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#1 killerkane246
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 http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

Oct. 27, 2000 | Whether or not Sony was sincere in its claim that a supply crisis led it to cut its initial shipments of the PlayStation2 to just 500,000 units, there's little question that the corporation was successful in the arena of hype marketing. Lines of obsessed PlayStation fans were a news staple Wednesday. But is the so-called superconsole really worth staying up all night for?

No. The PS2 is not the revolutionary device that Sony's marketing department would have you believe. Don't get me wrong; it's definitely the most powerful video-game machine on the planet right now. But that's not enough.


The PS2's stats are certainly impressive; it's got hardware power to burn. But so what? There's just not much software available that can take advantage of it. The games that are being released at the same time as the system don't rise much, if at all, above games available for Sega's rival (and cheaper) Dreamcast video-game system.

And don't expect a huge number of quality games anytime soon. Sony has reversed positions with Sega and stupidly released a system that is in many ways a game developer's nightmare. Sega, learning from its Saturn debacle, went out of its way to make the Dreamcast easy to develop games for. But Sony, intoxicated with success from the first PlayStation, forgot the first rule of the video-game industry: Software sells systems. If you make it hard for developers to produce good games then there's no reason for people to buy the system. This oversight has already cost Sony some goodwill -- developers are howling about how hard it is to create games for the system. In an interview with Time magazine, John Carmack, one of the developers behind such massively popular games as Doom and Quake, said that the "PS2 is definitely more powerful than Dreamcast. But it's less convenient to extract performance from it."

Sony is also under the mistaken impression that including the ability to play DVD movies is a huge selling point. But true technophiles and hardcore gamers probably already have DVD drives. I'm a good case in point. I already own a Sony DVD player, so I could not care less if the $299 PS2 can play movies. I'd rather pay less and get a machine that just plays games instead.

In comparison, the Sega Dreamcast sells for $149 and has a giant library of games already available. Sega also has an online game network, Seganet. The Dreamcast comes with a built-in 56K modem and Sega will soon release a broadband (cable/DSL) adapter for it. (The PS2 does not ship with a modem.) Sega is banking on the appeal of multiplayer online gaming, even going so far as to rebate the entire cost of a Dreamcast to players who sign up for Seganet. And for the first time ever we actually have cross-platform online gaming -- Seganet lets Dreamcast players compete against PC players in games like Quake 3. Sony, on the other hand, is promising online gaming later on but currently has nothing to offer purchasers of the PS2.

In addition to Sega, Sony also has two 800-pound gaming gorillas breathing down its neck: Nintendo and Microsoft. Nintendo plans to release its powerful GameCube system next year. Don't downplay Nintendo's chances either. Despite having a rocky time with the N64, Nintendo has some of the most lucrative franchises in video-game history on its side (Zelda, Super Mario Brothers, Metroid, etc.) and a superb marketing machine.

The real wild card here, though, is Microsoft, which plans to release its X-Box game system next year. The Xbox will have even more powerful hardware than the PS2, and Microsoft has the marketing muscle and rapport with developers to do the PS2 real damage. Unlike Sony, Microsoft is taking great pains to make sure the X-Box is easy to make games for -- developers will also be able to easily port games from the PC to the X-Box, thus insuring a huge supply of games.

So should you feel bad if you can't get a PS2 right away? No way. If you wait a while you'll avoid all the lines and scuffling in stores and you'll end up with a much better selection of games. And if you wait long enough for the upcoming systems from Microsoft and Nintendo, you'll probably see a cut in the price of the PS2 as Sony tries to ward off both threats.

Hardcore gamers aren't known for their patience, but this is one occasion when playing it smart may mean not playing at all. For now.

Replace PS2 with the PS3.

The Xbox with Dreamcast.

The Gamecube with the WII.

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#2 Flipnblack
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I'm not reading all of that...

History will repeat itself = PS3 failing due to console curse.

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There are too many differnent factors now, one Xbox is backed by Microsoft.

 

The Wii is MUCH more popular than the Gamecube ever was.

 

The PS3's price is also a huge factor.

 

Also you can't forget software, which for mulitplats the 360 has achievements and a larger installbase which believe it or not sells more developers than arrogant statements.

 

Personally, even with all the negatives I think PS3 will win, but it WILL be a close race this gen until the end. 

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I like the PS3.
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#5 killerkane246
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thats wat im saying i think the ps3 will win

But this does discribe sony's playstation 3 thing down.

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#6 laughingman42
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this has been posted before. and it pretty much goes like this.

First this artical was written before the launch of the PS2. The PS2 did actually sell well in the first 5 months. Second they had no real competition the first year it was out. Sega was having so many of its own issues they couldnt put up much of a fight. Third MS is real competition and they already have an established fan base in the US and Europe. Fourth $600=/=$300 not by a long shoot. no console over $300 has ever sold well. (well now its $400 but I bet that 360 sales will pick up significantly after the price drops) Fifth blueray is not a proven format like DVD was. and last the nintendo wii. period.

