How can anyone have confidence in the Xbox 720?

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

istuffedsunny

Because nearly all my gaming is on xbox 360 ?

The only one that gets all of Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Ryse, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Gears 1-2-3, Halo 1-2-3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Alan Wake, Project Draco, Dust Elysian Tale, FF13-2, Divinity 2, Banjo, Kameo, Pinata 1-2, Gunstringer, Crysis 1-2, PGR4, Forza 3-4 etc

Also has my favourite controller, online and Kinect that brings new immersion and gameplay ways in gaming

Xbox 720 is hands down the first system i will buy next gen day one, all others will have to prove themselves

Also now all of Fable 4, Forza 5, Gears 4, Alan Wake 2 are rumored to be in the making for xbox 720, making it my top console for next gen by miles already

Because maybe they learned from their mistakes?

There's no way microsoft liked to spend millions of dollars to replace thier rrod systems or any other problems their previous launch encountered.

[QUOTE="istuffedsunny"]

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

loosingENDS

Because nearly all my gaming is on xbox 360 ?

The only one that gets all of Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Ryse, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Gears 1-2-3, Halo 1-2-3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Alan Wake, Project Draco, Dust Elysian Tale, FF13-2, Divinity 2, Banjo, Kameo, Pinata 1-2, Gunstringer, Crysis 1-2, PGR4, Forza 3-4 etc

Xbox 720 is hands down the first system i will buy next gen day one, all others will have to prove themselves

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

istuffedsunny

You are forgetting one thing... fact checking.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="istuffedsunny"]

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

gamebreakerz__

Because nearly all my gaming is on xbox 360 ?

The only one that gets all of Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Ryse, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Gears 1-2-3, Halo 1-2-3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Alan Wake, Project Draco, Dust Elysian Tale, FF13-2, Divinity 2, Banjo, Kameo, Pinata 1-2, Gunstringer, Crysis 1-2, PGR4, Forza 3-4 etc

Xbox 720 is hands down the first system i will buy next gen day one, all others will have to prove themselves

That xbox gets the very best of console and PC world of course and its own amazing exclusives and that is why i will buy xbox720 before anything else next gen, plus Halo, Gears, Fable, Alan Wake are some of my favourite games and will be on 720 too

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

istuffedsunny

I think the only thing that would give me pause is the purported "curse of the third console" :lol:

Honestly, I'd feel much more confortable buying the NeXtbox than I did getting the 360 after watching them dump their first console so quickly. They've made huge strides. Free online multiplayer would certainly help though...

Am I forgetting anything?

istuffedsunny

Because nearly all my gaming is on xbox 360 ? The only one that gets all of Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Ryse, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Gears 1-2-3, Halo 1-2-3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Alan Wake, Project Draco, Dust Elysian Tale, FF13-2, Divinity 2, Banjo, Kameo, Pinata 1-2, Gunstringer, Crysis 1-2, PGR4, Forza 3-4 etc Also has my favourite controller, online and Kinect that brings new immersion and gameplay ways in gaming Xbox 720 is hands down the first system i will buy next gen day one, all others will have to prove themselves Also now all of Fable 4, Forza 5, Gears 4, Alan Wake 2 are rumored to be in the making for xbox 720, making it my top console for next gen by miles alreadyloosingENDS

Why did everyone lose confidence in the ps3 after two generations of complete sony domination?

Why did everyone lose confidence in the ps3 after two generations of complete sony domination?

supdotcom

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

istuffedsunny

[QUOTE="supdotcom"]

Why did everyone lose confidence in the ps3 after two generations of complete sony domination?

jtm33

To be precise, xbox is 11.000.000 systems ahead in US and about same numbers with PS3 in Europe

If it was not for Japan, xbox would be way ahead

[QUOTE="jtm33"][QUOTE="supdotcom"]

Why did everyone lose confidence in the ps3 after two generations of complete sony domination?

loosingENDS

To be precise, xbox is 11.000.000 systems ahead in US and about same numbers with PS3 in Europe

If it was not for Japan, xbox would be way ahead

[QUOTE="supdotcom"]

Why did everyone lose confidence in the ps3 after two generations of complete sony domination?

jtm33

I second jtm33's surprise. Playstation is still a very strong brand, and if sales hold true, the ps3 is gonna enjoy a second place finish this gen. (or first if you don't really count the wii as current gen hardware)

[QUOTE="jtm33"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Because i refuse to buy dodgy sony software after 2 generations of them constantly bricking upon me constantly. had to give another console manufacturer a try.delta3074

Ouch! You, sir have had a rough road. I've shared your PS1 frustration (upside down ftw!) but I've owned most of your others and they performed reliably. Heck, I still own my original C64... though it's been boxed up so long I can no longer verify its game-worthiness. For pure consoles, the 360 would be the in the conversation of least reliable console I've owned, though PS1 and 2 would be in that same conversation...

