Hironobu Sakaguchi Vs. Shigeru Miyamoto's Game Wise Vs. FF7 Vs. Super Mario 64.

Both Of them are amazing game designers.

Sakaguchi made rpgs mainsream with which some call final fantasy 7 the best of the series and the best game of all time.FF7 was also the first 3d rpg on the Playstation. Sakaguchi made The best rpg chronotrigger and he also made Final Fantasy up to 8 i beileve and he started a new series called Kingdom Hearts, which also gave off critical success. Sakaguchi also made some other rpgs xenogears and chronocross and final fantasy tatics. Sakaguchi has done so much for the jrpg genre, he made square and now has formed his own company mistwalker with highly anticipated titles Blue Dragon which was a mild success in japan, and he also is making lost odyssey, and cry on for the 360. I think Sakaguchi should continue to make great rpgs and continue to support the 360.

Miyamot, hmm were do i start well he also created two of of games greatest creations. Mario and of course Zelda.Mario 64 is what platforming is and should be it had awesome gameplay and music , the game mechanics were flawless. He then made Zelda and the Ocarina of time which some call the greatest game of alltime. Zelda and Mario continued to be huge games creating sequals on handhelds and consoles.

Both creators were not only great in thier prime, they still are some of the best developers today . Both creating new franchises and making people happy i have the utmost repspect for both.Both creators have AAAA and many AAA's under there belt thats a sign of greatness.

Miyamoto. He didn't just make RPGs popular in the west (Dragon Quest did it in Japan LONG before FF7 by the way), he made VIDEO GAMES popular. And he continues to develop some of the best and most renowned video games ever.

It's not even close, or an accurate comparison.

Miyamoto. He didn't just make RPGs popular in the west (Dragon Quest did it in Japan LONG before FF7 by the way), he made VIDEO GAMES popular. And he continues to develop some of the best and most renowned video games ever.

It's not even close, or an accurate comparison.

Jagazaar

Do you mean sakaguchi.

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"]

Miyamoto. He didn't just make RPGs popular in the west (Dragon Quest did it in Japan LONG before FF7 by the way), he made VIDEO GAMES popular. And he continues to develop some of the best and most renowned video games ever.

It's not even close, or an accurate comparison.

rpgfan360

Do you mean sakaguchi.

what he means is that there was miyamoto before sakaguchi

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"]

Miyamoto. He didn't just make RPGs popular in the west (Dragon Quest did it in Japan LONG before FF7 by the way), he made VIDEO GAMES popular. And he continues to develop some of the best and most renowned video games ever.

It's not even close, or an accurate comparison.

rpgfan360

Do you mean sakaguchi.

Nah, I was implying that Miyamoto basically made games popular with the NES, Super Mario Bros, Zelda, etc, so I'd rate him much higher. Looking back, I probably didn't word my statement too well. Blargh.

Sakaguchi is good. But Miyamoto's franchises have withstood the test of time. They have transitioned from 2-D to 3-D better than almost every game with the exception of maybe a GTA. Miyamoto hasnt directed since Ocarina of Time. But did create Pikmin. He did create nintendogs i believe as well. His ability to make games is more diverse IMO. He has a platformer, a strategy, an action adventure.

He will be making his comeback with Mario Galaxy. and so far it looks like Miyamoto hasnt missed a beat. Miyamoto is THE Legend most game developers want to surpass or even tie.

Personally Will Wright will be his closest challenger in the next few years.jg4xchamp

did you know final fantasy was also a 2d game franchis and went into 3d, so yeah theyve withstood the test of time from all the remakes and ports and spinoffs.

sakaguchi was the producer of ff7, not the director so he didn't really make ff7, and again he was only the supervisor for chrono trigger, so with that said easily Shigerusuperartan

There have been plentyof games Miyamoto only "supervises" but he still gets the credit for them.

Sakaguchi made the FF series and the Chrono series 'nuff said.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Sakaguchi is good. But Miyamoto's franchises have withstood the test of time. They have transitioned from 2-D to 3-D better than almost every game with the exception of maybe a GTA. Miyamoto hasnt directed since Ocarina of Time. But did create Pikmin. He did create nintendogs i believe as well. His ability to make games is more diverse IMO. He has a platformer, a strategy, an action adventure.

He will be making his comeback with Mario Galaxy. and so far it looks like Miyamoto hasnt missed a beat. Miyamoto is THE Legend most game developers want to surpass or even tie.

Personally Will Wright will be his closest challenger in the next few years.rpgfan360

did you know final fantasy was also a 2d game franchis and went into 3d, so yeah theyve withstood the test of time from all the remakes and ports and spinoffs.

the 3d aspect of FF was not central to the gameplay. at first it wasn't even really 3d. it was a 3d character moving on a 2d background.

It's not a good comparison at all; that would be like comparing Resident Evil 4 to Animal Crossing.

