How Can You Honestly Blame 360 Defects on the Users?

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

It says quite vividly in the instruction manual to give the 360 room to breathe and not to move it while it is running. Many of these incidents are end-user's fault.foxhound_fox

Stop denying it, you're only hurting your own kind.

i can understand when a console breaks down but when people start saying they are on their 5th and 6th xbox 360 something has to be wrong. maybe they aren't throwing it down the stairs but they are doing something they shouldn't. i've had my 360 for about a year and had zero problems with it.ItalStallion777

So lemmings think that its the users fault that hardware breaks, you heard it here folks. More fragile than a glass vase, more or less right?

It says quite vividly in the instruction manual to give the 360 room to breathe and not to move it while it is running. Many of these incidents are end-user's fault.foxhound_fox

How would you know that? You have no proof, all we have is a bunch of broken 360s.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It says quite vividly in the instruction manual to give the 360 room to breathe and not to move it while it is running. Many of these incidents are end-user's fault.OXIIIIXO

How would you know that? You have no proof, all we have is a bunch of broken 360s.

There isn't any proof that its just the hardware or if the users are damaging it.  If you claim its the 360's fault that is just assuming and if you claim its the users fault then you are assuming.  It works both ways and we'll never know.  Mine is a launch console and going strong to this day.   

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]i can understand when a console breaks down but when people start saying they are on their 5th and 6th xbox 360 something has to be wrong. maybe they aren't throwing it down the stairs but they are doing something they shouldn't. i've had my 360 for about a year and had zero problems with it.thedarkomen

So lemmings think that its the users fault that hardware breaks, you heard it here folks. More fragile than a glass vase, more or less right?

so you are saying that because you didn't see a video on youtube of someone mistreating their 360 it doesn't happen? and yes it CAN be the owners fault if something goes wrong. y do think this can't happen?

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]i can understand when a console breaks down but when people start saying they are on their 5th and 6th xbox 360 something has to be wrong. maybe they aren't throwing it down the stairs but they are doing something they shouldn't. i've had my 360 for about a year and had zero problems with it.thedarkomen

So lemmings think that its the users fault that hardware breaks, you heard it here folks. More fragile than a glass vase, more or less right?

it seems like you are on the warpath trying to make the 360 look bad.  The ps2 was no better.  So just give it up already.  These threads are getting old.  Just leave it alone. 

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It says quite vividly in the instruction manual to give the 360 room to breathe and not to move it while it is running. Many of these incidents are end-user's fault.sirk1264

How would you know that? You have no proof, all we have is a bunch of broken 360s.

There isn't any proof that its just the hardware or if the users are damaging it.  If you claim its the 360's fault that is just assuming and if you claim its the users fault then you are assuming.  It works both ways and we'll never know.  Mine is a launch console and going strong to this day.   

Exactly, but it's still bad news for MS.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It says quite vividly in the instruction manual to give the 360 room to breathe and not to move it while it is running. Many of these incidents are end-user's fault.OXIIIIXO

How would you know that? You have no proof, all we have is a bunch of broken 360s.

There isn't any proof that its just the hardware or if the users are damaging it. If you claim its the 360's fault that is just assuming and if you claim its the users fault then you are assuming. It works both ways and we'll never know. Mine is a launch console and going strong to this day.

Exactly, but it's still bad news for MS.

While its not a good thing for consoles to break down you have to understand that new technologies are never stable.  Some are worse than others.  I'm sure that there are wii's and ps3's breaking too but the main thing is sony fans and nintendo fans don't come running to gaming forums asking for help from people with no knowledge of the hardware inside.  If your 360 breaks look through your manual and call the 1800myxbox number and get your explainations there.  They will know more about their product then us owners of the console.  We didn't build it so we have no knowledge of the hardware inside.   

they are just milking us just like ps2. they dont want to fix 360s flawa cus they want people to rebuy ore fix there systemdeadmeat59

I bet you though that if there were no defects for the ps2 that its user base would be cut in half at most.  Microsoft could have taken a page out of sony's notebook and could be doing the same thing.  But we'll never know.   

Look at these excuses.

Well yeah, I mean when the Wii came out, just about a huge percentage of them died, same with the PS3, you know new hardware,...... oh wait. 

Deny it all you want, but you better tell MS to fix this rather than make excuses for them. 

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]they are just milking us just like ps2. they dont want to fix 360s flawa cus they want people to rebuy ore fix there systemsirk1264

I bet you though that if there were no defects for the ps2 that its user base would be cut in half at most.  Microsoft could have taken a page out of sony's notebook and could be doing the same thing.  But we'll never know.   

 Actually, no MS didn't take 5 years and losing a class action lawsuit before acknoledging and addressing the problem. Funny thing about the hypocrites that continue this smear campaign have developed selective amnesia over it....

Look at these excuses.

Well yeah, I mean when the Wii came out, just about a huge percentage of them died, same with the PS3, you know new hardware,...... oh wait. 

Deny it all you want, but you better tell MS to fix this rather than make excuses for them. 

thedarkomen

 So, did you have such an outcry over Sony with the PS2?

