The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
Hi Def media formats ruined gaming?
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I watch a Ton of DVD's and Blu-rays.
A ton.
I also try to play the best games that come out (Check Sig for Proof of my gaming)
Sony didn't do anything they haven't done before.
The PSOne played Music CD's.
The PS2 allowed us to watch DVD's.
The PS3 allows us to watch Blu-Ray's and Upscales our regular DVD's into HD.
woah.. a dude in rank 1 is saying this GREAT
for me, its better to have a multimedia console, so i wont buy a dvd player/ bluray player/HD player
as you can see the Wii cant play movies -.-
the price, well, yea, because making that thing you call "game console" expensive would make no1 buy it
dont take me wrong, i have a wii, and i dont like it, thats all, the 360 and the PS3 are better multimedia consoles, and have better graphics, and much better if you play it on a HDTV, the wii doesnt....
dont start say ing "OO THE CONTROLS ARE REVOLUTIONARIES W00T W00t!!!!!" seriously, thats the only thing you fanboys stand on, the only "good thing" about the wii
I watch a Ton of DVD's and Blu-rays.
A ton.I also try to play the best games that come out (Check Sig for Proof of my gaming)
Sony didn't do anything they haven't done before.
The PSOne played Music CD's.The PS2 allowed us to watch DVD's.
The PS3 allows us to watch Blu-Ray's and Upscales our regular DVD's into HD.
SolidTy
That's fine, I watch a lot of movies too but the majority of GAMERS do not care about hi-def movies in their gaming system, and the sales of the Wii are proof of that (keep in mind I don't even like thw Wii). Sony did'nt do anything they have'nt done before, but the people who are willing pay $600 for something that does'nt apply to gaming (in a gaming console) are minimul.
Uh, what happened to MS for supporting HD-DVD? A couple of people got screwed, but they didn't lose anything :?
Uh, explain how hi def ruined gaming again?Videodogg
For Sony they included Blu-ray which was too expensive for their fanbase.
For Xbox they supported a losing format.
The systems would have BOTH been much better off if they only focusing on gaming.
Get it?
The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
ikillchildr3n
Well MS didn't really care about HD-DVD which is why they didn't put much time and effort into it.
The only reason they did't support Blu-Ray is because Sony didn't let them use proprietary M$ software on BD Movies.
So MS tried to fight back with HD-DVD. (Sort of like the wma vs mp3 battle)
I watch movies on my PS3. Sony put a lot of money in developing Blu-Ray and so they NEEDED it to win.
PS3 was probably the biggest factor in helping Blu-Ray win. Go ahead a buy a blu-ray player chances are they're more expensive than the PS3 (Actually I don't know anymore, but the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player for A LONG TIME)
Sony doesn't only care about gaming, unless you haven't realised theres more to Sony than the Computer Entertainment division just like there is more the M$ than the Xbox division. Sony needed profits off blu-ray, so putting it into the PS3 got them those profits.
I watch a Ton of DVD's and Blu-rays.
A ton.I also try to play the best games that come out (Check Sig for Proof of my gaming)
Sony didn't do anything they haven't done before.
The PSOne played Music CD's.The PS2 allowed us to watch DVD's.
The PS3 allows us to watch Blu-Ray's and Upscales our regular DVD's into HD.
SolidTy
I'm not sure if it was true but I remember hearing the PS2 was also a (fairly) large pushing factor in making DVD standard.
PS3 did the same with Blu-Ray.
[QUOTE="Videodogg"]Uh, explain how hi def ruined gaming again?ikillchildr3n
For Sony they included Blu-ray which was too expensive for their fanbase.
For Xbox they supported a losing format.
The systems would have BOTH been much better off if they only focusing on gaming.
Get it?
PS3 and 360 are moderatley expensive, but not THAT expensive.
What the heck did hddvd have to do with games?
and still....how did it ruin games ?
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]Uh, explain how hi def ruined gaming again?Videodogg
For Sony they included Blu-ray which was too expensive for their fanbase.
For Xbox they supported a losing format.
The systems would have BOTH been much better off if they only focusing on gaming.
Get it?
PS3 and 360 are moderatley expensive, but not THAT expensive.
What the heck did hddvd have to do with games?
and still....how did it ruin games ?
