How come Sam and Max is counted into the AA list but Braid and Geo Wars 2 dont?

It's really jarring to me that Braid and Geo Wars apprently don't count as "real" games because they are 15$ or whatever, but Sam and Max is 10$ an episode. Yet it still counts? It's even lower than Braid and Castle Crashers, but for some reason it counts. If your doing that, either count in XBLA/PSN/Wii ware games or kick off any budget games you have for the PC, and that includes stuff such as Half Life episode 1, expansion packs and anything else because through people they are technically not "real" games because they are 30$ not 50$ or 60$.

All I have to end with this is... what the hell.

Would you like to compare HL 2 EP One to braid side by side?Espada12

I know, I'm wondering the same thing lol.

This thread will end well, I can tell.

Would you like to compare HL 2 EP One to braid side by side?Espada12

Then you should be asking yourself how can Galactic Civilizations be compared to Gears of War, or Oblivion.

I dunno, Penny Arcade can be compared to Sam and Max.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Would you like to compare HL 2 EP One to braid side by side?insanejedi

Then you should be asking yourself how can Galactic Civilizations be compared to Gears of War, or Oblivion.

I dunno, Penny Arcade can be compared to Sam and Max.

I don't know about you but Strategy games are compared to other strategy games not FPS and RPGS.

HL2 EP 1 & 2 are part of the orange box, so that is irrelevant, however, if sam and max can count as a $10 downloadable game, i think all xbla and psn games should count.Il_Exile_lI

But Half Life Episode 2 is listed as it's own AA. And why is the Ship is too? Thats a 15$ game too. None of this makes sense.

Would you like to compare HL 2 EP One to braid side by side?Espada12

Now Episode Two on the other hand, is another story.

let the sheep have some fresh air over here...

They really need it...

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Would you like to compare HL 2 EP One to braid side by side?Espada12

Then you should be asking yourself how can Galactic Civilizations be compared to Gears of War, or Oblivion.

I dunno, Penny Arcade can be compared to Sam and Max.

I don't know about you but Strategy games are compared to other strategy games not FPS and RPGS.

I know, they cant, but counting up AA, and AAA's even though "techically" they cannot be compared to each other, I found a flaw in the system of regarding and disregarding certain games.

Wait, so you're saying that Geo Wars 2 should be compared to the likes of Crysis: Warhead, STALKER: Clear Skies, Call of Duty: UO, and TESIV:O-Shivering Isles just because they don't cost as much yet offer more value for the cost?Saturos3091

Wait, so you're saying that Geo Wars 2 should be compared to the likes of Crysis: Warhead, STALKER: Clear Skies, Call of Duty: UO, and TESIV:O-Shivering Isles just because they don't cost as much yet offer more value for the cost?Saturos3091

You are missing the point. Either XBLA games and PSN games should count or discount pc games like Sam and Max shouldn't.

Well at least to something like Sam and Max, I mean, the big barrier for accepting Live Arcade games into the mix is that, "Oh, no way you should compare a 15$ game to a 60$ one!" But you people are already doing that anyways with the PC section! Sam and Max episodes are 10$, the Ship is 15$ and expansion packs are 30$. Explain to me why they are being counted??insanejedi

Woever said that is wrong. That's not the reason you shouldn't compare them. There are better and actually legitimate reasons.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Wait, so you're saying that Geo Wars 2 should be compared to the likes of Crysis: Warhead, STALKER: Clear Skies, Call of Duty: UO, and TESIV:O-Shivering Isles just because they don't cost as much yet offer more value for the cost?Sparky04

You are missing the point. Either XBLA games and PSN games should count or discount pc games like Sam and Max shouldn't.

It has nothing to do with price. The Geo Wars and Braid are arcadey games. They shouldn't be included because they are incomparable. If we wanted to count them, GS would have to rate all of the arcadey games for PC... going to every website and downloading every single game of that calibur. as it stands, the grounds are uneven. Hence why the PSN and XBL games should not count.

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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Wait, so you're saying that Geo Wars 2 should be compared to the likes of Crysis: Warhead, STALKER: Clear Skies, Call of Duty: UO, and TESIV:O-Shivering Isles just because they don't cost as much yet offer more value for the cost?organic_machine

You are missing the point. Either XBLA games and PSN games should count or discount pc games like Sam and Max shouldn't.

It has nothing to do with price. The Geo Wars and Braid are arcadey games. They shouldn't be included because they are incomparable. If we wanted to count them, GS would have to rate all of the arcadey games for PC... going to every website and downloading every single game of that calibur. as it stands, the grounds are uneven. Hence why the PSN and XBL games should not count.

