How can anyone say Blu-ray is not needed? In the HD era, it clearly is needed.

X360 uses a LAST gen format (DVD) for the current high definition generation of games. Not good. We can already see games beginning to cut corners, such as GTAIV being smaller than San Andreas and lacking flight vehicles. Pathetic. I mean, DVD9 is essentially the same as the Wii discs! HD video requires a LOT more space (about 6 times that of SD video). If developers want to make large games, a high storage capacity is necessary. Even Hideo Kojima already said that MGS4 is pushing the boundaries of Blu-ray capacity.

Not to mention, a lot of X360 games such as Gears of War, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero are disappointingly short, presumably due to low storage capacity of DVD9. And don't say it's not needed just because Oblivion fit on DVD9. That game had notably harsh load times on the X360, which could have been avoided if it was on the Blu-ray Disc.

ummm.....no.  if you wish to beleive that, that's fine.  Games can be more than a disc long (i don't mind getting off the couch once every several hours). 

Also, your comment about Oblivion needing huge load times...that statement points out just how uninformed you really are.  If anything, dvd-9 has a much quicker load time than blu-ray does....now if you wanted to argue that MS screwed up by not making hard drives standard on all 360's, i'd have to agree with you.

yeah, this 20 inch RCA sittin in front of me needs the blu-ray. oh yeah.lespaul1919

Well it's your choice to not make the leap to HDTV.

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]yeah, this 20 inch RCA sittin in front of me needs the blu-ray. oh yeah.NYCgamer47

Well it's your choice to not make the leap to HDTV.

no. its my choice to pay for gas, electricity, internet, and school first. 

The games are shorter because of higher development costs. Devs and publishers want to take fewer risks. And a large reason for this is the intensive nature of creating HD graphics.

So guess what? The PS3 has the same problem. How long is Resistance again? 

You know Oblivions load times on the PS3 are much worst right. I agree more space is good but not needed. Also there is no way MGS4 is pushing any boundaries when it comes to space and if it is, it is to eliminate as much load time as possible on the PS3.

X360 uses a LAST gen format (DVD) for the current high definition generation of games. Not good. We can already see games beginning to cut corners, such as GTAIV being smaller than San Andreas and lacking flight vehicles. Pathetic. I mean, DVD9 is essentially the same as the Wii discs! HD video requires a LOT more space (about 6 times that of SD video). If developers want to make large games, a high storage capacity is necessary. Even Hideo Kojima already said that MGS4 is pushing the boundaries of Blu-ray capacity.

Not to mention, a lot of X360 games such as Gears of War, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero are disappointingly short, presumably due to low storage capacity of DVD9. And don't say it's not needed just because Oblivion fit on DVD9. That game had notably harsh load times on the X360, which could have been avoided if it was on the Blu-ray Disc.

NYCgamer47

You are wrong on so many fronts I don't know what to tell you.  First, please provide a link that states Rockstar dumbed down GTA to fit on the 360.  I am tired of PS3 fanboys making statments up with no proof.  Also, blu-ray will not help you with load times.  I am not even close to being the most knowledgable person on this forum when it comes to tech specs and what not; however, the standard HD on the PS3 makes the load times better, not blu-ray.  It is the downloading of content onto the HD that makes the PS3 have less load times.  What about switching vehicles in Motorstorm, that only takes forever.  Blu-ray (in the PS3) reads slower than the  360.  You are so misinformed it is not even funny. 

X360 uses a LAST gen format (DVD) for the current high definition generation of games. Not good. We can already see games beginning to cut corners, such as GTAIV being smaller than San Andreas and lacking flight vehicles. Pathetic. I mean, DVD9 is essentially the same as the Wii discs! HD video requires a LOT more space (about 6 times that of SD video). If developers want to make large games, a high storage capacity is necessary. Even Hideo Kojima already said that MGS4 is pushing the boundaries of Blu-ray capacity.

Not to mention, a lot of X360 games such as Gears of War, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero are disappointingly short, presumably due to low storage capacity of DVD9. And don't say it's not needed just because Oblivion fit on DVD9. That game had notably harsh load times on the X360, which could have been avoided if it was on the Blu-ray Disc.