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this has been posted before. and it pretty much goes like this.

First this artical was written before the launch of the PS2. The PS2 did actually sell well in the first 5 months. Second they had no real competition the first year it was out. Sega was having so many of its own issues they couldnt put up much of a fight. Third MS is real competition and they already have an established fan base in the US and Europe. Fourth $600=/=$300 not by a long shoot. no console over $300 has ever sold well. (well now its $400 but I bet that 360 sales will pick up significantly after the price drops) Fifth blueray is not a proven format like DVD was. and last the nintendo wii. period.

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#8 carl2tan
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we will know who will oficcially win after next holiday season.  I'm thinkin it'll stay the same as it is now. 360, wii, ps3.
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#9 RahnAetas
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History maybe repeating itself, but you've confused the players.

Right now it's closer to:
Dreamcast - PS3
PS2 - Wii
Sega Genesis - 360

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#10 walter09
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no console over $300 has ever sold well.laughingman42
  what are you talking about? this is the first time in generations that consoles are over $300 bucks ... at $299 Sony and its PS2 sold millions of units. and it'll happen again with the PS3 because it offers more than any other console.
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[QUOTE="laughingman42"] no console over $300 has ever sold well.walter09
what are you talking about? this is the first time in generations that consoles are over $300 bucks ... at $299 Sony and its PS2 sold millions of units. and it'll happen again with the PS3 because it offers more than any other console.

 the fact that you think this is the first > $300 console shows how well they have done in the past...

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#12 audioaxes
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ps2 didnt cost $600 with a equally powerful counterpart already dictating solidifying marketshare

/phail 

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Déjà vu?
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    HAHAHA! A 10 million+ system thats been out a year and a half and is backed by one of the richest companies on earth is just going to disappear? The Wii, which has outsold the PS3 and 360 combined most months is going to all of a sudden stop selling and just flop? The PS3, which is slowly getting to 4 million (a rate of about 8 million a year) is going to sell another 116 million in 6-7 years?

    Good luck with that. I will stick with reality, thank you very much.

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*climbs wall of text*

history will repeat itself=nintendo will be #1 again :question:

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#16 -KinGz-
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History maybe repeating itself, but you've confused the players.

Right now it's closer to:
Dreamcast - PS3
PS2 - Wii
Sega Genesis - 360

RahnAetas

Maybe in sales, but 360 has the factor that made me buy a ps2... the games. 

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yeah and never ever a console has done for 3 in a row....and the ps2 was not a $600 thing...
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[QUOTE="PlyrChicho"]yeah and never ever a console has done for 3 in a row....and the ps2 was not a $600 thing...killerkane246

dude u sound like a five year old. (Wii Fan)

lol

yea a 5 year old showing more logic then you have to offer, killer :roll: 

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How will history repeat itself? like someone said that also means the 3rd console curse will happen. saying that something will happen simply because it happened before is a groundless stand.
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[QUOTE="PlyrChicho"]yeah and never ever a console has done for 3 in a row....and the ps2 was not a $600 thing...killerkane246

dude u sound like a five year old. (Wii Fan)

lol

 

dude you act like a five year old. 

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[QUOTE="PlyrChicho"]yeah and never ever a console has done for 3 in a row....and the ps2 was not a $600 thing...killerkane246

dude u sound like a five year old. (Wii Fan)

lol

He's from Guatemala, not everyone speaks english and the "Wii fan" statement it's dumb and offensive. 

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Pretty violent avatar you got there....obvious Ninty hater?
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    HAHAHA! A 10 million+ system thats been out a year and a half and is backed by one of the richest companies on earth is just going to disappear? The Wii, which has outsold the PS3 and 360 combined most months is going to all of a sudden stop selling and just flop? The PS3, which is slowly getting to 4 million (a rate of about 8 million a year) is going to sell another 116 million in 6-7 years?

    Good luck with that. I will stick with reality, thank you very much.

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  take it easy spruce ... you really got excited about the issue man =P
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History also shows NO console starting at $500 and more was ever successful. Still eager for history to repeat itself?
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[QUOTE="killerkane246"]

[QUOTE="PlyrChicho"]yeah and never ever a console has done for 3 in a row....and the ps2 was not a $600 thing...FancyKetchup25

dude u sound like a five year old. (Wii Fan)

lol

 

dude you act like a five year old. 

Lol, I'd have to agree.

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#27 kuza_9999
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it's funny how similar that news story is to today's sentiments, but if history always repeated itself, Nintendo would still rule the market with next to no competition, which is what most people thought would happen with the 64 when it was first announced. the console market can't be predicted well.
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#28 killerkane246
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it's funny how similar that news story is to today's sentiments, but if history always repeated itself, Nintendo would still rule the market with next to no competition, which is what most people thought would happen with the 64 when it was first announced. the console market can't be predicted well.kuza_9999

uv'e got a good point but the ps2 did not have a good variety of games at launch and the dreamcast sold for less money and look at it now.

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We will know who will win this gen when the PS4, Xbox 720 and the Wii Nii is out.