Thats subjective. You need an Objective criteria if you are to order these games, you can't just say this one is arcady so it doesn't count. Theoretically if Ratchet and Clanck Quest for Booty got an 8.0 I highly wonder if it would count as an AAE, same with Penny Arcade adventures. The Sam and Max games are 10$ and so are games on PSN and XBLA, why can't they count? Same price, same deal. If they haven't, reviewers should start rating them similarly to 10$ or 15$ games same with the 10$, 20$ and 30$ PC games they have been doing for budget PC games for years.

Thats subjective. You need an Objective criteria if you are to order these games, you can't just say this one is arcady so it doesn't count. Theoretically if Ratchet and Clanck Quest for Booty got an 8.0 I highly wonder if it would count as an AAE, same with Penny Arcade adventures. The Sam and Max games are 10$ and so are games on PSN and XBLA, why can't they count? Same price, same deal. If they haven't, reviewers should start rating them similarly to 10$ or 15$ games same with the 10$, 20$ and 30$ PC games they have been doing for budget PC games for years.

insanejedi

It has nothing to do with price. I can get a discount on a 50 dollard game and get it for ten bucks. Is it suddenly the same calibur as a PSN game? NO. It's a bloody PSN game. It only counts when comparing it to XBLA games and WiiWaire games. They are not the high production games. Here's some criteria, if you can get it in a disk format, it counts. Is that objective enough for ya?

let the sheep have some fresh air over here...

They really need it...

Giancar

This is about the PC not Nintendo...What are you talking about?

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

Thats subjective. You need an Objective criteria if you are to order these games, you can't just say this one is arcady so it doesn't count. Theoretically if Ratchet and Clanck Quest for Booty got an 8.0 I highly wonder if it would count as an AAE, same with Penny Arcade adventures. The Sam and Max games are 10$ and so are games on PSN and XBLA, why can't they count? Same price, same deal. If they haven't, reviewers should start rating them similarly to 10$ or 15$ games same with the 10$, 20$ and 30$ PC games they have been doing for budget PC games for years.

organic_machine

It has nothing to do with price. I can get a discount on a 50 dollard game and get it for ten bucks. Is it suddenly the same calibur as a PSN game? NO. It's a bloody PSN game. It only counts when comparing it to XBLA games and WiiWaire games. They are not the high production games. Here's some criteria, if you can get it in a disk format, it counts. Is that objective enough for ya?

By that logic you just excluded sam and max, the game in question, and not to mention countless games only available through steam

AudioSurf?

Tank Universal?

Trials 2?

Sam and Max? (retail)

Garry's Mod?

Darwinia? (retail)

Defcon? (retail)

There are loads of DLC titles out there that get no attention whatsoever, compared to the odd xbl title like castle crashers and braid.

Its all a bit... stupid.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]

Thats subjective. You need an Objective criteria if you are to order these games, you can't just say this one is arcady so it doesn't count. Theoretically if Ratchet and Clanck Quest for Booty got an 8.0 I highly wonder if it would count as an AAE, same with Penny Arcade adventures. The Sam and Max games are 10$ and so are games on PSN and XBLA, why can't they count? Same price, same deal. If they haven't, reviewers should start rating them similarly to 10$ or 15$ games same with the 10$, 20$ and 30$ PC games they have been doing for budget PC games for years.

Il_Exile_lI

It has nothing to do with price. I can get a discount on a 50 dollard game and get it for ten bucks. Is it suddenly the same calibur as a PSN game? NO. It's a bloody PSN game. It only counts when comparing it to XBLA games and WiiWaire games. They are not the high production games. Here's some criteria, if you can get it in a disk format, it counts. Is that objective enough for ya?

By that logic you just excluded sam and max, the game in question, and not to mention countless games only available through steam

But you can buy the seasons on disc.:|

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

Thats subjective. You need an Objective criteria if you are to order these games, you can't just say this one is arcady so it doesn't count. Theoretically if Ratchet and Clanck Quest for Booty got an 8.0 I highly wonder if it would count as an AAE, same with Penny Arcade adventures. The Sam and Max games are 10$ and so are games on PSN and XBLA, why can't they count? Same price, same deal. If they haven't, reviewers should start rating them similarly to 10$ or 15$ games same with the 10$, 20$ and 30$ PC games they have been doing for budget PC games for years.

organic_machine

It has nothing to do with price. I can get a discount on a 50 dollard game and get it for ten bucks. Is it suddenly the same calibur as a PSN game? NO. It's a bloody PSN game. It only counts when comparing it to XBLA games and WiiWaire games. They are not the high production games. Here's some criteria, if you can get it in a disk format, it counts. Is that objective enough for ya?

