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#1 Mr-Kutaragi
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We know top CEO candidate and stockholder want to put Xbox brand to sleep, how do we prevent this? I think competition is good for industry and seem like Nintendo does not try despite all talent they posess. I willing to do everything short of buying Xbone.

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A rather weak thread.

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#3 Suppaman100
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If Xbox One fails, it will be the last Xbox console.

The facts:

http://www.zdnet.com/elop-could-sell-off-xbox-if-made-microsoft-ceo-claims-report-7000022978/

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http://microsoft-news.com/activist-shareholders-may-force-microsoft-to-sell-xbox-bing/

Important shareholder(s) + potential CEO of MS want to get rid of Xbox division.

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#4  Edited By Mr-Kutaragi
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@Suppaman100 said:

If Xbox One fails, it will be the last Xbox console.

The facts:

http://www.zdnet.com/elop-could-sell-off-xbox-if-made-microsoft-ceo-claims-report-7000022978/

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http://microsoft-news.com/activist-shareholders-may-force-microsoft-to-sell-xbox-bing/

Important shareholder(s) + potential CEO of MS want to get rid of Xbox division.

Look like it will be last MS console

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I guess Microsoft can pull a Sony and start selling their buildings to pay for their next project. Oh wait, I almost forgot, Microsoft is one of the biggest and richest businesses in the world. They could just buy Sony then if they saw any value to them.

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#6 Mr-Kutaragi
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@timbers_WSU: Probably only way MS can get decent first party.

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#7  Edited By chikenfriedrice
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Now you want to save MS.....how kind of you

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#8  Edited By Heil68
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I bet one of our resident master business analyst that SW's is full of could tell us.

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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU: Probably only way MS can get decent first party.

That a boy, show your ignorance. They have the top rated racing studio from the PS3 / 360 era, and 343. Sony's first party FPS have yet to surpass the worst Halo game in quality and 343 proved they can make good Halo games. Lionhead isn't a bad studio either. Black Tusk is showing promise as well.
Meanwhile at Sony you have Zipper, Studio Liverpool, Incognito, Eat Sleep Play, oh wait. No you don't.

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Microsoft deserves shutdown after the 54% failure rate of the 360. Microsoft makes me proud to be an american......NOT. It shits all over American pride.

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If sony hasnt been forced to se the playstation brand ms wont have to sell xbox. Ps loses way more money and the pool of money available is much smaller than what ms has.

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ryse will do it

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#13  Edited By psymon100
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@conkertheking1 said:

Microsoft deserves shutdown after the 54% failure rate of the 360. Microsoft makes me proud to be an american......NOT. It shits all over American pride.

Why is pride good?

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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

We know top CEO candidate and stockholder want to put Xbox brand to sleep, how do we prevent this? I think competition is good for industry and seem like Nintendo does not try despite all talent they posess. I willing to do everything short of buying Xbone.

You fake broken English is RACIST. STOP IT.

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@mtradr43 said:

If Sony hasn't been forced to see the Playstation brand M$ wont have to sell Sbox. PS loses way more money and the pool of money available is much smaller than what ms has.

actually Xbox loses more money.

http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml

Another difference is that Sony needs PlayStaion while MS don't give fucks about Xbox.

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Elop would have to be FUCKING BRAINDEAD to shut Xbox off - it could be a perfect bridge between home computers, smart TVs and tablets / smartphones. Only a zombie wouldn't be able to see it.

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I don't want to save the Xbox. I don't hate it, but I have no desire to save it.

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I laugh at people who want either company to fail, competition is always good, it makes both companies strive for a quality product that can compete or surpass the competitor's product.

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@timbers_WSU said:

@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU: Probably only way MS can get decent first party.

That a boy, show your ignorance. They have the top rated racing studio from the PS3 / 360 era, and 343. Sony's first party FPS have yet to surpass the worst Halo game in quality and 343 proved they can make good Halo games. Lionhead isn't a bad studio either. Black Tusk is showing promise as well.

Meanwhile at Sony you have Zipper, Studio Liverpool, Incognito, Eat Sleep Play, oh wait. No you don't.

I'm sorry you obvious joking or on illegal substance. Last AAA average exclusive MS put out is 2 year ago, and made by Epic not first party. Talking of ignorance, hahhaha. MS most talented developer like Ensemble shut down, and Bungie jump ship because they not wanting to go down with Titanic. Also, brag of Halo no longer AAA series after last game? Selfown.

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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU said:

@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU: Probably only way MS can get decent first party.