Hideo Kojima:)

This was the better game out of all three. imo

Hideo Kojima:)

This was the better game out of all three. imo

Mfals

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Sakaguchi is good. But Miyamoto's franchises have withstood the test of time. They have transitioned from 2-D to 3-D better than almost every game with the exception of maybe a GTA. Miyamoto hasnt directed since Ocarina of Time. But did create Pikmin. He did create nintendogs i believe as well. His ability to make games is more diverse IMO. He has a platformer, a strategy, an action adventure.

He will be making his comeback with Mario Galaxy. and so far it looks like Miyamoto hasnt missed a beat. Miyamoto is THE Legend most game developers want to surpass or even tie.

Personally Will Wright will be his closest challenger in the next few years.rpgfan360

did you know final fantasy was also a 2d game franchis and went into 3d, so yeah theyve withstood the test of time from all the remakes and ports and spinoffs.

rpgfan250: 3-D has not affected the gameplay; you could still make the game 2-D and it would play the same.

jg4xchamp: Miyamoto did not direct Ocarina of Time, he produced it.

[QUOTE="rpgfan360"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Sakaguchi is good. But Miyamoto's franchises have withstood the test of time. They have transitioned from 2-D to 3-D better than almost every game with the exception of maybe a GTA. Miyamoto hasnt directed since Ocarina of Time. But did create Pikmin. He did create nintendogs i believe as well. His ability to make games is more diverse IMO. He has a platformer, a strategy, an action adventure.

He will be making his comeback with Mario Galaxy. and so far it looks like Miyamoto hasnt missed a beat. Miyamoto is THE Legend most game developers want to surpass or even tie.

Personally Will Wright will be his closest challenger in the next few years.-The-G-Man-

did you know final fantasy was also a 2d game franchis and went into 3d, so yeah theyve withstood the test of time from all the remakes and ports and spinoffs.

rpgfan250: 3-D has not affected the gameplay; you could still make the game 2-D and it would play the same.

Don't you think what your saying is a big far-fetched? Look at FFXII, FFXIII, even FFXI.

[QUOTE="rpgfan360"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Sakaguchi is good. But Miyamoto's franchises have withstood the test of time. They have transitioned from 2-D to 3-D better than almost every game with the exception of maybe a GTA. Miyamoto hasnt directed since Ocarina of Time. But did create Pikmin. He did create nintendogs i believe as well. His ability to make games is more diverse IMO. He has a platformer, a strategy, an action adventure.

He will be making his comeback with Mario Galaxy. and so far it looks like Miyamoto hasnt missed a beat. Miyamoto is THE Legend most game developers want to surpass or even tie.

Personally Will Wright will be his closest challenger in the next few years.-The-G-Man-

did you know final fantasy was also a 2d game franchis and went into 3d, so yeah theyve withstood the test of time from all the remakes and ports and spinoffs.

rpgfan250: 3-D has not affected the gameplay; you could still make the game 2-D and it would play the same.

jg4xchamp: Miyamoto did not direct Ocarina of Time, he produced it.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="rpgfan360"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Sakaguchi is good. But Miyamoto's franchises have withstood the test of time. They have transitioned from 2-D to 3-D better than almost every game with the exception of maybe a GTA. Miyamoto hasnt directed since Ocarina of Time. But did create Pikmin. He did create nintendogs i believe as well. His ability to make games is more diverse IMO. He has a platformer, a strategy, an action adventure.

He will be making his comeback with Mario Galaxy. and so far it looks like Miyamoto hasnt missed a beat. Miyamoto is THE Legend most game developers want to surpass or even tie.

Personally Will Wright will be his closest challenger in the next few years.solidte

did you know final fantasy was also a 2d game franchis and went into 3d, so yeah theyve withstood the test of time from all the remakes and ports and spinoffs.

rpgfan250: 3-D has not affected the gameplay; you could still make the game 2-D and it would play the same.

Don't you think what your saying is a big far-fetched? Look at FFXII, FFXIII, even FFXI.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="rpgfan360"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Sakaguchi is good. But Miyamoto's franchises have withstood the test of time. They have transitioned from 2-D to 3-D better than almost every game with the exception of maybe a GTA. Miyamoto hasnt directed since Ocarina of Time. But did create Pikmin. He did create nintendogs i believe as well. His ability to make games is more diverse IMO. He has a platformer, a strategy, an action adventure.

He will be making his comeback with Mario Galaxy. and so far it looks like Miyamoto hasnt missed a beat. Miyamoto is THE Legend most game developers want to surpass or even tie.

Personally Will Wright will be his closest challenger in the next few years.solidte

did you know final fantasy was also a 2d game franchis and went into 3d, so yeah theyve withstood the test of time from all the remakes and ports and spinoffs.

rpgfan250: 3-D has not affected the gameplay; you could still make the game 2-D and it would play the same.