NYCgamer47

You know, you're kind of the poster child for my argument that GameSpot members should not be allowed to post until they've reached at least level 3 (your level goes up just by reading a lot of posts).  This way, when someone does begin to post and/or create threads they are at least somewhat informed about what they are talking about.

Does the PS3's poor sales tell you anything about the necessity of Blu-Ray? If nobody sees it being such a need to go out and buy by far the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market in the form of the PS3, then should Sony have really put it in? I know they want to dominate the format wars, but neither HD-DVD nor Blu-Ray have large markets.

Blu-Ray can outsell HD-DVD all it wants it still can only sell to a very small market of people who own and/or use a Blu-Ray player. It's expensive to put into the PS3, raises its cost and then really does nothing for us other than playing movies and promising PS3 gamers the hope of one day having these super awesome games that can be held on bigger discs. PROOF SONY! If the PS3 had come out with a game showing the necessity of Blu-Ray, like MGS4 might, then maybe people would have been more into the concept.

But as of right now, with no proof and only a higher price, Blu-Ray is completely useless and should have been sold as a seperate item that you could add on to your PS3.

PC has been in the HD era even before Blu-Ray and HDD. PC doesn't need those because it has a standard HDD. Oh wait...all PS3's have a standard HDD as well...so why does PS3 need Blu-Ray again?

Crysis on DVD9 looks better then any PS3 game. Period. 

You know Oblivions load times on the PS3 are much worst right. I agree more space is good but not needed. Also there is no way MGS4 is pushing any boundaries when it comes to space and if it is, it is to eliminate as much load time as possible on the PS3.

wooooode

as for blu ray needed for gaming. i think its only needed for exclusive only, as for muli plat games i feel its not needed.

Cows can be so Dense sometimes. Look its like this. The limiting factor for the size of games is not the disc space it is the cost of creating the content. You honestly think that Devs are going to spend 2 to 3 times more on a project just so they can fill a Blue Ray disc?  You've lost your mind!! Downloadable Content has already proven to be a success. So what do you think is more likely Devs forking over the major production budget to fill a blue ray disc or use DLC to push more content???

In reality its pretty clear Blue-RAys only use is for Movie playback.

PC has been in the HD era even before Blu-Ray and HDD. PC doesn't need those because it has a standard HDD. Oh wait...all PS3's have a standard HDD as well...so why does PS3 need Blu-Ray again?

Crysis on DVD9 looks better then any PS3 game. Period.

Blackbond

i'm still waiting for sony to say bluray is needed for gaming.

their only claim is bluray is "true hd" movies...

no mention of gaming...

but it was fun watching the fanboys twist logic to equate movie playback capabilities to better graphics somehow...:roll:

if bluray was truly needed, 360 games on DVD9 wouldn't look better than ps3 games...

but they do..;)

X360 uses a LAST gen format (DVD) for the current high definition generation of games. Not good. We can already see games beginning to cut corners, such as GTAIV being smaller than San Andreas and lacking flight vehicles. Pathetic. I mean, DVD9 is essentially the same as the Wii discs! HD video requires a LOT more space (about 6 times that of SD video). If developers want to make large games, a high storage capacity is necessary. Even Hideo Kojima already said that MGS4 is pushing the boundaries of Blu-ray capacity.

Not to mention, a lot of X360 games such as Gears of War, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero are disappointingly short, presumably due to low storage capacity of DVD9. And don't say it's not needed just because Oblivion fit on DVD9. That game had notably harsh load times on the X360, which could have been avoided if it was on the Blu-ray Disc.

NYCgamer47

Ok, after 1 trailer of GTAIV were automatically assuming that its smaller then GTA:SA?. And GTA SA was 3 gigs on a DVD9 and last time i checked, it had flight vehicles. 

GBA and DS games don't need huge storage capacities and still entertain us ... that makes you wonder, no? All this no-sense about if HD or BR is not necessary ... it's about gaming and how developers make games.

I seem to be in the minority, but I actually agree that it's needed. People are claiming that HD will be relevant in 5-10 years, but prices of an HDTV have come down dramatically the last few years. I picked up a 34" Sony HDTV for only around $700 last year and I have to admit, it's a huge step up from standard TV. Everything is clearer, easier on the eyes, and just really gorgeous. I don't have a PS3 yet, but even just watching DVDs in 720p is a noticeable improvement. Being able to play games at 1080p on Blu-Ray would be fantastic.