That a boy, show your ignorance. They have the top rated racing studio from the PS3 / 360 era, and 343. Sony's first party FPS have yet to surpass the worst Halo game in quality and 343 proved they can make good Halo games. Lionhead isn't a bad studio either. Black Tusk is showing promise as well.

Meanwhile at Sony you have Zipper, Studio Liverpool, Incognito, Eat Sleep Play, oh wait. No you don't.

I'm sorry you obvious joking or on illegal substance. Last AAA average exclusive MS put out is 2 year ago, and made by Epic not first party. Talking of ignorance, hahhaha. MS most talented developer like Ensemble shut down, and Bungie jump ship because they not wanting to go down with Titanic. Also, brag of Halo no longer AAA series after last game? Selfown.

I have no fucking clue what I just read.

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Microsoft can easily save Xbox. Just set up more internal developers, to work on more exclusive games and make said exclusives unique, oh, and don't all but stop making exclusives 3-4 years into the systems cycle, keep finding ways to surprise us and keep our attention.

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#22  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU said:

@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU: Probably only way MS can get decent first party.

That a boy, show your ignorance. They have the top rated racing studio from the PS3 / 360 era, and 343. Sony's first party FPS have yet to surpass the worst Halo game in quality and 343 proved they can make good Halo games. Lionhead isn't a bad studio either. Black Tusk is showing promise as well.

Meanwhile at Sony you have Zipper, Studio Liverpool, Incognito, Eat Sleep Play, oh wait. No you don't.

I'm sorry you obvious joking or on illegal substance. Last AAA average exclusive MS put out is 2 year ago, and made by Epic not first party. Talking of ignorance, hahhaha. MS most talented developer like Ensemble shut down, and Bungie jump ship because they not wanting to go down with Titanic. Also, brag of Halo no longer AAA series after last game? Selfown.

I guess you don't know what the definition of an AAA game is. Let me define it for you.

Definition:

A AAA game, or pronounced "triple-A game", is generally a title developed by a large studio, funded by a massive budget.

Source: http://gameindustry.about.com/od/glossary/g/Aaa-Game.htm

BTW, Forza 4 came out two years ago too and it is an AAA game, as with Halo 4 which came out last year. I bet you never played Halo 4, so your opinion does not count. Contrary to what you believe, Halo is still a massively popular franchise, grossing $220 million dollars on launch day, and $300 million dollars during launch week.

Forza 4 - 91 metacritic

Halo 4 - 87 metacritic

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@timbers_WSU said:

@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU said:

@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU: Probably only way MS can get decent first party.

That a boy, show your ignorance. They have the top rated racing studio from the PS3 / 360 era, and 343. Sony's first party FPS have yet to surpass the worst Halo game in quality and 343 proved they can make good Halo games. Lionhead isn't a bad studio either. Black Tusk is showing promise as well.

Meanwhile at Sony you have Zipper, Studio Liverpool, Incognito, Eat Sleep Play, oh wait. No you don't.

I'm sorry you obvious joking or on illegal substance. Last AAA average exclusive MS put out is 2 year ago, and made by Epic not first party. Talking of ignorance, hahhaha. MS most talented developer like Ensemble shut down, and Bungie jump ship because they not wanting to go down with Titanic. Also, brag of Halo no longer AAA series after last game? Selfown.

I have no fucking clue what I just read.

You always saying that when lose debate. TLHBO

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@CloudStrife213:

You are confusing marketing AAA with gaming AAA. AAA- 9 above, AA- 8, A-7. No studio says "We are develop AA or A title." Sorry, I forget about Forza that year. My mistake, at least you admit 2 years ago however.

I play Halo 4, I like but many hardcore fan abandon and reviewer penalize for becoming too "COD." Developer having to do massive updates and youtube campaign to bring gamer back. Maybe next halo will be AAA and learn from mistake.

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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

We know top CEO candidate and stockholder want to put Xbox brand to sleep, how do we prevent this? I think competition is good for industry and seem like Nintendo does not try despite all talent they posess. I willing to do everything short of buying Xbone.

Than you're not interested in "saving" the xbox brand. How else do you support a brand? Writing things on a forum?

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@Gue1 said:

@mtradr43 said:

If Sony hasn't been forced to see the Playstation brand M$ wont have to sell Sbox. PS loses way more money and the pool of money available is much smaller than what ms has.

actually Xbox loses more money.

http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml

Another difference is that Sony needs PlayStaion while MS don't give fucks about Xbox.