Dude read the title again, I said it ruined gaming in general (particularly nex gen sales and jaded fans), not the games themselves.
u....dude, sry if i pop your wii fanboy bubble, but the hddvd is OPTIONAL!!! on the 360, you can buy it if you want
the sony blu ray is getting terrain so sooner or later you will have to buy a blu ray player, thats what happen with dvds players, there where more/less expensives, now theyre cheap
and no, wii isnt winning, just look at wii fit -.- here
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26470197&msg_id=303050093#303050093
and no, wii has like 3 or 4 serious games, others are kid oriented
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
fluxorator
read fanboy, read
Well MS didn't really care about HD-DVD which is why they didn't put much time and effort into it.
The only reason they did't support Blu-Ray is because Sony didn't let them use proprietary M$ software on BD Movies.
So MS tried to fight back with HD-DVD. (Sort of like the wma vs mp3 battle)
I watch movies on my PS3. Sony put a lot of money in developing Blu-Ray and so they NEEDED it to win.
PS3 was probably the biggest factor in helping Blu-Ray win. Go ahead a buy a blu-ray player chances are they're more expensive than the PS3 (Actually I don't know anymore, but the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player for A LONG TIME)
Sony doesn't only care about gaming, unless you haven't realised theres more to Sony than the Computer Entertainment division just like there is more the M$ than the Xbox division. Sony needed profits off blu-ray, so putting it into the PS3 got them those profits.
u....dude, sry if i pop your wii fanboy bubble, but the hddvd is OPTIONAL!!! on the 360, you can buy it if you want
the sony blu ray is getting terrain so sooner or later you will have to buy a blu ray player, thats what happen with dvds players, there where more/less expensives, now theyre cheap
and no, wii isnt winning, just look at wii fit -.- here
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26470197&msg_id=303050093#303050093
and no, wii has like 3 or 4 serious games, others are kid oriented
12345yon
No s**t it's optional, you missed my point. They made a bad decision in supporting any HD format, PERIOD. Xbox lost millions trying to compete with blu-ray when it's obviously not that important to gamers.
I watch a Ton of DVD's and Blu-rays.
A ton.I also try to play the best games that come out (Check Sig for Proof of my gaming)
Sony didn't do anything they haven't done before.
The PSOne played Music CD's.The PS2 allowed us to watch DVD's.
The PS3 allows us to watch Blu-Ray's and Upscales our regular DVD's into HD.
SolidTy
Yeah, but CD and DVD were long established formats by the time the PS1 and PS2, respectively, came along. So they didn't add a lot to the cost of production... at least not compared to blu-ray.
Also another problem with exploiting such a new technology so early is drive speed... though 6x blu-ray drives exist now, the PS3 is stuck with a 2x. Now others have argued how a 12x DVD drive is faster than a 2x blu-ray, but I think the more important point is that even if the two were equal in speed, all that extra content (such as uncompressed audio) that "would not be possible without blu-ray" is still going to take awhile to stream off of the disc. Hence mandatory installs in games like MGS4.
[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
12345yon
read fanboy, read
Well MS didn't really care about HD-DVD which is why they didn't put much time and effort into it.
The only reason they did't support Blu-Ray is because Sony didn't let them use proprietary M$ software on BD Movies.
So MS tried to fight back with HD-DVD. (Sort of like the wma vs mp3 battle)
I watch movies on my PS3. Sony put a lot of money in developing Blu-Ray and so they NEEDED it to win.
PS3 was probably the biggest factor in helping Blu-Ray win. Go ahead a buy a blu-ray player chances are they're more expensive than the PS3 (Actually I don't know anymore, but the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player for A LONG TIME)
Sony doesn't only care about gaming, unless you haven't realised theres more to Sony than the Computer Entertainment division just like there is more the M$ than the Xbox division. Sony needed profits off blu-ray, so putting it into the PS3 got them those profits.
I understand how expensive stand alond blu-ray is but in the VIDEO GAME industry no one cares about blu-ray. People just wan't to play games on their GAME consoles (see Wii) sales).
Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.
Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.
Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.
So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)
Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.
How is Hi-Def killing gaming?
Hi-Def formats have more space than your average disk (HD DVD being 9GB and Blu Ray being 25 or 50 GB)
More space means more things the game developers to put on
More Stuff is better because they add stuff to the game. Full Fledged Game> Mini-Game Central
[QUOTE="12345yon"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
ikillchildr3n
read fanboy, read
Well MS didn't really care about HD-DVD which is why they didn't put much time and effort into it.
