How Blizzard/Vivendi can make World of Warcraft like Xbox Live

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#1 CammieIsWii
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  1. Charge 14.99 per month
  2. Then tell players they have to host their own servers
  3. HUGE PROFIT!

Voila! An Xbox live model.

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you do know how big a server farm it takes to run this game yes? were talkin bout thousands in 1 world compared to the likes of 24 in a match.

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yeah cos the concept of paying for things monthly was invented for XBL subscription.

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#4 CammieIsWii
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yeah cos the concept of paying for things monthly was invented for XBL subscription.

dog_dirt

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

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#5 dog_dirt
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

yeah cos the concept of paying for things monthly was invented for XBL subscription.

CammieIsWii

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

still not sure what point your trying to make though. is it just XBLbashing thread?
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#6 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

yeah cos the concept of paying for things monthly was invented for XBL subscription.

CammieIsWii

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

your second point is one of the biggest fails i have ever seen on this board.It holds less weight than an invisible bag.

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#7 CammieIsWii
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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

yeah cos the concept of paying for things monthly was invented for XBL subscription.

razgriz_101

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

your second point is one of the biggest fails i have ever seen on this board.It holds less weight than an invisible bag.

How so? Doesn't XBL make you pay an annual fee, then ask you to host your own servers using Peer-2-peer matchmaking?

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Nah, MS should had let Ensemble complete the Halo MMORPG and made it's access free to all gold subscribers. :D

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#9 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

yeah cos the concept of paying for things monthly was invented for XBL subscription.

dog_dirt

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

still not sure what point your trying to make though. is it just XBLbashing thread?

He's saying that while companies in the past have required you to pay to play their games online, this was due to the fact they hosted dedicated servers. However, the TC's point was that Microsoft does not provide dedicated servers for XBL, which in terms of online play, brings into question why it is your paying.
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#10 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

CammieIsWii

your second point is one of the biggest fails i have ever seen on this board.It holds less weight than an invisible bag.

How so? Doesn't XBL make you pay an annual fee, then ask you to host your own servers using Peer-2-peer matchmaking?

truely no point in fighting least research how this would be impossible before posting this bullcrap.

/goes back to listening to Protest the hero.

No point in trying to prove you wrong as you dont listen.

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#11 CammieIsWii
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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

your second point is one of the biggest fails i have ever seen on this board.It holds less weight than an invisible bag.

razgriz_101

How so? Doesn't XBL make you pay an annual fee, then ask you to host your own servers using Peer-2-peer matchmaking?

truely no point in fighting least research how this would be impossible before posting this bullcrap.

/goes back to listening to Protest the hero.

No point in trying to prove you wrong as you dont listen.

So in other words... you're taking your ball and going home?

Please enlighten me as to why I am incorrect in my statement.

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#12 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

How so? Doesn't XBL make you pay an annual fee, then ask you to host your own servers using Peer-2-peer matchmaking?

CammieIsWii

truely no point in fighting least research how this would be impossible before posting this bullcrap.

/goes back to listening to Protest the hero.

No point in trying to prove you wrong as you dont listen.

So in other words... you're taking your ball and going home?

Please enlighten me as to why I am incorrect in my statement.

Im gladly back for round 2.This should make it a quick topic death

http://kotaku.com/5362009/the-numbers-of-warcraft

doubt 1 person can host all that.

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#13 CammieIsWii
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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

truely no point in fighting least research how this would be impossible before posting this bullcrap.

/goes back to listening to Protest the hero.

No point in trying to prove you wrong as you dont listen.

razgriz_101

So in other words... you're taking your ball and going home?

Please enlighten me as to why I am incorrect in my statement.

Im gladly back for round 2.This should make it a quick topic death

http://kotaku.com/5362009/the-numbers-of-warcraft

doubt 1 person can host all that.

I think you missed the point of the thread. :D

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#14 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

truely no point in fighting least research how this would be impossible before posting this bullcrap.

/goes back to listening to Protest the hero.

No point in trying to prove you wrong as you dont listen.

razgriz_101

So in other words... you're taking your ball and going home?

Please enlighten me as to why I am incorrect in my statement.

Im gladly back for round 2.This should make it a quick topic death

http://kotaku.com/5362009/the-numbers-of-warcraft

doubt 1 person can host all that.

I think you missed his point. I doubt he was seriously suggesting that Blizzard move to peer to peer servers.
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#15 CammieIsWii
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

So in other words... you're taking your ball and going home?

Please enlighten me as to why I am incorrect in my statement.

Danm_999

Im gladly back for round 2.This should make it a quick topic death

http://kotaku.com/5362009/the-numbers-of-warcraft

doubt 1 person can host all that.