[QUOTE="jtm33"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Because i refuse to buy dodgy sony software after 2 generations of them constantly bricking upon me constantly. had to give another console manufacturer a try.Dibdibdobdobo

Not to try to sell you on a system, because I've dealt with my own fair share of failures, but the PS3 is easily (IMVHO) the most reliable PS made, and handily better than the 360. Of course I also salute Microsoft for stepping up and extending their warranty for 3 years to accomodate gamers dealing with the problem. That's something Sony never did and deserves a mention in MS's favor.

I have confidence because xbox 360 has all my best games this generation, like Witcher 2, Fable, Mass Effect, Gears, Halo, Dark Souls etc

So, since xbox 360 is my best console of all time, why would i not have confidence in xbox 720 ?

I have confidence because xbox 360 has all my best games this generation, like Witcher 2, Fable, Mass Effect, Gears, Halo, Dark Souls etc

So, since xbox 360 is my best console of all time, why would i not have confidence in xbox 720 ?

loosingENDS

Your 360 already has Witcher 2? If not, how are you already rating it one of your best games this gen?

I have confidence because xbox 360 has all my best games this generation, like Witcher 2, Fable, Mass Effect, Gears, Halo, Dark Souls etc

So, since xbox 360 is my best console of all time, why would i not have confidence in xbox 720 ?

loosingENDS

With almost no hype, 360 ended up being my favourite console this gen and one of my favourite ever. Obviously i have high hopes for the next Xbox.

The real question is how can i have confidence in PS4, since it has lost Dark Souls, FF, MGS etc etc now

PS brand has zero games left that i care much about, so PS4 is the system that i have zero confidence in right now and would buy last if at all

Nintendo always has Zelda

The real question is how can i have confidence in PS4, since it has lost Dark Souls, FF, MGS etc etc now

PS brand has zero games left that i care much about, so PS4 is the system that i have zero confidence in right now and would buy last if at all

Nintendo always has Zelda

loosingENDS

Wait, what??? The PS3 has all three games you just brought up...

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="jtm33"] And then you realised that the 360 is possibly the least reliable console hardware ever. Funny how that works out hey.santoron

Ouch! You, sir have had a rough road. I've shared your PS1 frustration (upside down ftw!) but I've owned most of your others and they performed reliably. Heck, I still own my original C64... though it's been boxed up so long I can no longer verify its game-worthiness. For pure consoles, the 360 would be the in the conversation of least reliable console I've owned, though PS1 and 2 would be in that same conversation...

Im as confident for the 720 as I was for the 360. Not very.

This time however, i'll be slightly more wary of MS' practicises. The way they ran the OG Xbox was great, great software, hardware, etc. The 360 ... Not so much

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA - Do you have proof that there was no QA? Link? Of course we know the quality was not good, but it's hardly the first electronic that went out the door fully tested to fail later on. After all it's not like Sony has not had it's share of quality issues pop up...ie YLoD, DRE, Blu-ray laser diodes. Did they not Q/A test these products?

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead - Hardly Microsoft's fault, although had they included the HD-DVD built into the 360 I'm quite certain the format wars would have ended a different way.

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim - Can't argue this, but hardly a reason to not buy a console. Sort of like saying all my games from the PS2 are saved on memory cards. Why can't I use them on the B/C PS3s? Things evolve.

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat - Huh? Kinect works fine on the phat. Kinect comes with a power adapter that works with the Phat model 360s. Do some research.

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless - Not sure what you are talking about...all my themes work fine on my dashboard.

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

istuffedsunny

So basically after all the fanboy ranting we have a quality issue from 2007 that has been cleared up, and failure to continue to support a memory card format (which Sony also did). ok then.

How can anyone trust Sony after they took B/C out of the PS3? How about other O/S support, SD card support, Having to take down PSN for a month because of poor security, etc? See it works both ways.

As long as MS puts out a good system, at a reasonable price, with good launch titles people will buy it including me. The same goes for the PS4 when it comes out.

I'm not going to even get into this TC you've posted alot of disinformation and from a purely logical standpoint it would make no sense for the next xbox to have no QA *the 360 had it by the way* it would be suicide pretty sure microsoft isn't keen on commiting suicide with how far they've come.
otherwise I wont even highlight all the disinformation you posted.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

The real question is how can i have confidence in PS4, since it has lost Dark Souls, FF, MGS etc etc now

PS brand has zero games left that i care much about, so PS4 is the system that i have zero confidence in right now and would buy last if at all

Nintendo always has Zelda

santoron

Wait, what??? The PS3 has all three games you just brought up...