I believe that article was proven wrong. MS did not lose 2 billion a year on the Xbox brand.

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#27  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@CloudStrife213:

You are confusing marketing AAA with gaming AAA. AAA- 9 above, AA- 8, A-7. No studio says "We are develop AA or A title." Sorry, I forget about Forza that year. My mistake, at least you admit 2 years ago however.

I play Halo 4, I like but many hardcore fan abandon and reviewer penalize for becoming too "COD." Developer having to do massive updates and youtube campaign to bring gamer back. Maybe next halo will be AAA and learn from mistake.

The definition I gave is an industry definition of an AAA game, where did you get that criteria that an AAA game must be 9 above? Please cite a source that the industry considers a game that is 9 above an AAA game.

The video game industry considers AAA games as a game that sells a lot, and has a big team, with a large budget. You have just made your own definition as to what an AAA game is.

An 87 on metacritic is already a very high quality game, especially because Halo 4 has 87 reviews on metacritic by professional critics. Halo 4 has also sold millions of copies, and generated a large revenue for Microsoft and developers. So it is an AAA game.

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I guess Microsoft can pull a Sony and start selling their buildings to pay for their next project. Oh wait, I almost forgot, Microsoft is one of the biggest and richest businesses in the world. They could just buy Sony then if they saw any value to them.

Sony's assets (thanks to inventing the CD, poularizing bluray, patents)>>> Microsoft as a whole.

http://www.stock-analysis-on.net/NYSE/Company/Sony-Corp/Financial-Statement/Assets

Sony's Assets worth 161.767 billion dollars

http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Microsoft_(MSFT)/Data/Total_Assets

Microsoft's assets worth 142.35 billion dollars

Microsoft couldn't afford to buy Sony obviously your 3rd rate education hasn't served you well.

In case you didn't know assets are things we own (or have control over) that have value. Money in our bank account is an asset. It's a very "liquid asset" because we can spend it right now.

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#30 Mr-Kutaragi
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@CloudStrife213 said:

@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@CloudStrife213:

You are confusing marketing AAA with gaming AAA. AAA- 9 above, AA- 8, A-7. No studio says "We are develop AA or A title." Sorry, I forget about Forza that year. My mistake, at least you admit 2 years ago however.

I play Halo 4, I like but many hardcore fan abandon and reviewer penalize for becoming too "COD." Developer having to do massive updates and youtube campaign to bring gamer back. Maybe next halo will be AAA and learn from mistake.

The definition I gave is an industry definition of an AAA game, where did you get that criteria that an AAA game must be 9 above? Please cite a source that the industry considers a game that is 9 above an AAA game.

The video game industry considers AAA games as a game that sells a lot, and has a big team, with a large budget. You have just made your own definition as to what an AAA game is.

An 87 on metacritic is already a very high quality game, especially because Halo 4 has 87 reviews on metacritic by professional critics. Halo 4 has also sold millions of copies, and generated a large revenue for Microsoft and developers. So it is an AAA game.

That is marketing term for publisher. I did not make AAA is 9, this is common on forum. Why would I make this, what is motivation of creating and what do I win from this haha. Lems going mad. I do not even know why lemming argue over such little thing, maybe because so long since you get AAA game you no longer using term.

I do not deny halo 4 is quality game. High AA is very good, just not AAA like previous halo. You can call B+ game instead of AA if this make you happy. Please, no more crying and butthurt in my thread and changing topic.

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Huge lol from me.

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@Heil68 said:

I bet one of our resident master business analyst that SW's is full of could tell us.

The fact there are 5 candidates and 1 is external means there is more than one option to pick for CEO. There is also no guarantee that the CEO will sell Xbox either.

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#33  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@Mr-Kutaragi:

So you admit you made your own definition? Makes sense. A lot of people have been misusing the term AAA, when they don't even understand the definition of it. Just because somebody on the forum says it is that way, doesn't mean that the industry defines it that way.

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#34 Mr-Kutaragi
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@CloudStrife213 said:

@Mr-Kutaragi:

So you admit you made your own definition? Makes sense. A lot of people have been misusing the term AAA, when they don't even understand the definition of it. Just because somebody on the forum says it is that way, doesn't mean that the industry defines it that way.

lol silly lemming contradict himself in next sentence. You again twist word saying that I made up term, then next sentence you admit a lot of people also use this term, selfown. Are you saying I am powerful and all these user follow me in using this term? Haha.