I think you missed his point. I doubt he was seriously suggesting that Blizzard move to peer to peer servers.

Of course... EA could pull an "XBL" by charging people who host their own independant Ultima Online servers $9.99 a month. :D

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#16 Sky-
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No doubt, Battle.net 2.0 will be a beast to be reckoned with.

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#17 mariobros1981
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Charge 14.99 per monthThen tell players they have to host their own serversHUGE PROFIT!

Voila! An Xbox live model.

CammieIsWii
orrrrrrr 1. Play on private servers 2. ?????? 3. PROFIT! for xbl, replace private servers with x-link and you're set!
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#18 CammieIsWii
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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]Charge 14.99 per monthThen tell players they have to host their own serversHUGE PROFIT!

Voila! An Xbox live model.

mariobros1981

orrrrrrr 1. Play on private servers 2. ?????? 3. PROFIT! for xbl, replace private servers with x-link and you're set!

#2 would be charge them money. :D

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#19 Espada12
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Am I the only person who saw what the TC did there?

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#20 Strider_91
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

So in other words... you're taking your ball and going home?

Please enlighten me as to why I am incorrect in my statement.

CammieIsWii

Im gladly back for round 2.This should make it a quick topic death

http://kotaku.com/5362009/the-numbers-of-warcraft

doubt 1 person can host all that.

I think you missed the point of the thread. :D

He didn't miss anything.. there is no point to this thread.. Either you're taking a shot at WoW.. or Xbox Live.. And whether you are a Wii player.. or PS3.. Neither are as successful as the two above..
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#21 Espada12
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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Im gladly back for round 2.This should make it a quick topic death

http://kotaku.com/5362009/the-numbers-of-warcraft

doubt 1 person can host all that.

Strider_91

I think you missed the point of the thread. :D

He didn't miss anything.. there is no point to this thread.. Either you're taking a shot at WoW.. or Xbox Live.. And whether you are a Wii player.. or PS3.. Neither are as successful as the two above..

He's taking a shot at XBL obviously lol.

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#22 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Im gladly back for round 2.This should make it a quick topic death

http://kotaku.com/5362009/the-numbers-of-warcraft

doubt 1 person can host all that.

Strider_91

I think you missed the point of the thread. :D

He didn't miss anything.. there is no point to this thread.. Either you're taking a shot at WoW.. or Xbox Live.. And whether you are a Wii player.. or PS3.. Neither are as successful as the two above..

Clearly, the point was he was taking a shot at XBL. Nor does its success nullify the point; why are users obliged to pay when they host the servers?
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#23 CammieIsWii
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[QUOTE="Strider_91"][QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

I think you missed the point of the thread. :D

Danm_999

He didn't miss anything.. there is no point to this thread.. Either you're taking a shot at WoW.. or Xbox Live.. And whether you are a Wii player.. or PS3.. Neither are as successful as the two above..

Clearly, the point was he was taking a shot at XBL. Nor does its success nullify the point; why are users obliged to pay when they host the servers?

That is an excellent question. It would be like going to a restaurant but being cooking your own dinner while you are there and then being charged for it. :P

Perhaps Strider would like to answer this question

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no answer?

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#25 Mestitia
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  1. Charge 14.99 per month
  2. Then tell players they have to host their own servers
  3. HUGE PROFIT!

Voila! An Xbox live model.

CammieIsWii
Plus they should charge for all DLC/Content patches!
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#26 Brownesque
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you do know how big a server farm it takes to run this game yes? were talkin bout thousands in 1 world compared to the likes of 24 in a match.

razgriz_101
Question is.... You being aware of this fact, how could you not see that the OP was satire?
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#27 Brownesque
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Am I the only person who saw what the TC did there?

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Yes, but I, in fact, am the only one that saw what he did thar.
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#28 RedruM_I
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"][QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

Danm_999

still not sure what point your trying to make though. is it just XBLbashing thread?

He's saying that while companies in the past have required you to pay to play their games online, this was due to the fact they hosted dedicated servers. However, the TC's point was that Microsoft does not provide dedicated servers for XBL, which in terms of online play, brings into question why it is your paying.

For nothing basically.

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#29 ducati101
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Wow a lot of people are not getting this topic. TC has a point though!
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#30 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

you do know how big a server farm it takes to run this game yes? were talkin bout thousands in 1 world compared to the likes of 24 in a match.

Brownesque

Question is.... You being aware of this fact, how could you not see that the OP was satire?

question is do you realise i realised that quiete some time ago i dont need someone to tell me i seen the replys after mine or is that all people do on here now.

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[QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

yeah cos the concept of paying for things monthly was invented for XBL subscription.

razgriz_101

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

your second point is one of the biggest fails i have ever seen on this board.It holds less weight than an invisible bag.