Don't you think what your saying is a big far-fetched? Look at FFXII, FFXIII, even FFXI.

Change the graphics to 2-D and would it make a difference?

[QUOTE="solidte"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="rpgfan360"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Sakaguchi is good. But Miyamoto's franchises have withstood the test of time. They have transitioned from 2-D to 3-D better than almost every game with the exception of maybe a GTA. Miyamoto hasnt directed since Ocarina of Time. But did create Pikmin. He did create nintendogs i believe as well. His ability to make games is more diverse IMO. He has a platformer, a strategy, an action adventure.

He will be making his comeback with Mario Galaxy. and so far it looks like Miyamoto hasnt missed a beat. Miyamoto is THE Legend most game developers want to surpass or even tie.

Personally Will Wright will be his closest challenger in the next few years.-The-G-Man-

did you know final fantasy was also a 2d game franchis and went into 3d, so yeah theyve withstood the test of time from all the remakes and ports and spinoffs.

rpgfan250: 3-D has not affected the gameplay; you could still make the game 2-D and it would play the same.

Don't you think what your saying is a big far-fetched? Look at FFXII, FFXIII, even FFXI.

Change the graphics to 2-D and would it make a difference?

Yeah.

Yeah.solidte

Explain to me how any of it is impossible in 2-D.

Miyamoto beats everybody.

But "the gooch" is one of the greats

[QUOTE="solidte"]Yeah.-The-G-Man-

Explain to me how any of it is impossible in 2-D.

Uhm....lemme think, well i don't want to explain the battle system of those games because well i would have to write many paragraphs and then i would have to explain why they wouldn't work 100% in 2-D. Why don't you read some reviews, watch some gameplay footage. I'll give you a couple of tibits on why they won't play 100% as good as they would in 3-D if in 2-D

1. A more immersive experience

2. Online 2-D? Sure Everquest worked buuut....it just works better in a 3-D enviroment

3. The FFXIII director said the Active Battle System is impossible last gen so i am pretty sure it is impossible three generations ago.

4. Just check this out http://youtube.com/watch?v=yvyHcBzetrk

Did you see her twirling around shooting those dudes in the face, dodging left and right, kicking and punching?

Ocarina of Time and Zelda for that matter hold a special place in my games collection and heart.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

[QUOTE="solidte"]Yeah.solidte

Explain to me how any of it is impossible in 2-D.

Uhm....lemme think, well i don't want to explain the battle system of those games because well i would have to write many paragraphs and then i would have to explain why they wouldn't work 100% in 2-D. Why don't you read some reviews, watch some gameplay footage. I'll give you a couple of tibits on why they won't play 100% as good as they would in 3-D if in 2-D

1. A more immersive experience

2. Online 2-D? Sure Everquest worked buuut....it just works better in a 3-D enviroment

3. The FFXIII director said the Active Battle System is impossible last gen so i am pretty sure it is impossible three generations ago.

4. Just check this out http://youtube.com/watch?v=yvyHcBzetrk

Did you see her twirling around shooting those dudes in the face, dodging left and right, kicking and punching?

1: Gameplay would be the same. None of the Final Fantasy's battle or exploration systems would change in 2d.

2: There are tons of games that work just fine doing 2-D online. Diablo1/2, for example. You already mentioned Everquest. A trillion different Korean MMORPGS are 2D online and work just fine too.

3. Yeah, CGI videos wouldn't work on oldschool hardware, but if you made a 2D game on todays hardware, you could put in the CGI videos just fine.

4. That would be really easy to implement gameplay wise in a 2D atmosphere. It wouldn't look as flashy, but the same gameplay could be made.

What the Final Fantasy games have done is introduce another dimension of rendering. They render the third dimension, but you don't have any interaction with it. Other games put into 3d gives you the ability to interact in the third dimension. Adding another dimension, say in Mario, gives the platforming more depth. DMC is another example of interaction in the third dimension. An important part of the gameplay is Dante's ability to jump, sidestep, and move tworard and away from enemies. The game would not have the same depth when taking out a dimension. Both these games happen in 3-D space, while Final Fantasy takes place on a 2-D plane in a 3D world.

Anybody that says FF7 is one of the best games ever either hasn't played 6, or didn't play it till much much later.

FF6 has a ton more characters, more depth to their characters, and incentives to use all of them. Not to mention it has a better magic/ability system and much more evil antagonist.

Anyway, back to the point, Miyamoto has done more for games than pretty much everybody else in the industry.

according to wikipedia Shigeru Miyamoto directed Ocarina of time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time

I know is wikipedia but whatever

Miyamoto, hands down.

He is the most influential video game creator of all time.

Final Fantasy VII was just a carbon copy of VI. Nothing special about it at all.

And Shigeru Miyamoto has created far more AAA titles than Sakaguchi, so Shigsy gets my vote.

Shigeru Miyamoto,no contest.VGobbsesser

I concur.