I suppose it depends on priorities, though. Blu-ray allows for audio and video to be encoded in H.264, which is nice, but more importantly, supports DTS and Linear PCM (lossless audio). If I had a standard TV and nothing else, I probably wouldn't care, but for those of us with HDTV and surround sound, it makes games and movies that much more enjoyable. Beyond that, i'm sure at least a few developers appreciate the larger storage size, since it gives them that much more flexibility when designing their games.

Honestly, if a person can afford a $600 game console, it's a fair bet that they can afford a reasonably priced HDTV and A/V receiver. My girlfriend and I aren't even remotely rich, or even middle class - she works full-time and I go to school full-time - but we're also not children or teenagers. Prices on this stuff have come down enough that virtually any working, responsible adult (read: over 21, car payments, rent/mortgage, not living with parents, etc) can afford it. Given that the 360 Elite is nearly $500 retail, I wouldn't call $600 for a console that supports Blu-Ray all that horrendous.

ummm.....no. if you wish to beleive that, that's fine. Games can be more than a disc long (i don't mind getting off the couch once every several hours).

Also, your comment about Oblivion needing huge load times...that statement points out just how uninformed you really are. If anything, dvd-9 has a much quicker load time than blu-ray does....now if you wanted to argue that MS screwed up by not making hard drives standard on all 360's, i'd have to agree with you.

Eddie5vs1

Face it dude, Games being multiple discs is so 90s. Thats just like saying "I dont mind cassette tapes over CDs, im willing to rewind and  fast forward instead of just skipping to my favorite song" dude i cant even think of a multiple disc game that was made LAST GEN let alone going back to multiple discs games this gen.  

X360 uses a LAST gen format (DVD) for the current high definition generation of games. Not good. We can already see games beginning to cut corners, such as GTAIV being smaller than San Andreas and lacking flight vehicles. Pathetic. I mean, DVD9 is essentially the same as the Wii discs! HD video requires a LOT more space (about 6 times that of SD video). If developers want to make large games, a high storage capacity is necessary. Even Hideo Kojima already said that MGS4 is pushing the boundaries of Blu-ray capacity.

Not to mention, a lot of X360 games such as Gears of War, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero are disappointingly short, presumably due to low storage capacity of DVD9. And don't say it's not needed just because Oblivion fit on DVD9. That game had notably harsh load times on the X360, which could have been avoided if it was on the Blu-ray Disc.

NYCgamer47

it isn't the hd era yet, end topic

If Sony wanted, it could have kept DVD9's. Like previously mentioned, all PS3's have hard drives. So the only thing necessary to do is to extract and decompress the files on the DVD9 onto the hard drive. Hell, thats what theyre doing with some of their games already to circumvent the data transfer limitations of Blu-Ray.nytrospawn

Exactly. The TC has been owned so bad here, we may never see him in this thread again.  :lol:

I seem to be in the minority, but I actually agree that it's needed. People are claiming that HD will be relevant in 5-10 years, but prices of an HDTV have come down dramatically the last few years. I picked up a 34" Sony HDTV for only around $700 last year and I have to admit, it's a huge step up from standard TV. Everything is clearer, easier on the eyes, and just really gorgeous. I don't have a PS3 yet, but even just watching DVDs in 720p is a noticeable improvement. Being able to play games at 1080p would be fantastic.

I suppose it depends on priorities, though. Blu-ray allows for audio and video to be encoded in H.264, which is nice, but more importantly, supports DTS and Linear PCM (lossless audio). If I had a standard TV and nothing else, I probably wouldn't care, but for those of us with HDTV and surround sound, it makes games and movies that much more enjoyable. Beyond that, i'm sure at least a few developers appreciate the larger storage size, since it gives them that much more flexibility when designing their games.

Honestly, if a person can afford a $600 game console, it's a fair bet that they can afford a reasonably priced HDTV and A/V receiver. My girlfriend and I aren't even remotely rich, or even middle class - she works full-time and I go to school full-time - but we're also not children or teenagers. Prices on this stuff have come down enough that virtually any working, responsible adult (read: over 21, car payments, rent/mortgage, not living with parents, etc) can afford it.  Given that the 360 Elite is nearly $500 retail, I wouldn't call $600 for a console that supports Blu-Ray all that horrendous.

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