How can anyone be loyal to M$?

M$ is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called M$ today to schedule a repair cause my 360 is freezing and flashing the three red lights and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a PS3 last December. Do a google search for "Xbox 360 build quality" or "three red lights of death" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their 360 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. M$ claims the 360 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the 360 sold 10 million units, people buying more than one 360.

Then there's the fact M$ charges people for crappy P2P online service when Sony and Nintendo don't charge for online play. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the PS3 games I've played online like Resistance the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder M$ doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

5% of over 10 million is quite a lot. If every one of them made a blog about their loss, then of course you would find tons of complaints in a quick Google search. It's the freakin' internet for Christ sake.

5% of over 10 million is quite a lot. If every one of them made a blog about their loss, then of course you would find tons of complaints in a quick Google search. It's the freakin' internet for Christ sake.

-Spock-

The Ps3 doesn't seem to have these problems, and neither does the Wii. The xbox is a badly built system, that seems kinda evident.

As for loyalty to microsoft, it seems very weird to me. Loyalty to any company is crazy, but being loyal to microsoft is crazier yet. They're not a company which is interested in anything but milking you dry. Take their push for highly-priced DLC, or for pay services like xbox live, or the build quality of the xbox 360. Liking microsoft is like liking... drowning.

5% of over 10 million is quite a lot. If every one of them made a blog about their loss, then of course you would find tons of complaints in a quick Google search. It's the freakin' internet for Christ sake.

-Spock-

Lets say the PS3 has a 5% failure rate, 5% of 3.5 million is quite allot as well and yet I don't see rampant forum/blog post about PS3s breaking... Also if it's not a build quality issue than explain why people have to send their 360 back for repair many times over... My 360 sits on top of my entertainment center with plenty of air circulation in an air conditioned room...

How can you be loyal to ANY company> They don't give a damn about you, and never will. You could get hit my one of these;

And they wouldn't bat an eyelash. All they want is your money, nothing more.

How can anyone be loyal to Nintendo? First, they refuse to use allow developers to develop games for any system other than the NES. If they made a game for another system, Big N wouldn't sell them the cartridges they needed to make an NES game. Then, when the feds told them they couldn't do so, they refused to use CDs so they could control the format. When they finally moved to optical media, they used yet another proprietary format so they could charge devs for the right to use it. What money grubbers.br0kenrabbit

What does the NES have to do with this topic?... :| Nintendo is a different company today than they were in the past... I'm sure Nintendo charges third party devs royalties comparable to the other console makers...

What does the NES have to do with this topic?... :| Nintendo is a different company today than they were in the past... I'm sure Nintendo charges third party devs royalties comparable to the other console makers...

jdt532

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What does the NES have to do with this topic?... :| Nintendo is a different company today than they were in the past... I'm sure Nintendo charges third party devs royalties comparable to the other console makers...

br0kenrabbit

Bu bu Sony loves me!!!1 :cry:

[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

5% of over 10 million is quite a lot. If every one of them made a blog about their loss, then of course you would find tons of complaints in a quick Google search. It's the freakin' internet for Christ sake.

jdt532

Lets say the PS3 hasa 5% failure rate, 5% of 3.5 million is quite allot as well and yet I don't see rampant forum/blog post about PS3s breaking... Also if it's not a build quality issue than explain why people have to send their 360 back for repair many times over... My 360 sits on top of my entertainment center with plenty of air circulation in an air conditioned room...

It's a conspiracy.

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What does the NES have to do with this topic?... :| Nintendo is a different company today than they were in the past... I'm sure Nintendo charges third party devs royalties comparable to the other console makers...

br0kenrabbit

I don't remember saying Sony or Nintendo were saints or that companies shouldn't make money. It's just that compared to the other console makers M$ looks more evil due to screwing people over with a poorly built console and charging people for stuff that you get for free on the PS3 and Wii.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

What does the NES have to do with this topic?... :| Nintendo is a different company today than they were in the past... I'm sure Nintendo charges third party devs royalties comparable to the other console makers...

jdt532

I don't remember saying Sony or Nintendo were saints or that companies shouldn't make money. It's just that compared to the other console makers M$ looks more evil due to screwing people over with a poorly built console and charging people for stuff that you get for free on the PS3 and Wii.

$ony is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called $ony today to schedule a repair cause my PS2 is freezing and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a Gamecube last December. Do a google search for "PS2 build quality" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their PS2 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. $ony claims the PS2 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the PS2 sold 120 million units, people buying more than one PS2.