The only reason they did't support Blu-Ray is because Sony didn't let them use proprietary M$ software on BD Movies.
So MS tried to fight back with HD-DVD. (Sort of like the wma vs mp3 battle)
I watch movies on my PS3. Sony put a lot of money in developing Blu-Ray and so they NEEDED it to win.
PS3 was probably the biggest factor in helping Blu-Ray win. Go ahead a buy a blu-ray player chances are they're more expensive than the PS3 (Actually I don't know anymore, but the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player for A LONG TIME)
Sony doesn't only care about gaming, unless you haven't realised theres more to Sony than the Computer Entertainment division just like there is more the M$ than the Xbox division. Sony needed profits off blu-ray, so putting it into the PS3 got them those profits.
I understand how expensive stand alond blu-ray is but in the VIDEO GAME industry no one cares about blu-ray. People just wan't to play games on their GAME consoles (see Wii) sales).
But you have to understand that just because there are different divisions of Sony and MS they don't share common interests. Sony wanted money back from what they spent on Blu-Ray, PS3 was their oportunity. MS wanted money from HD-DVD, 360 was its oportunity. Just because its a consoles doesn't mean it can only appeal to gamers, if that were so the companies would be doing the most stupid thing!
Think about back in 1980's and 1990's where nearly everyone had Macs, Windows and PCs only appealed to Offices, not home users. When MS decided it wanted to move onto home users, it largely created a whole new market and marketed its product to two different audiences. MS is still living off royalties from that era. It was an EXTREMELY good buisness move.
Sony and MS are big corporations, if they see a way to make money and continue making money they'll do it.
Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.fluxorator
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
12345yon
read fanboy, read
Well MS didn't really care about HD-DVD which is why they didn't put much time and effort into it.
The only reason they did't support Blu-Ray is because Sony didn't let them use proprietary M$ software on BD Movies.
So MS tried to fight back with HD-DVD. (Sort of like the wma vs mp3 battle)
I watch movies on my PS3. Sony put a lot of money in developing Blu-Ray and so they NEEDED it to win.
PS3 was probably the biggest factor in helping Blu-Ray win. Go ahead a buy a blu-ray player chances are they're more expensive than the PS3 (Actually I don't know anymore, but the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player for A LONG TIME)
Sony doesn't only care about gaming, unless you haven't realised theres more to Sony than the Computer Entertainment division just like there is more the M$ than the Xbox division. Sony needed profits off blu-ray, so putting it into the PS3 got them those profits.
Oh and personally I don't see how that makes me a fanboy?
Just because i have a PS3 and watch Blu-Ray movies?
I didn't bash HD-DVD without reason, nor the 360.
I was just saying Sony needed money back from Blu-Ray and saw the PS3 as the perfect way of doing so.
Which it was.
Just remember buisness perspectives aren't always aligned to that of customers.
[QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.ikillchildr3n
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.fluxorator
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?
[QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.ikillchildr3n
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Also why is it too soon?
They say people aren't ready for the move to HD, well they might not be but don't you think the PS3 is helping them move to HD? The fact is, in Sony's eyes, the PS3 serves more of a purpose than just appealing to gamers. It already had beaten HD-DVD out of the market and if it doesn't standardize Blu-Ray by the end of its lifecycle (Which it probably will) It will give Sony a huge platform to launch a new product off.
[QUOTE="12345yon"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
fluxorator
read fanboy, read
Well MS didn't really care about HD-DVD which is why they didn't put much time and effort into it.
The only reason they did't support Blu-Ray is because Sony didn't let them use proprietary M$ software on BD Movies.
So MS tried to fight back with HD-DVD. (Sort of like the wma vs mp3 battle)
I watch movies on my PS3. Sony put a lot of money in developing Blu-Ray and so they NEEDED it to win.
PS3 was probably the biggest factor in helping Blu-Ray win. Go ahead a buy a blu-ray player chances are they're more expensive than the PS3 (Actually I don't know anymore, but the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player for A LONG TIME)
Sony doesn't only care about gaming, unless you haven't realised theres more to Sony than the Computer Entertainment division just like there is more the M$ than the Xbox division. Sony needed profits off blu-ray, so putting it into the PS3 got them those profits.
Oh and personally I don't see how that makes me a fanboy?
Just because i have a PS3 and watch Blu-Ray movies?
I didn't bash HD-DVD without reason, nor the 360.