You can be slave to marketing department and follow, this is the nature of a lemming. Call B+ if this make you happy. AAA is term gamer use, as you admit. Instead of arguing of B-, B, B+, typing 8+ average, 9+ average. AAA and AA make thing easier and common to gamer. Now, back to topic and no more crying of this.

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#35  Edited By Netherscourge
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CoD and GTA will carry the Xbox One, like it did all last gen.

In other words, Activision and Rockstar make too much money off these consoles to let either brand die.

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#36  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@Mr-Kutaragi said:
@CloudStrife213 said:

@Mr-Kutaragi:

So you admit you made your own definition? Makes sense. A lot of people have been misusing the term AAA, when they don't even understand the definition of it. Just because somebody on the forum says it is that way, doesn't mean that the industry defines it that way.

lol silly lemming contradict himself in next sentence. You again twist word saying that I made up term, then next sentence you admit a lot of people also use this term, selfown. Are you saying I am powerful and all these user follow me in using this term? Haha.

You can be slave to marketing department and follow, this is the nature of a lemming. Call B+ if this make you happy. AAA is term gamer use, as you admit. Instead of arguing of B-, B, B+, typing 8+ average, 9+ average. AAA and AA make thing easier and common to gamer. Now, back to topic and no more crying of this.

Do you even know what misusing means? Right now, you are misusing the term AAA. You made your own definition by saying 9+ games are AAA games. when in fact the industry considers AAA games as large budget quality games with a large team and significant amount of sales.

I didn't say you made the wrong definition for others, but that you made a wrong definition of the term AAA for yourself.

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@CloudStrife213 said:
So you admit you made your own definition? Makes sense. A lot of people have been misusing the term AAA, when they don't even understand the definition of it. Just because somebody on the forum says it is that way, doesn't mean that the industry defines it that way.

I made it up yet you admit many people on forum use. Please make up mind and stop selfowning. Go cry in corner with B+ and being lemming to marketing dept.

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#38  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@CloudStrife213 said:
So you admit you made your own definition? Makes sense. A lot of people have been misusing the term AAA, when they don't even understand the definition of it. Just because somebody on the forum says it is that way, doesn't mean that the industry defines it that way.

I made it up yet you admit many people on forum use. Please make up mind and stop selfowning. Go cry in corner with B+ and being lemming to marketing dept.

Ok, so you didn't make it up, but you misused the term because you never bothered to check what the term truly means. You know the way that people use the term is wrong, but still use the term that way. Typical.

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#39 Mr-Kutaragi
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@CloudStrife213:

Apologize to me for this deception.

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#40  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@CloudStrife213:

Apologize to me for this deception.

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I don't need to apologize for anything. Especially because your feeble mind can't comprehend what the term truly means.

Even if you know that it is wrongly defined, you still use it. Or maybe you didn't know it was wrongly defined because you believe everything you read on the internet.

In any case, you have no one to blame but yourself.

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@CloudStrife213:

You admit to selfownage and shaming your family, and now posting picture of yourself. You are lemming and act as such, following marketing dept because unable to think for yourself. "Wah wah everyone is wrong in using AAA and they need to stop waa!"

Please stop crying in my thread. B+ for you now be happy.

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#42  Edited By deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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Have them stop raping their consumers, get rid of the kinect and start making good use of the brilliant IP's they have laying around. Get some talented game developers on board.

Let Yukio Futatsugi make whatever the hell he wants, not some uninspired Kinect disgrace version of Panzer dragoon. He could make another Phantom dust, or anything else. They should stop paying for useless things like timed DLC and shitty outsourced games like Dead Rising, which with the money they spend on this shit they could actually do everything I just said instead.

I realize i'm talking about something completely different here, but just wanted to say how shit MS is. The Xbox one will sell just fine all the same, though I probably won't contribute.

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#43  Edited By kingtito
Member since 2003 • 11775 Posts

@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@CloudStrife213:

You admit to selfownage and shaming your family, and now posting picture of yourself. You are lemming and act as such, following marketing dept because unable to think for yourself. "Wah wah everyone is wrong in using AAA and they need to stop waa!"

Please stop crying in my thread. B+ for you now be happy.

Wow, you're an idiot. Bad troll is bad.

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#44 clone01
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I think if you stop posting it will rectify the perceived problem.

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#45 SinjinSmythe
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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

We know top CEO candidate and stockholder want to put Xbox brand to sleep, how do we prevent this? I think competition is good for industry and seem like Nintendo does not try despite all talent they posess. I willing to do everything short of buying Xbone.