If Audiosurf got an 8.0 would you consider it to be an AA game on the offical list? And getting it in a disk format is a completly flawed arguement. What your playing is information, which is nothing more than bunch of ones and zero's, the disk is nothing more than a medium. I seriously think if valve made the move to make Half Life 3 (AAA) a download only game, no one would be with you in that it doesn't count because it doesn't come on some disk. High production games? What about Defcon, or Darwinia? Those I don't belive have massive budgets or whatever, or complex graphics, and those are on the list! And i dont think you can get Darwinia or Defcon on a disk either!

Edit: Darwinia isin't on the list, but Defcon is, you get my point....

If Audiosurf got an 8.0 would you consider it to be an AA game on the offical list? And getting it in a disk format is a completly flawed arguement. What your playing is information, which is nothing more than bunch of ones and zero's, the disk is nothing more than a medium. I seriously think if valve made the move to make Half Life 3 (AAA) a download only game, no one would be with you in that it doesn't count because it doesn't come on some disk. High production games? What about Defcon, or Darwinia? Those I don't belive have massive budgets or whatever, or complex graphics, and those are on the list! And i dont think you can get Darwinia or Defcon on a disk either!

insanejedi

Fine. My point still stands. Compare whats comparable. The only reason people want to include the XBLA and PSN games is because they want to claim ownage.

If you want to use them, don't compare them to games like Half Life. Compare them to games of it's calibur, like Audiosurf.

A game is a game, they all should count. And since in SW only exclusives count that removes all the problems with virtual console or other re-releases of this type.

Altough all this counting is starting to loose sense for us hermits considering how large portion of pc games released Gamespot completely and utterly ignores

Sam and Max Seasons 1 and 2 both have retail releases (not sure if Season 2 is out yet, my physical copy should be arriving in the next few days), so they should count regardless of your opinion.

Anyway, if we start accepting games like Braid into the AA/AAA lists, wouldn't we have to start adding a whole range of indie PC games? Even if you don't count the free ones, that's still a fairly large number, most of which don't even get reviewed.

Also, where do you draw the line? Is there any real difference between indie games on XBL/PSN, and indie games being sold on people's websites, and free indie games that provide additional content for donators/subscribers, and free indie games?

No single website could review them all, so any partially complete list of these games would be somewhat unfair.

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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Wait, so you're saying that Geo Wars 2 should be compared to the likes of Crysis: Warhead, STALKER: Clear Skies, Call of Duty: UO, and TESIV:O-Shivering Isles just because they don't cost as much yet offer more value for the cost?organic_machine

You are missing the point. Either XBLA games and PSN games should count or discount pc games like Sam and Max shouldn't.

It has nothing to do with price. The Geo Wars and Braid are arcadey games. They shouldn't be included because they are incomparable. If we wanted to count them, GS would have to rate all of the arcadey games for PC... going to every website and downloading every single game of that calibur. as it stands, the grounds are uneven. Hence why the PSN and XBL games should not count.

Are games downloadable from EVERY website considered 'commercially avaliable games'? If they are, then yes GS should go and review em, if they are not then GS is NOT going to review them as they only do 'commercially avaliable games'.

[QUOTE="Il_Exile_lI"][QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]

Thats subjective. You need an Objective criteria if you are to order these games, you can't just say this one is arcady so it doesn't count. Theoretically if Ratchet and Clanck Quest for Booty got an 8.0 I highly wonder if it would count as an AAE, same with Penny Arcade adventures. The Sam and Max games are 10$ and so are games on PSN and XBLA, why can't they count? Same price, same deal. If they haven't, reviewers should start rating them similarly to 10$ or 15$ games same with the 10$, 20$ and 30$ PC games they have been doing for budget PC games for years.

organic_machine

It has nothing to do with price. I can get a discount on a 50 dollard game and get it for ten bucks. Is it suddenly the same calibur as a PSN game? NO. It's a bloody PSN game. It only counts when comparing it to XBLA games and WiiWaire games. They are not the high production games. Here's some criteria, if you can get it in a disk format, it counts. Is that objective enough for ya?

By that logic you just excluded sam and max, the game in question, and not to mention countless games only available through steam

But you can buy the seasons on disc.:|

There was no logical reason Braid couldn't have been sold on disc save for the fact that it wouldn't be profitable...whether it is on disc or not is quite arbitrary.

By that logic you just excluded sam and max, the game in question, and not to mention countless games only available through steam

Il_Exile_lI

I have Season One on DVD. came with a nice poster, too.

The list will always be flawed because it's only based on GS reviews, and GS doesn't even review nearly every game. Where are PC reviews for Fifa08, Grid, rfactor, all the indie games etc. Nowhere.

There are few games that I would remove from the list, tho I'd leave the full seasons of Sam and Max up there. But in the end it's just one frigging list, and it will never please everyone, so get over it, make your own list and pretend that only it counts.