I was just saying Sony needed money back from Blu-Ray and saw the PS3 as the perfect way of doing so.
Which it was.
Just remember buisness perspectives aren't always aligned to that of customers.
im not saying you a fanboy -.- it was to the guy who make the thread -.-
[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.ikillchildr3n
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?
Sorry? But ummm just because a company is in the video game industry doesn't mean its only interest is that?
Are you saying MS gave up on Vista as soon as they came up with the 360? The PS3 appeals to gamers, and 'Early Adopters' of HD Media. Even if it failed hugely as a console and only sold 2 million it would have served its other purpose.
[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="12345yon"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
12345yon
read fanboy, read
Well MS didn't really care about HD-DVD which is why they didn't put much time and effort into it.
The only reason they did't support Blu-Ray is because Sony didn't let them use proprietary M$ software on BD Movies.
So MS tried to fight back with HD-DVD. (Sort of like the wma vs mp3 battle)
I watch movies on my PS3. Sony put a lot of money in developing Blu-Ray and so they NEEDED it to win.
PS3 was probably the biggest factor in helping Blu-Ray win. Go ahead a buy a blu-ray player chances are they're more expensive than the PS3 (Actually I don't know anymore, but the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player for A LONG TIME)
Sony doesn't only care about gaming, unless you haven't realised theres more to Sony than the Computer Entertainment division just like there is more the M$ than the Xbox division. Sony needed profits off blu-ray, so putting it into the PS3 got them those profits.
Oh and personally I don't see how that makes me a fanboy?
Just because i have a PS3 and watch Blu-Ray movies?
I didn't bash HD-DVD without reason, nor the 360.
I was just saying Sony needed money back from Blu-Ray and saw the PS3 as the perfect way of doing so.
Which it was.
Just remember buisness perspectives aren't always aligned to that of customers.
im not saying you a fanboy -.- it was to the guy who make the thread -.-
Oh, sorry man.
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.fluxorator
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Also why is it too soon?
They say people aren't ready for the move to HD, well they might not be but don't you think the PS3 is helping them move to HD? The fact is, in Sony's eyes, the PS3 serves more of a purpose than just appealing to gamers. It already had beaten HD-DVD out of the market and if it doesn't standardize Blu-Ray by the end of its lifecycle (Which it probably will) It will give Sony a huge platform to launch a new product off.
Who cares if they standardize blu-ray? Standardizing something is not going to sell consoles .
[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.ikillchildr3n
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Also why is it too soon?
They say people aren't ready for the move to HD, well they might not be but don't you think the PS3 is helping them move to HD? The fact is, in Sony's eyes, the PS3 serves more of a purpose than just appealing to gamers. It already had beaten HD-DVD out of the market and if it doesn't standardize Blu-Ray by the end of its lifecycle (Which it probably will) It will give Sony a huge platform to launch a new product off.
Who cares if they standardize blu-ray? Standardizing something is not going to sell consoles .
After all that you still don't realise my point.
If/When (since there is no longer any competition for it) Blu-Ray gets standardized who gets royalties from every single disc made? Sony. Why? They designed it.
Blu-Ray can make a lot more money for Sony than the PS3 or any gaming console could.
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.fluxorator
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?
Sorry? But ummm just because a company is in the video game industry doesn't mean its only interest is that?
Are you saying MS gave up on Vista as soon as they came up with the 360? The PS3 appeals to gamers, and 'Early Adopters' of HD Media. Even if it failed hugely as a console and only sold 2 million it would have served its other purpose.
No Microsoft did'nt give up on Vista just like Sony did'nt give up on CD/DVD players. They kept them seperate. By that logic Sony should realease a system with everything they manufacture for $2000? Would that sell? NO!
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.fluxorator
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Also why is it too soon?
They say people aren't ready for the move to HD, well they might not be but don't you think the PS3 is helping them move to HD? The fact is, in Sony's eyes, the PS3 serves more of a purpose than just appealing to gamers. It already had beaten HD-DVD out of the market and if it doesn't standardize Blu-Ray by the end of its lifecycle (Which it probably will) It will give Sony a huge platform to launch a new product off.
Who cares if they standardize blu-ray? Standardizing something is not going to sell consoles .
After all that you still don't realise my point.
If/When (since there is no longer any competition for it) Blu-Ray gets standardized who gets royalties from every single disc made? Sony. Why? They designed it.