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It says quite vividly in the instruction manual to give the 360 room to breathe and not to move it while it is running. Many of these incidents are end-user's fault.sirk1264

How would you know that? You have no proof, all we have is a bunch of broken 360s.

There isn't any proof that its just the hardware or if the users are damaging it.  If you claim its the 360's fault that is just assuming and if you claim its the users fault then you are assuming.  It works both ways and we'll never know.  Mine is a launch console and going strong to this day.   

Im sorry but a console that sits on a shelf 24 hours a day and the only time its actually been moved was when it was placed there and the only thing touched is the eject button and the disc tray. I dont see how you can break a console when it just sits doing its tasks.

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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]they are just milking us just like ps2. they dont want to fix 360s flawa cus they want people to rebuy ore fix there systemDXGreat1_HGL

I bet you though that if there were no defects for the ps2 that its user base would be cut in half at most. Microsoft could have taken a page out of sony's notebook and could be doing the same thing. But we'll never know.

Actually, no MS didn't take 5 years and losing a class action lawsuit before acknoledging and addressing the problem. Funny thing about the hypocrites that continue this smear campaign have developed selective amnesia over it....

True microsoft did address the problem and admit that the launch consoles are faulty but we don't know what goes on behind closed doors at microsoft.  They are trying to win the console war and sell the most units.  Until we start seeing improvements in the hardware though all we can speculate is that microsoft is taking a page out of the sony handbook and not fixing the problems just to sell multiple units to one consumer and raise their total sold to look like their user base is growing when it actually isn't.   

2 things are most def user error.

1. picking up your 360 while its got a disk in it and playing the game.... you should be doing just that playing the game, not messing with your 360 while the game is on.... scratched disks like that are your own fault.

2. Putting your 360 in a Entertainment Cabinet and closing the doors, to let it cook like a oven is just plain dumb, and I have seen so many people do this its sad.   Common sense people electronics produce heat, and they need to breathe.

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It says quite vividly in the instruction manual to give the 360 room to breathe and not to move it while it is running. Many of these incidents are end-user's fault.DSgamer64

How would you know that? You have no proof, all we have is a bunch of broken 360s.

There isn't any proof that its just the hardware or if the users are damaging it. If you claim its the 360's fault that is just assuming and if you claim its the users fault then you are assuming. It works both ways and we'll never know. Mine is a launch console and going strong to this day.

Im sorry but a console that sits on a shelf 24 hours a day and the only time its actually been moved was when it was placed there and the only thing touched is the eject button and the disc tray. I dont see how you can break a console when it just sits doing its tasks.

Not everyone just lets their 360 sit there.  You be surprised that there are people that actually move it.  So hence it could be the users fault.  But again we will never know cause we weren't there when the console broke.  So its all speculation and assumptions when it comes to a console breaking.   

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

thedarkomen

As an gamer, I pointed this out awhile back. People will not believe you until they experience the "red light of death". Then they (just like you) will post on these forums screaming but no-one believes you.

It is gamer's canabolism.

[QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

Look at these excuses.

Well yeah, I mean when the Wii came out, just about a huge percentage of them died, same with the PS3, you know new hardware,...... oh wait.

Deny it all you want, but you better tell MS to fix this rather than make excuses for them.

DXGreat1_HGL

So, did you have such an outcry over Sony with the PS2?

When people are on their 5th+ Xbox 360 and another is still on their first, perhaps even launch, its kinda strange. Not saying the hardware might have its faults, but it constantly dies on you, perhaps its a repeating process.

My roommate's dead 360 was entirely his fault. He placed it in an enclosed space, placed the tape used to seal the game boxes shut over one of the exhaust vents, then picked up and tilted it while it was on and there was a disk in the tray.

Doesn't get much more user-responsible than that, in my opinion

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

Look at these excuses.

Well yeah, I mean when the Wii came out, just about a huge percentage of them died, same with the PS3, you know new hardware,...... oh wait.

Deny it all you want, but you better tell MS to fix this rather than make excuses for them.

thedarkomen

So, did you have such an outcry over Sony with the PS2?

 So you've proven that your argument holds no validity whatsoever. /thread

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

thedarkomen

Its the hardwares fault, I had mine since launch and I kept it properly ventilated and it never messed up once, until one day I just put my game in, started playing and it froze with all these weird lines going down the screen, I turn it off then back on and then it got the 3 red lights, so right now its shipped off the get it fixed for $168 canadian which is bs btw! MS probably knows that its their fault but wont do anything, and you know why? Because of all the money they get to make off of repairs/ replacements! I love my 360 but this is just bs!

[QUOTE="thedarkomen"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

Look at these excuses.

Well yeah, I mean when the Wii came out, just about a huge percentage of them died, same with the PS3, you know new hardware,...... oh wait.

Deny it all you want, but you better tell MS to fix this rather than make excuses for them.

DXGreat1_HGL

So, did you have such an outcry over Sony with the PS2?

So you've proven that your argument holds no validity whatsoever. /thread

Huh? I wasn't around thinking about games, but I was a casual, and I knew about the DRE issue, but common man, this shouldn't be happening all the time.