Then there's the fact $ony charges people for crappy online-attachment when Microsoft's console runs online right out of the box. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the Xbox games I've played online like Mech Assault the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder $ony doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

jdt532

Here's a better question: How can anyone be loyal to any company? Companies aren't your friends. They don't do you favors. They can't be nice. They are all out for your money. And they always disappoint you at some point in time. All big companies have participated in some shady business before. Nintendo, and Sony are no different. But if your ignorance makes you feel better about your loyalty, then you can continue to live in your dream world to cover up your insecurities.DrinkDuff

Oh whatever, I'm not loyal to any company either but this is system wars, the home of fanboys so I'm asking the M$ fanboys here why they're loyal to M$... Also everyone is avoiding the real issue here... No electronic device is indestructible but people having to send their 360 back over and over for repairs is ridiculous don't you think? I do, I've been gaming since the Atari 2600 era and I've never experienced a console that broke down as much as the 360 does. Since I've been buying consoles since the Sega Genesis era I've only ever bought one console each without ever needing to send a console in for repairs.... Until the 360 came out...

But I tought $ony was evil!

Charging $800 for an inferior copy of the 360 is very evil in my opinion.

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$ony is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called $ony today to schedule a repair cause my PS2 is freezing and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a Gamecube last December. Do a google search for "PS2 build quality" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their PS2 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. $ony claims the PS2 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the PS2 sold 120 million units, people buying more than one PS2.

Then there's the fact $ony charges people for crappy online-attachment when Microsoft's console runs online right out of the box. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the Xbox games I've played online like Mech Assault the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder $ony doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

project343

Sha-ZAM!

[QUOTE="jdt532"]

$ony is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called $ony today to schedule a repair cause my PS2 is freezing and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a Gamecube last December. Do a google search for "PS2 build quality" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their PS2 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. $ony claims the PS2 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the PS2 sold 120 million units, people buying more than one PS2.

Then there's the fact $ony charges people for crappy online-attachment when Microsoft's console runs online right out of the box. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the Xbox games I've played online like Mech Assault the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder $ony doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

project343

And yet I only ever bought one PS2 and NEVER had to get it repaired... That same PS2 still works today after buying it back in March 2001...

Its called capitalism baby. God bless a free economy.

[QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

$ony is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called $ony today to schedule a repair cause my PS2 is freezing and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a Gamecube last December. Do a google search for "PS2 build quality" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their PS2 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. $ony claims the PS2 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the PS2 sold 120 million units, people buying more than one PS2.

Then there's the fact $ony charges people for crappy online-attachment when Microsoft's console runs online right out of the box. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the Xbox games I've played online like Mech Assault the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder $ony doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

jdt532

And yet I only ever bought one PS2 and NEVER had to get it repaired... That same PS2 still works today after buying it back in March 2001...

Exact opposite here. I've had three PS2s, and one 360 since their respective launches. Getting the point I'm trying to make?

[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

$ony is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called $ony today to schedule a repair cause my PS2 is freezing and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a Gamecube last December. Do a google search for "PS2 build quality" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their PS2 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. $ony claims the PS2 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the PS2 sold 120 million units, people buying more than one PS2.

Then there's the fact $ony charges people for crappy online-attachment when Microsoft's console runs online right out of the box. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the Xbox games I've played online like Mech Assault the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder $ony doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

Verge_6

And yet I only ever bought one PS2 and NEVER had to get it repaired... That same PS2 still works today after buying it back in March 2001...

Exact opposite here. I've had three PS2s, and one 360 since their respective launches. Getting the point I'm trying to make?

You're trying to say "things Break" like Peter More and I got lucky with the PS2 and you got lucky with the 360. That still doesn't explain why people have to have their 360 repaired many times... If my 360 broke down once then it was repaired and worked fine from then on that would've been fine cause I know electronics break down especially new electronics. But having to send your 360 in many times over leads me to believe the 360 was just poorly designed and built and that it's inclined to break down until M$ does a complete overhaul of the console.

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What does the NES have to do with this topic?... :| Nintendo is a different company today than they were in the past... I'm sure Nintendo charges third party devs royalties comparable to the other console makers...

br0kenrabbit

How can you be loyal to ANY company> They don't give a damn about you, and never will. You could get hit my one of these;

And they wouldn't bat an eyelash. All they want is your money, nothing more.