Blu-Ray can make a lot more money for Sony than the PS3 or any gaming console could.
Ok you're right I was missing you're point, but I still don't agree. Sonys in it for the long run I get it, but they are losing the current nex gen war because of it and dissapointing a lot of fans by doing so.
[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.ikillchildr3n
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?
Sorry? But ummm just because a company is in the video game industry doesn't mean its only interest is that?
Are you saying MS gave up on Vista as soon as they came up with the 360? The PS3 appeals to gamers, and 'Early Adopters' of HD Media. Even if it failed hugely as a console and only sold 2 million it would have served its other purpose.
No Microsoft did'nt give up on Vista just like Sony did'nt give up on CD/DVD players. They kept them seperate. By that logic Sony should realease a system with everything they manufacture for $2000? Would that sell? NO!
I know it wouldnt
But a gaming system with Blu-Ray would sell.
And it has.
Ehh...that's my only comment. :P
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.fluxorator
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?
Sorry? But ummm just because a company is in the video game industry doesn't mean its only interest is that?
Are you saying MS gave up on Vista as soon as they came up with the 360? The PS3 appeals to gamers, and 'Early Adopters' of HD Media. Even if it failed hugely as a console and only sold 2 million it would have served its other purpose.
No Microsoft did'nt give up on Vista just like Sony did'nt give up on CD/DVD players. They kept them seperate. By that logic Sony should realease a system with everything they manufacture for $2000? Would that sell? NO!
I know it wouldnt
But a gaming system with Blu-Ray would sell.
And it has.
C'mon man everyone knows the PS3 is'nt selling too well, don't pretend it is, because it completely devoids you're opinions.
[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.ikillchildr3n
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?
Sorry? But ummm just because a company is in the video game industry doesn't mean its only interest is that?
Are you saying MS gave up on Vista as soon as they came up with the 360? The PS3 appeals to gamers, and 'Early Adopters' of HD Media. Even if it failed hugely as a console and only sold 2 million it would have served its other purpose.
No Microsoft did'nt give up on Vista just like Sony did'nt give up on CD/DVD players. They kept them seperate. By that logic Sony should realease a system with everything they manufacture for $2000? Would that sell? NO!
I know it wouldnt
But a gaming system with Blu-Ray would sell.
And it has.
C'mon man everyone knows the PS3 is'nt selling too well, don't pretend it is, because it completely devoids you're opinions.
Actually in terms of numbers, it is coming last. Doesn't mean its not selling however.
Also it's outselling the 360 (?) Last time I checked at least...
But thats not the point, the fact is it made up for more than 95% of Blu-Ray players in 2007. So it is selling, maybe not as a console, but as a way of standardizing Blu-Ray it seems to be working well.
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.
Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.
Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.
MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)
So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).
Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.fluxorator
Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?
Sorry? But ummm just because a company is in the video game industry doesn't mean its only interest is that?
Are you saying MS gave up on Vista as soon as they came up with the 360? The PS3 appeals to gamers, and 'Early Adopters' of HD Media. Even if it failed hugely as a console and only sold 2 million it would have served its other purpose.
No Microsoft did'nt give up on Vista just like Sony did'nt give up on CD/DVD players. They kept them seperate. By that logic Sony should realease a system with everything they manufacture for $2000? Would that sell? NO!
I know it wouldnt
But a gaming system with Blu-Ray would sell.
And it has.
C'mon man everyone knows the PS3 is'nt selling too well, don't pretend it is, because it completely devoids you're opinions.
Actually in terms of numbers, it is coming last. Doesn't mean its not selling however.
Also it's outselling the 360 (?) Last time I checked at least...
But thats not the point, the fact is it made up for more than 95% of Blu-Ray players in 2007. So it is selling, maybe not as a console, but as a way of standardizing Blu-Ray it seems to be working well.
Dude it sold well one month because of 1 big exclusive....their BIGGEST exclusive that will ever have I might add. It's not enough to make up for the poor marketing decisions they made on release.
[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.
ikillchildr3n
Are you daft?
Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?
A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?
Sorry? But ummm just because a company is in the video game industry doesn't mean its only interest is that?
Are you saying MS gave up on Vista as soon as they came up with the 360? The PS3 appeals to gamers, and 'Early Adopters' of HD Media. Even if it failed hugely as a console and only sold 2 million it would have served its other purpose.
