Honestly, KZ2 is in good/safe hands and will not fail

First lets have a look at Sony's track record for games

1st party

Incognito Entertainment

• Twisted Metal: Black = 9.5
• Twisted Metal: Head-On = 8.5
• Warhawk : 8.5

Naughty Dog (acquired in 2001)

• Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy = 8.8
• Jak II = 9.1
• Jak 3 = 8.6
• Uncharted: Drake's Fortune = 8.0

SCE Studios Santa Monica

• God Of War = 9.3
• God Of War II = 9.2

Polyphony Digital

• Gran Turismo = 8.6
• Gran Turismo 2 = 8.5
• Gran Turismo 3 = 9.4
• Gran Turismo 4 = 8.9
• Tourist Trophy = 8.2

Team ICO

• Ico = 8.5
• Shadow of the Colossus = 8.7

Guerrilla Games (aquired in 2005)

• Killzone: Liberation = 8.3

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Point being, KILLZONE 2 IS IN SAFE HANDS !

Now I know you guys are going to dig out some 1st party games which are lacklustre and I just want to say that I am aware Sony has created some games which do not meet expectations but that is not the point. Sony are one of the big players when it comes to making great games so why all of a sudden Killzone 2 won't be within those 80% of awseome games.

Let me point out again that Guirrilla were acquired by Sony in 2005 so Killzone 1 was not a first party title and thus had nothing to do with Sony. Guirrilla & Sony are working really hard on KZ2 and spending much time and resources like they would onGT or GOW game. You see KZ2 is not just another game from Sony and they have made that clear by emhasizing the importance of Killzone 2.

Let me just bullet point the reason why KZ2 won't fail

• Sony are working with Guirrilla employees to make this a stand out shooter of 08 !

Why would Sony acompany who 80% of the time makes great games spend so much effort on a game if it did not meet expectations, the answer, they are doing all they can to meet these expectations.

Guirrilla who were inexperienced with console development back when they created Killzone 1 are now experienced and have the knowledge given to them by Sony.

I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be the greatest game ever I'm just saying it won't fail and you can spin that how ever way you want but I'm sticking by that statement. The odds of Killzone 2 being a great game are high

I didn't know Team ICO was a Sony dev.

Cool.

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

I agree with your post but your title says will not fail, which is not out of the question. It'd be good for all of us if it turns out to be worth all the effort.

I hope Rare and Microsoft will make the next Perfect Dark without failure, but it's not a sure thing, even though Microsoft may turn to its other fps star after Bungie's decision and pour resources into it.

i think KZ2 is setting themselves up for a really big fall with their lies.

because right now all they think about is the graphic, i predicted the gameplay will be crap

although i do hope that i am wrong

Geurilla games also made

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/shellshocknam67/index.html?tag=result;title;4

and

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/killzone/index.html?tag=result;title;1

I dont see how games that other developers have made somehow makes Geurilla a better developer.

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

ss_49

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

[QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

NaturalDeezism

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

Published by SCEE....so no. Sorry :?

[QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

NaturalDeezism

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

How does that change the fact that it is stil the same developer with the same employees? Sony's other acomplishments don't change that. Also, name one good Sony produced FPS.

[QUOTE="NaturalDeezism"][QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

ss_49

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

Published by SCEE....so no. Sorry :?

Ok? They're just publishers, that doesn't necessarily mean they're working with them to develop the game.

Everyone knowa Sony really didn't do much with the development on Killzone. TC's point is that with Sony's guidance, that Killzone 2 will be good atleast.

[QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

NaturalDeezism

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/shellshocknam67/index.html?tag=result;title;4

and

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/killzone/index.html?tag=result;title;1

[QUOTE="ss_49"][QUOTE="NaturalDeezism"][QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

NaturalDeezism

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

Published by SCEE....so no. Sorry :?

Ok? They're just publishers, that doesn't necessarily mean they're working with them to develop the game.

Everyone knowa Sony really didn't do much with the development on Killzone. TC's point is that with Sony's guidance, that Killzone 2 will be good atleast.

Oh god,

Sony published KZ.

Sony is publishing KZ2.