Indeed, but those are also on xbox 360, so that leaves PS3-4 with zero exlusive franshises i care about

While xbox has Halo, GEars, Alan Wake, Fable, Forza etc

I'm not going to even get into this TC you've posted alot of disinformation and from a purely logical standpoint it would make no sense for the next xbox to have no QA *the 360 had it by the way* it would be suicide pretty sure microsoft isn't keen on commiting suicide with how far they've come.
otherwise I wont even highlight all the disinformation you posted.

WilliamRLBaker

Already took care of the disinformation for you a couple of spaces up ^^^. :)

Am I forgetting anything?

istuffedsunny

Citations?

Easy since it's my best console this gen and very probable before it's all over, best console eveh plus the next MS console is sure to have my favorite franchises so yeah, unless something goes terribly wrong, day one buy. :P

[QUOTE="jtm33"][QUOTE="supdotcom"]

Why did everyone lose confidence in the ps3 after two generations of complete sony domination?

mysticstryk

I second jtm33's surprise. Playstation is still a very strong brand, and if sales hold true, the ps3 is gonna enjoy a second place finish this gen. (or first if you don't really count the wii as current gen hardware)

I'm not comparing the 360 and the PS3, I'm factoring in nintendo as well. If confidence in Sony is so high then why aren't they dominating once again in first place?

The PS2 was unreliable for a long time, but Sony fixed the problems for the PS3. Why did you have confidence in Sony this gen? lhughey

After my experience with the Xbox 360, I have no confidence in the Xbox brand. It's a shame, really. I got the system at launch and have since been through six of them before giving up. It's a system that I wanted to like. The games are great, but the hardware has been such a pain to deal with that I'm more than willing to do without at this point.

I miss the old dashboard : ( brings back good memories

but I have confidence and why do people call it 720, like microsoft will actually name it that :lol: no but seriously....if they do :|

So much fail TC. Next time, do a little research before making a fool of yourself. 3 out of 5 things you listed are just flat out wrong. The other two, one is a legit complaint (memory cards), however the ability to use USB flash drives is much better which you CAN do with all 360s.

The HD DVD add on, is exactly that, an ADD ON. Microsoft never had faith in either technology that's why they opted for an add on device and not the core of the 360. They still don't believe in Blu-ray, hence no add on.

Look, I am not going to pretend to understand why you hate a system you never played or owned. But even if these were true, they are extremely minor to my complaints about the PS3, which I have owned for almost three years now. And because of those reasons, I will not be getting a PS4.

[QUOTE="jtm33"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Because i refuse to buy dodgy sony software after 2 generations of them constantly bricking upon me constantly. had to give another console manufacturer a try.Dibdibdobdobo

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="jtm33"] And then you realised that the 360 is possibly the least reliable console hardware ever. Funny how that works out hey.Drakan11

my ps1 I went through about 5, the ps2 about 6 of them, the ps3 went through 1 *hdmi port died* my 360 went through 1, and my original xbox still worked till I sold it. Went through 2 nes, my snes lasted its entire life span till I sold it, genesis the same it lasted, saturn went through 2, dreamcast lasted forever, gamecube lasted till it finally died after 6 years it went 4 of those years without case screws, my Wii started giving me trouble and over heating and since I didn't play it I sold it purchased one on the extreme cheap later.

[QUOTE="istuffedsunny"]

- MS releases 360 launch units with no QA

- They release the HD DVD add on, now dead

- They release memory cards, unsupported by slim

- They release kinect, unsupported by fat

- Constant dashboard updates rendering purchased themes useless

Am I forgetting anything? It's an absolute mess. Do you think people will resist the urge to buy the 720 early or will they assume MS learns from their mistakes? Because supposedly they learned with the Xbox but then made a bunch more new ones.

loosingENDS

Because nearly all my gaming is on xbox 360 ?

The only one that gets all of Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Ryse, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Gears 1-2-3, Halo 1-2-3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Alan Wake, Project Draco, Dust Elysian Tale, FF13-2, Divinity 2, Banjo, Kameo, Pinata 1-2, Gunstringer, Crysis 1-2, PGR4, Forza 3-4 etc

Also has my favourite controller, online and Kinect that brings new immersion and gameplay ways in gaming

Xbox 720 is hands down the first system i will buy next gen day one, all others will have to prove themselves

Also now all of Fable 4, Forza 5, Gears 4, Alan Wake 2 are rumored to be in the making for xbox 720, making it my top console for next gen by miles already

This is like the 5th thread I've seen you in today where you listed the games on the Xbox that make it a great console, then a good most of those games are available on PS3 and/or PC.

Seriously, you can't be serious at this point.