Who says an invisible bag couldn't hold weight?
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I get it take a shot at xbox live cool. Service updates running a backend service for everysingle gamertag/friendlist/licence tracking, chat servers as well as the matchmaking servers are all provided by MS.
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No one pointed out the obvious yet. MMOs cannot rely on player hosted servers period. It will not work without a central server. It cannot be player hosted and still be a MMO game so the comparison does not work. And yes the xbox live service is a rip off. Not very expensive but a ripoff nonetheless.
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No one pointed out the obvious yet. MMOs cannot rely on player hosted servers period. It will not work without a central server. It cannot be player hosted and still be a MMO game so the comparison does not work. And yes the xbox live service is a rip off. Not very expensive but a ripoff nonetheless. Materia_Ashes

arent alll public realms are not player owned? the only way to get that is to have a private server, which to me is a waste of time

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[QUOTE="Materia_Ashes"]No one pointed out the obvious yet. MMOs cannot rely on player hosted servers period. It will not work without a central server. It cannot be player hosted and still be a MMO game so the comparison does not work. And yes the xbox live service is a rip off. Not very expensive but a ripoff nonetheless. gamer-adam1

arent alll public realms are not player owned? the only way to get that is to have a private server, which to me is a waste of time

I'm sorry but I do not understand your question. Could you please rephrase that?
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MMORPGs need servers for being able to be played so if there aren't servers then you can't play them. There are perhaps thousands of computer systems for the worlds that you play to be there, it is hard for a company to maintain that so they need more money. Now, I think that TC is talking that Xbox Live doesn't need all the computers that a MMORPG needs. In a few words, TC is saying that Microsoft is making people believe that a monthly or annual fee is required for play online and that Microsoft is stealing people's money.
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"][QUOTE="CammieIsWii"]

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

Danm_999

still not sure what point your trying to make though. is it just XBLbashing thread?

He's saying that while companies in the past have required you to pay to play their games online, this was due to the fact they hosted dedicated servers. However, the TC's point was that Microsoft does not provide dedicated servers for XBL, which in terms of online play, brings into question why it is your paying.

they have dedicated servers that hold all your info. everything that happens on xboxlive goes through there servers, you just dont play on servers because because as bungie has said its not needed. EA sports are all dedicated servers, L4D1 and 2 are on dedicated servers. what xboxlive does is take the features of exlucsive content, like 1 vs 100, game with fame, game with who ever. demos for every single game, discounts, real prizes contests. there are mods too, there are way more people working than PSN will have. only on xbox live would a male think a famous female would ever show her chest http://kotaku.com/5488432/i-was-an-xbox-live-celebrity-for-one-night-only

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#38 gamer-adam1
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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="Materia_Ashes"]No one pointed out the obvious yet. MMOs cannot rely on player hosted servers period. It will not work without a central server. It cannot be player hosted and still be a MMO game so the comparison does not work. And yes the xbox live service is a rip off. Not very expensive but a ripoff nonetheless. Materia_Ashes

arent alll public realms are not player owned? the only way to get that is to have a private server, which to me is a waste of time

I'm sorry but I do not understand your question. Could you please rephrase that?

in WoW all public servers are not owned by fellow gamers. but are alll owned by Blizzard right?

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[QUOTE="Materia_Ashes"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

arent alll public realms are not player owned? the only way to get that is to have a private server, which to me is a waste of time

gamer-adam1

I'm sorry but I do not understand your question. Could you please rephrase that?

in WoW all public servers are not owned by fellow gamers. but are alll owned by Blizzard right?

Yes that is correct. There are no player owned or player hosted servers on battle.net (maybe open battle.net) but definitely not in WoW. (Except for the cracked pirated servers)
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#40 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

yeah cos the concept of paying for things monthly was invented for XBL subscription.

CammieIsWii

I think you missed Point #2.

I'm pretty sure XBL invented the subscription + host your own service model.

xbox live isn't offereing servers though, its offering a standardized netcode thats built into the 360 services so if you want a game that runs on live, it will run through live services and the dev's don't have to write all that code, and the quality for things like voice chat, p2p networks, and other things are more stable and secure from cheaters.
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#41 gamer-adam1
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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="Materia_Ashes"] I'm sorry but I do not understand your question. Could you please rephrase that?Materia_Ashes

in WoW all public servers are not owned by fellow gamers. but are alll owned by Blizzard right?

Yes that is correct. There are no player owned or player hosted servers on battle.net (maybe open battle.net) but definitely not in WoW. (Except for the cracked pirated servers)

soo that would make this thread pointless, and TC should do his homework :)