The fact that they've thrown extra money at GG this time around means nothing.

If you put a silk hat on a pig, it's still a pig.

[QUOTE="NaturalDeezism"][QUOTE="ss_49"][QUOTE="NaturalDeezism"][QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

ss_49

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

Published by SCEE....so no. Sorry :?

Ok? They're just publishers, that doesn't necessarily mean they're working with them to develop the game.

Everyone knowa Sony really didn't do much with the development on Killzone. TC's point is that with Sony's guidance, that Killzone 2 will be good atleast.

Oh god,

Sony published KZ.

Sony is publishing KZ2.

The fact that they've thrown extra money at GG this time around means nothing.

If you put a silk hat on a pig, it's still a pig.

Your obviously too stubborn to see his point. So i'll just let you bash it for all you want, I don't care.

For anyone that isn't going to be so stubborn, publishers do not always work with the developers. They distribute the game and do other things such at advertise in hope to make profit. The TC's point is that now, Sony isn't just distrubiting the game and hoping to make profit, they're working with Guerilla to try and create a better product.

I've had enough of the moronic fanboys here in System Wars. Have a good day children.

Geurilla games also made

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/shellshocknam67/index.html?tag=result;title;4

and

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/killzone/index.html?tag=result;title;1

I dont see how games that other developers have made somehow makes Geurilla a better developer.

TOAO_Cyrus1

Killzone 1 was crap and still is crap

sequels usually follow the footsteps of their predecessors

[QUOTE="NaturalDeezism"][QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

TOAO_Cyrus1

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

How does that change the fact that it is stil the same developer with the same employees? Sony's other acomplishments don't change that. Also, name one good Sony produced FPS.

Wrong. The new Guerilla is completely different than the old Guerilla.

The main flaw i remember(march 2002)about Twisted Metal Black is the 4 player levels was cutdown.

For anyone that isn't going to be so stubborn, publishers do not always work with the developers. They distribute the game and do other things such at advertise in hope to make profit. The TC's point is that now, Sony isn't just distrubiting the game and hoping to make profit, they're working with Guerilla to try and create a better product.

I've had enough of the moronic fanboys here in System Wars. Have a good day children.

NaturalDeezism

Thank God you're leaving because you obviously know very little about the gaming industry and how games are developed.

I didn't know Team ICO was a Sony dev.

Cool.

DarkCloud79

Thats who made shadow of the colossus.

Good for a PSP..horrible for the ps2.

Guerrilla is not a good/safe developer..

lol...

killzone 2?, people still think its made by the people who made the first?!? WOW...stupidity masters!!

there saying the prequel matters?!? WOW... stupidity masters!!

good think i liked the first anyway :P

Good for a PSP..horrible for the ps2.

Guerrilla is not a good/safe developer..

ProductNumber49

good thing most of the gurrila team arnt the guys that made KZ1, hey? ;)

Killzone 1 was crap and still is crap

sequels usually follow the footsteps of their predecessors

krunkfu2

ur logic says: if u fail ur first exams, its 100 percent that u will fail the 2nd.

bright logic, very bright.

let me just say that 2nd party exclusives are made by independent companies and not Sony themself. like someone pointed out 2nd party exclusives are not made in conjunction with Sony and are made entirely of a particular companies creation, like Ratchet & Clank for example. Killzone 1 was published by Sony unlike Killzone 2 which is being made in conjunction with Sony. When Sony publishes a game they take over the duties to distribute the game & promote it. Look at NG2 for the 360, it's published by Microsoft meaning it will be distributed and promoted by Microsoft but Team Ninja are the ones creating the game. Publishing a game and developing a game are two completely different things, get that in your heads guys !

Before Guirrilla got acquired in 05 they created 2 games, 1 was an exclusive (KZ) and the other Multiplat (Shell Shock). Once Guirrilla got bought by Sony they created Killzone: Liberation in conjuction with Sony, now KZL was a well recieved game and a hit amongst games. what does that tell you? Sony + Guirrlla = Better Games.