Verge_6

and thats EVERY company not just M$, Krazy ken would kill you for his job back

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

$ony is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called $ony today to schedule a repair cause my PS2 is freezing and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a Gamecube last December. Do a google search for "PS2 build quality" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their PS2 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. $ony claims the PS2 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the PS2 sold 120 million units, people buying more than one PS2.

Then there's the fact $ony charges people for crappy online-attachment when Microsoft's console runs online right out of the box. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the Xbox games I've played online like Mech Assault the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder $ony doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

jdt532

And yet I only ever bought one PS2 and NEVER had to get it repaired... That same PS2 still works today after buying it back in March 2001...

Exact opposite here. I've had three PS2s, and one 360 since their respective launches. Getting the point I'm trying to make?

You're trying to say "things Break" like Peter More and I got lucky with the PS2 and you got lucky with the 360. That still doesn't explain why people have to have their 360 repaired many times... If my 360 broke down once then it was repaired and worked fine from then on that would've been fine cause I know electronics break down especially new electronics. But having to send your 360 in many times over leads me to believe the 360 was just poorly designed and built and that it's inclined to break down until M$ does a complete overhaul of the console.

You totally missed my point and project343's....

The only thing I don't like about Microsoft being in the console business is the quality of their hardware....it's really bad. I want to buy an Xbox360, but I won't because it looks like the malfunction rate is very high. If they actually repaired that error in the hardware I might consider going out and buying one, but no, they won't fix it. I don't even hear about any efforts to fix and improve the 360's hardware on Microsoft's part to improve the systems' lifespans out of the box. Shad0ki11

Someone once asked Peter Moore about about this issue about people having to get their 360 repaired many times over and his response was "things break". Lol Ridiculous, it's like they don't even care...

You totally missed my pointVerge_6

What is your point then?...

[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

$ony is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called $ony today to schedule a repair cause my PS2 is freezing and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a Gamecube last December. Do a google search for "PS2 build quality" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their PS2 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. $ony claims the PS2 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the PS2 sold 120 million units, people buying more than one PS2.

Then there's the fact $ony charges people for crappy online-attachment when Microsoft's console runs online right out of the box. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the Xbox games I've played online like Mech Assault the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder $ony doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

Verge_6

And yet I only ever bought one PS2 and NEVER had to get it repaired... That same PS2 still works today after buying it back in March 2001...

Exact opposite here. I've had three PS2s, and one 360 since their respective launches. Getting the point I'm trying to make?

When i was in college me and my roomate both had ps2 both of them broke. and thats when i decide to switch to the original Xbox.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]You totally missed my pointjdt532

What is your point then?...

That it isn't just MS that has had bad system problems, as you are making it out to be.

How can you be loyal to ANY company> They don't give a damn about you, and never will. You could get hit my one of these;

And they wouldn't bat an eyelash. All they want is your money, nothing more.

Verge_6

i agree. they exist to make money. MS, Sony, Ninty, Ea, Ubi, all of em. objective 1: survive. Objective 2: make profit. there not in this for the love.

i buy a product from a company because i like what there offering and i think the pirce is fair. i dont pledge alliegance to them when buying their product. if they mess up then ill jump ship. my money will go elsewhere in a heart beat. ive bailed on ninty with the N64. i bailed on sony because PC gaming got very tempting (freespace has that effect i have found :P). i bailed on nvidia and intel for an AMD/ATI laptop because i thought it offered great bang per buck. i jumped the AMD ship because core 2 quadros are absolutely brilliant processors.

loyalty to friends and family....very important.

loyalty to a multinational?....pah. they gotta earn their keep.

Cows had no problem staying loyal to Sony after all the PS2 hardware failures. So why is it so difficult to understand why people would stay loyal to the x360?

FYI: I had to replace two PS2s and one x360 so far. Thank the Lord for warranties.

This thread is just fanboy ramblings. I dont understand why people even bother replying. He's clearly not looking for a debate. He says the 360 is the worst built console of all time. He says xbox live is a "crappy service" when we all know unanimously that it's the best on consoles. He whines about repairs but fails to mention that this is done for free.

The whole thread is just pointlessness incarnate. If i made a thread arguing how oxygen is rubbish and we should all quit using it, would you bother trying to tell me why i'm wrong?

M$ is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called M$ today to schedule a repair cause my 360 is freezing and flashing the three red lights and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a PS3 last December. Do a google search for "Xbox 360 build quality" or "three red lights of death" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their 360 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. M$ claims the 360 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the 360 sold 10 million units, people buying more than one 360.