No Microsoft did'nt give up on Vista just like Sony did'nt give up on CD/DVD players. They kept them seperate. By that logic Sony should realease a system with everything they manufacture for $2000? Would that sell? NO!
I know it wouldnt
But a gaming system with Blu-Ray would sell.
And it has.
C'mon man everyone knows the PS3 is'nt selling too well, don't pretend it is, because it completely devoids you're opinions.
Actually in terms of numbers, it is coming last. Doesn't mean its not selling however.
Also it's outselling the 360 (?) Last time I checked at least...
But thats not the point, the fact is it made up for more than 95% of Blu-Ray players in 2007. So it is selling, maybe not as a console, but as a way of standardizing Blu-Ray it seems to be working well.
Dude it sold well one month because of 1 big exclusive....their BIGGEST exclusive that will ever have I might add. It's not enough to make up for the poor marketing decisions they made on release.
No, acutally i distinctly remember it outselling the 360 early this year. Before MGS4 if that is what you're talking about.
As a gamer for a long time. I just got a PS3 and now i own all 3 systems. I actually enjoy the Wii alot, but it goes through spurts for me. Ill play for a few days alot then stop for a few weeks, but again with work and the fact people dont come over much anymore due to our ages, its party sytem ways gets less use. I find myself more a PC gamer nowadays, but i do enjoy 360 alot. I really like the PS3 alot since i got it. Just bought Uncharted and i find myself using it for movies and blu rays also.
I got it for MGS4 of course. 360 for me is still my gamign system this gen. Anyways with the Wii people need to realize, alot of non gamers are buying it. Sales are nice and but i know about say 8 people personally who are girls and a few guys that hate gaming, really just had a Nintendo (NES) growing up for Mario brothers or for the family system. Its the same with the Wii, alot of people are getting them just for Wii Sports only. One couple i know wanted a Wii just to use when they have company over for Wii Sports. Now for the hardcore gamers they hate that and its understandable. Gaming is about gaming.
As a nintendo fan since the 80's who still feels Super Nintendo is the greatest system of all time, i do enjoy the Wii, but then again i havent been that into Nintendo since the N64 days. I will always buy Nintendo just cause there part of gaming. I miss Sega though.
As a gamer for a long time. I just got a PS3 and now i own all 3 systems. I actually enjoy the Wii alot, but it goes through spurts for me. Ill play for a few days alot then stop for a few weeks, but again with work and the fact people dont come over much anymore due to our ages, its party sytem ways gets less use. I find myself more a PC gamer nowadays, but i do enjoy 360 alot. I really like the PS3 alot since i got it. Just bought Uncharted and i find myself using it for movies and blu rays also.
I got it for MGS4 of course. 360 for me is still my gamign system this gen. Anyways with the Wii people need to realize, alot of non gamers are buying it. Sales are nice and but i know about say 8 people personally who are girls and a few guys that hate gaming, really just had a Nintendo (NES) growing up for Mario brothers or for the family system. Its the same with the Wii, alot of people are getting them just for Wii Sports only. One couple i know wanted a Wii just to use when they have company over for Wii Sports. Now for the hardcore gamers they hate that and its understandable. Gaming is about gaming.
As a nintendo fan since the 80's who still feels Super Nintendo is the greatest system of all time, i do enjoy the Wii, but then again i havent been that into Nintendo since the N64 days. I will always buy Nintendo just cause there part of gaming. I miss Sega though.
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Don't get me wrong, I am NOT a Wii fanboy. Don't own one, don't plan on it. They just made the right decisions in focusing they're game console on gaming and a low price tag. It just bothers me that people can't see that gaming consoles are already expensive enough to gamers, nevermind throwing in a Blu-ray player and other trinkets that are not important to gamers.
[QUOTE="Sumotaii"]As a gamer for a long time. I just got a PS3 and now i own all 3 systems. I actually enjoy the Wii alot, but it goes through spurts for me. Ill play for a few days alot then stop for a few weeks, but again with work and the fact people dont come over much anymore due to our ages, its party sytem ways gets less use. I find myself more a PC gamer nowadays, but i do enjoy 360 alot. I really like the PS3 alot since i got it. Just bought Uncharted and i find myself using it for movies and blu rays also.