But I guess its ok that hardware fails this often. Yeah, its all a coincidence, totally dude. /sarcasm  

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="thedarkomen"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

Look at these excuses.

Well yeah, I mean when the Wii came out, just about a huge percentage of them died, same with the PS3, you know new hardware,...... oh wait.

Deny it all you want, but you better tell MS to fix this rather than make excuses for them.

thedarkomen

So, did you have such an outcry over Sony with the PS2?

So you've proven that your argument holds no validity whatsoever. /thread

Huh? I wasn't around thinking about games, but I was a casual, and I knew about the DRE issue, but common man, this shouldn't be happening all the time.

But I guess its ok that hardware fails this often. Yeah, its all a coincidence, totally dude. /sarcasm  

 So you knew about the PS2 DRE problem and 'wan't hinking about it' but now you care about the 360. You are now being a hypocrite. Your argument is no longer valid based on your obvious bias...

It wasn't the user's fault.  Maybe some of the defects were, but I highly doubt that most defects were the fault of the user. 

If people are truly just misstreating their 360's to the point that they break, and its all on the consumer end, then how come we aren't seeing just as many reports of ps3s and Wiis breaking down?  Obviously the 360 is more prone to malfunctions than the other 2 consoles.  I blame MS for making a console that is so fragile that the users HAVE to take such great care of it.

I bet that about 50% is user fault.

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

thedarkomen

It is blown out of proportin. It is a higher than normal number of defects, but not anywhere near as much as people make it out to be. i would guess along the order of 5 percent. 

[QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

snyper1982

It is blown out of proportin. It is a higher than normal number of defects, but not anywhere near as much as people make it out to be. i would guess along the order of 5 percent.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It says quite vividly in the instruction manual to give the 360 room to breathe and not to move it while it is running. Many of these incidents are end-user's fault.OXIIIIXO

How would you know that? You have no proof, all we have is a bunch of broken 360s.

You have no proof otherwise either. So what is your point? 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

thedarkomen

It is blown out of proportin. It is a higher than normal number of defects, but not anywhere near as much as people make it out to be. i would guess along the order of 5 percent.

I said it is higher than normal.... 5% is a LOT of xboxes.... Do the math. Some people make it sound like every other xbox is breaking down though. 

[QUOTE="thedarkomen"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

snyper1982

It is blown out of proportin. It is a higher than normal number of defects, but not anywhere near as much as people make it out to be. i would guess along the order of 5 percent.

I said it is higher than normal.... 5% is a LOT of xboxes.... Do the math. Some people make it sound like every other xbox is breaking down though.

[QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

bri360

Its the hardwares fault, I had mine since launch and I kept it properly ventilated and it never messed up once, until one day I just put my game in, started playing and it froze with all these weird lines going down the screen, I turn it off then back on and then it got the 3 red lights, so right now its shipped off the get it fixed for $168 canadian which is bs btw! MS probably knows that its their fault but wont do anything, and you know why? Because of all the money they get to make off of repairs/ replacements! I love my 360 but this is just bs!

it pretty obvious when you look at the size of the fans and the heatsink of a radeon x300 on the gpu that there is a serious design flaw

I bet that about 50% is user fault.

 

PS3_3DO

then can you expian  why a intel celeron has a bigger fan than x360 has to cool both the gpu and the cpu, those tiny 40mm fans in x360 are way to small to more any significant?

I see this all the time in another industry and it's pretty much the same result.  People that come in to get there cars fixed always swear up and down they treated there cars well and it must be shoddy parts that killed there car because they never make a mistake.

Normally when I go to check the oil it's a completely different story.  I would say 90% of the cars I looked at had bad oil in them that looked like it hadn't been changed for years.  When I first started I would confront car owners about it, but they'd get so pissed off, and defensive it wasn't even worth it.

I seen too many videos and pics of mistreated dead 360's...

From sitting on carpets to electronics sitting on top of them.

User error is a big problem with dead 360's.

For some time I was totally in the stupid end user side of this one until the evidence piled up the the 360 was just not designed all that well. While I still do believe that consumers make the problem worse than it should be in the final analysis MS should have built better hardware.

That being said you would have to be pretty stubborn to not buy the extended warrenty have the system protected for three years and enjoy the games that are out for it. I went through three PS2s last gen and am not going to cry about the fact that I will most likley have to go through three or four 360s this gen.

I guess to me the killer games outweigh the shoddy hardware.

Because people like Lex and Terry. I was listening to them talk about their 360 overheating...but they had it in between the tv and shelf in a closed glass case. Thats why most of it is the users fault.jfkunrendered

UGH, those guys suck.  They replaced a really good radio show (The Hideout) down here in central Florida with the morning recording of those idiots. 

 Anyway, on topic, a lot of these red lights of death problems are NOT user related.  My 360 broke down last month, and I keep it on an open shelf with plenty of ventillation.  It's rumored that there is a bad solder job that degrades when the 360 cools down after use.

I can see how some problems can definately be user generated (Come on, we've seen people throw their wiimote into their TV's, they could do anything) but the hardware is also faulty.

On a side note, Bungie would have their sense of humour proved if they have the three red lights of doom flash after using some control panel in halo 3.