Sure after being acquired by Sony they only made one game but then again going by Sony's track record KZ2 will be a great game considering how much effort is being put in it. Sony are serious about the prospect of KZ2 like they would be about GT or GOW.

oh and when I mean KZ2 won't fail. I'm not implying that it's gonna be AAA I'm just saying it will be a great game and well recieved, anything more is just a bonus.

[QUOTE="krunkfu2"]

Killzone 1 was crap and still is crap

sequels usually follow the footsteps of their predecessors

def_mode

ur logic says: if u fail ur first exams, its 100 percent that u will fail the 2nd.

bright logic, very bright.

No, your logic fails. An exam after another exam isn't considered a "sequel". Maybe if you cited a movie sequel that was better than the first, for example Terminator 2, your point would have been made. :P

But here's where the golden ticket lies, did the first Terminator have the exact same cast and crew as the second one? Ah, see, now we're getting deeper into the jungle my friend.

[QUOTE="NaturalDeezism"][QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

TOAO_Cyrus1

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

How does that change the fact that it is stil the same developer with the same employees? Sony's other acomplishments don't change that. Also, name one good Sony produced FPS.

the team from killzone 1 is not the same exact team doing killzone 2. They have a lot new faces and experience.

hahahahahahahahahahaha, no really, hahaha, oh my lord!!!!

killzone2 = killzone 1 with Graw's cover system ripped off. Wowzers AAAA material right there? NO

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

ss_49

Just out of curiousity, do you know anything about Killzone 1's development?

I believe Killzone 2 is in safe-hands but there's always that possibility.Still, I highly doubt it will flop.

Killzone 1 was crap and still is crap

sequels usually follow the footsteps of their predecessors

krunkfu2

Yep but who cares! Because the PS2 won, the PS3 is going to get first place and the Xbox 360 will be in second place. Get what I'm saying?

Anything can happen for Killzone 2 and it was praised a lot during E3 but so did a bunch of other games like Lair. Still, with a good budget, unlimited time, building from the ground up on the PS3, and a good development team, Killzone 2 will be fine.

"KZ2 is in good/safe hands and will not fail.

hmm, so sony backs up the devs of KZ2.

but it doesn't necessarily make it a sure fire great game. it's got a bigger budget, and probably some guidance. but it could still flop.

Im not interested in killzone anymore because cod4 has blown me away with its single pllayer AND multiplayer....without the helghastgasmasks....

Then again if it turns out to be a good game i will get it.

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="NaturalDeezism"][QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

ff7isnumbaone

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

How does that change the fact that it is stil the same developer with the same employees? Sony's other acomplishments don't change that. Also, name one good Sony produced FPS.

the team from killzone 1 is not the same exact team doing killzone 2. They have a lot new faces and experience.

Killzone 1 was was created by 30 people and Killzone 2 is being developed by 120 people most of whom are Sony employee's with experience.

p.s. Most people really need to read my post beore replying. what I mean by not fail is that the game will be good, I'm not implying it's gonna be AAA, although it might.

[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="NaturalDeezism"][QUOTE="ss_49"]

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

Swift_Boss_A

He clearly said Guerrilla Games (acquired in 2005) and Killzone came out before 2005 I believe.

How does that change the fact that it is stil the same developer with the same employees? Sony's other acomplishments don't change that. Also, name one good Sony produced FPS.

the team from killzone 1 is not the same exact team doing killzone 2. They have a lot new faces and experience.

Killzone 1 was was created by 30 people and Killzone 2 is being developed by 120 people most of whom are Sony employee's with experience OF RIPPING OFF GAMEPLAY ELEMENTS FROM OTHER PEOPLES' GAMES

p.s. Most people really need to read my post beore replying. what I mean by not fail is that the game will be good, I'm not implying it's gonna be AAA, although it might.

It's mighty convenient that you left out the one glaring contradiction to your post...

In the interest of fairness, I'll do it for 'ya:

Killzone: 6.9

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a flop.

But the fact that it's prequel was terrible is far more important than SCE's track record of publishing great games.

ss_49

Killzone 1 was crap and still is crap

sequels usually follow the footsteps of their predecessors

krunkfu2

Ones opinion NOT facts, unfortunetely.