I got it for MGS4 of course. 360 for me is still my gamign system this gen. Anyways with the Wii people need to realize, alot of non gamers are buying it. Sales are nice and but i know about say 8 people personally who are girls and a few guys that hate gaming, really just had a Nintendo (NES) growing up for Mario brothers or for the family system. Its the same with the Wii, alot of people are getting them just for Wii Sports only. One couple i know wanted a Wii just to use when they have company over for Wii Sports. Now for the hardcore gamers they hate that and its understandable. Gaming is about gaming.
As a nintendo fan since the 80's who still feels Super Nintendo is the greatest system of all time, i do enjoy the Wii, but then again i havent been that into Nintendo since the N64 days. I will always buy Nintendo just cause there part of gaming. I miss Sega though.
ikillchildr3n
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT a Wii fanboy. Don't own one, don't plan on it. They just made the right decisions in focusing they're game console on gaming and a low price tag. It just bothers me that people can't see that gaming consoles are already expensive enough to gamers, nevermind throwing in a Blu-ray player and other trinkets that are not important to gamers.
You realise though its mostly just a whole new market? Who would usually be playing Sims 2 on their PCs
They have ruined plug-n-play console gaming. Console gaming is taking far too much from the PC experience and not living up to its roots in "plug it in and play it." Now we have hard drives, installs, updates, downloadable content, online... ugh...foxhound_fox
I absolutely agree. As much as I love the stuff you mentioned I can see it really turning off casual gamers, who unarguably take up most of the market (not including myself).
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I absolutely agree. As much as I love the stuff you mentioned I can see it really turning off casual gamers, who unarguably take up most of the market (not including myself).ikillchildr3n
It has nothing to do with "turning off casual gamers." It has everything to do with ruining what console gaming IS. You sit down in a room either by yourself or with some friends, plug in the console, fire up a game and have some fun. No tricks, no hassles, just plug and play. THAT is console gaming, or at least, what it used to be before Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo thought it would be cool to bring features from the PC gaming experience over into the console experience and try to make them more similar.
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Riverwolf007
Brains= Good
Consoles trying to be hi-def dvd players= Bad
[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]I absolutely agree. As much as I love the stuff you mentioned I can see it really turning off casual gamers, who unarguably take up most of the market (not including myself).foxhound_fox
It has nothing to do with "turning off casual gamers." It has everything to do with ruining what console gaming IS. You sit down in a room either by yourself or with some friends, plug in the console, fire up a game and have some fun. No tricks, no hassles, just plug and play. THAT is console gaming, or at least, what it used to be before Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo thought it would be cool to bring features from the PC gaming experience over into the console experience and try to make them more similar.
I would have agreed with you a couple of months ago but I am currently addicted to everything online gaming has to offer.. I used fell the exact same way, but the abilty to download anything from games to movies to additional content is a great feature. For old-school gamers like myself you have the Arcade which is full of games the way they used to be. Not to mention a lot of stuff is free on there and online gaming is extremely addicting. Like I said a couple of monthes ago I denounced the whole idea, but I have swallowed my words. My biggest complaint is consoles trying to "standardize" a DVD format for long term profits, thus making the gamers suffer in the short run.
I would have agreed with you a couple of months ago but I am currently addicted to everything online gaming has to offer.. I used fell the exact same way, but the abilty to download anything from games to movies to additional content is a great feature. For old-school gamers like myself you have the Arcade which is full of games the way they used to be. Not to mention a lot of stuff is free on there and online gaming is extremely addicting. Like I said a couple of monthes ago I denounced the whole idea, but I have swallowed my words. My biggest complaint is consoles trying to "standardize" a DVD format for long term profits, thus making the gamers suffer in the short run.ikillchildr3n
Oh, online gaming would be fine if it actually were just like PC online, with dedicated low-latency servers and browsers that actually allow you to set filters on what kind of game you want to play.
I don't care about console gaming going online, I care about the focus being pushed from singleplayer experiences to solely multiplayer experiences and us console gamers who are fans of the singleplayer experience getting left out because online is "in."
What the console manufacturers need to do is create a console experience that allows for PC features like online, internet communication and download services but not destroy the consoles "plug-n-play" heritage in making for a simple gaming experience that doesn't make you install or update anything just so you can even PLAY it and keep it from becoming PC gaming. Both console gaming and PC gaming are separate experiences, and as a console and PC gamer I hope that they stay separate.
The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.
ikillchildr3n
I use my 360 as a DVD player all the time and the blu-ray player on the PS3 is the most practical and the best one on the market.
I don't buy consoles purely for gaming anymore either. I say "bring on the extra features please!"
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