Then there's the fact M$ charges people for crappy P2P online service when Sony and Nintendo don't charge for online play. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the PS3 games I've played online like Resistance the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder M$ doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

jdt532

What a whine-fest. I challenge you to back up your claims with ACTUAL numbers.

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]You totally missed my pointVerge_6

What is your point then?...

That it isn't just MS that has had bad system problems, as you are making it out to be.

That's fine, I never said other consoles don't break down, just out of the consoles that I ever owned the 360 is the only one I've had to replace/repair. And is someone ever going to answer my other question? I can understand if a new electronic device breaks down but why have people had to get their 360 repaired several times? I'm 26 years old and I know how to take car of stuff, my 360 gets great airflow in an air-conditioned room and I rarely played it since buying a PS3 last Dec. and yet I'm sending it in for repair for the second time now. WTF...

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]You totally missed my pointjdt532

What is your point then?...

That it isn't just MS that has had bad system problems, as you are making it out to be.

That's fine, I never said other consoles don't break down, just out of the consoles that I ever owned the 360 is the only one I've had to replace/repair. And is someone ever going to answer my other question? I can understand if a new electronic device breaks down but why have people had to get their 360 repaired several times? I'm 26 years old and I know how to take car of stuff, my 360 gets great airflow in an air-conditioned room and I rarely played it since buying a PS3 last Dec. and yet I'm sending it in for repair for the second time now. WTF...

Exactly, that YOU have ever owned. Many people have a different tale to tale.

I don't think that many of us are as "loyal" as you think. We are gamers - but gamers on a budget. We choose a gaming platform that lends itself to the type of games we enjoy playing and then try to justify that purchase by siding with the company who built that platform. The thing is - if Apple (for example) came out with a killer console next month that played 3 exclusive Star Wars games, had all the multiplat games found on the 360, and also had a bunch of new IPs that interested me, then I'd consider switching to that console.

Not all of us can afford all the platforms out there. Or, as in my case, my wife would kill me if I went out and bought ANOTHER console to play games on ("Don't you already have a game console?"). So, we make a choice and stick with that choice for as long as you can justify.

I know that MS is all about $$$ - especially recently with the extreme Live Marketplace milkage going on, the continuing to gouge us by charging $50 a year for Live, and going back on their word that ALL MS Games Studios games would be released at $49.99 instead of $59.99 (Gears, Shadowrun, Halo 3, etc. all violated this "promise"). I'd dump MS in a second if I saw a better gaming experience out there. As of now, though, I don't.

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M$ is a lying deceitful company that doesn't care about their customers they only care about money. First they make the worst console ever in terms of build quality. I just called M$ today to schedule a repair cause my 360 is freezing and flashing the three red lights and this is the second time I had to get it repaired despite rarely playing it since buying a PS3 last December. Do a google search for "Xbox 360 build quality" or "three red lights of death" and you will find tons of articles and forum/blog posts from people saying how they had to get their 360 repaired 2, 3, 4 even 7 times. M$ claims the 360 failure rate is 5% but anyone with half a brain knows it's way higher than that. Also there are allot of stupid people out there who buy a console without a warranty so that explains part of the reason the 360 sold 10 million units, people buying more than one 360.

Then there's the fact M$ charges people for crappy P2P online service when Sony and Nintendo don't charge for online play. Before anyone says "you get what you pay for" let me state the fact that of the PS3 games I've played online like Resistance the online service is very good also PCs have the best online gaming and it's free as well... It's a wounder M$ doesn't charge for firmware updates. Why not they charge for everything else...

snyper1982

What a whine-fest. I challenge you to back up your claims with ACTUAL numbers.

I can only go by what other people have said on forums and blogs and my own experience. My 360 has broke down twice now, that's two times more than any other console I've ever owned....

The answer: Great games and a great overall system.

The build quality is terrible, yes, but that's what I have my warranty for.

How can anyone be "loyal" to Sony or Nintendo? I have never understood the concept of being loyal to a corporation. They want your money, nothing more. They don't care about you. Once they have your money, you have outlived your usefulness to them.

In being loyal to a company, is that really going to get you anywhrere? If you die,Is Bill Gatesgoing to come to your funeral?Is Reggiegoing to pay your medical bills when you get sick?Is Kaz Hiraigoing to send you a personalizedcardhesigned himselfon your birthday? The answer to all of the above is no.

So I say screw company loyalty. I go where the games I like to playare. I currently prefer the Xbox 360 for this reason but if the PS3 suddenly began putting out more of the games I enjoy than the Xbox 360, I would gravitate to their camp in a heartbeat.