How come the 360's graphics are not improving ??

The 360 came out 1st and everybody says it's easier to dev for but the ps3 keeps getting better and the 360 stays the same why ??

Is dvd holding it back ??

Are the microsoft devs not as good as sony's??

Is the ps3 more powerful ??

I don't get it gears 3 is coming and it looks like 2 with better colors imo and halo reach still looks worse than killzone 2. What is going on with the 360 is it really maxed out ??

ps3 is holding it back

The 360 came out 1st and everybody says it's easier to dev for but the ps3 keeps getting better and the 360 stays the same why ??

Is dvd holding it back ??

Are the microsoft devs not as good as sony's??

Is the ps3 more powerful ??

I don't get it gears 3 is coming and it looks like 2 with better colors imo and halo reach still looks worse than killzone 2. What is going on with the 360 is it really maxed out ??

ChiChiMonKilla

There. In your opinion. It looks fantastic in mine. In my opinion, you're wrong.

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

you can only go so far with 2005 gpus

Because it's using fixed hardware from 2005?

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

SwagSurf

The ps3 has gt5 then I look at forza 3 hell even pgr4 looks better than forza 3. If the ps3 is still improving then the 360 should as well unless it can't??

devs choice is to make a brand new engine that pushes hardware or go with unreal engine, havok and phys-x for the umpteenth time and put the money saved in their pockets.

what do you think the most likley choice is?

what is keeping the ps3 from having it's version of multiplats as polished as the 360 version if it is so powerful?

last gen, most ps2 ports on the xbox played and looked better if not the same as the ps2 version

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

ChiChiMonKilla

The ps3 has gt5 then I look at forza 3 hell even pgr4 looks better than forza 3. If the ps3 is still improving then the 360 should as well unless it can't??

Look at Gears of War 3 then.

If the Crysis 2 and Gears 3 footage is any indication, its the devs.

devs choice is to make a brand new engine that pushes hardware or go with unreal engine, havok and phys-x for the umpteenth time and put the money saved in their pockets.

what do you think the most likley choice is?

Riverwolf007

I think we have a winner here, no wonder the 360 seems stuck.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

devs choice is to make a brand new engine that pushes hardware or go with unreal engine, havok and phys-x for the umpteenth time and put the money saved in their pockets.

what do you think the most likley choice is?

ChiChiMonKilla

I think we have a winner here, no wonder the 360 seems stuck.

seriously though we are arguing gfx on a 5 year old console that was obsolete almost by the time it shipped. the 5 to 10% or so difference in gfx quality (and that's being generous) is almost meaningless especially if you consider what the ps3 library would look like now if it had been easier to program for and easier to make money with for devs.

btw, LAZY DEVS! :lol:

yeah cause gears 3 looks exactly like gears 2 with prettier colors but KZ3 looks sooooo much better than KZ2:roll: please cows come off it....

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

devs choice is to make a brand new engine that pushes hardware or go with unreal engine, havok and phys-x for the umpteenth time and put the money saved in their pockets.

what do you think the most likley choice is?

ChiChiMonKilla

I think we have a winner here, no wonder the 360 seems stuck.

You made this thread to validate your answer, not to discuss it. So here you go: "Yes the 360 is stuck in time and maxed out." Do you feel better now?

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

SwagSurf

NO, it actually can't.

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

georgia_bulll

NO, it actually can't.

Why do you say that?

The 360 came out 1st and everybody says it's easier to dev for but the ps3 keeps getting better and the 360 stays the same why ??

Is dvd holding it back ??

Are the microsoft devs not as good as sony's??

Is the ps3 more powerful ??

I don't get it gears 3 is coming and it looks like 2 with better colors imo and halo reach still looks worse than killzone 2. What is going on with the 360 is it really maxed out ??

ChiChiMonKilla

Blame M$. They have no first party devs that push the hardware. Crysis 2, RAGE, and (maybe) Gears 3 will be a big jump in quality.

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

georgia_bulll

NO, it actually can't.

On topic:

I posted NO in tpoll.

I don't think xbox360 is "maxed out" because that a term too hard to define, however I do think it has reached a point where it's limitations and potential have leveled off.

As with Alan Wake and Halo Reach develpers did some nice things like motion blur, some cool lighting, and better looking open areas than other xbox360 games HOWEVER they had to sarafice resolution, steady framerate, and still has terrible AA.

360 can improve grahics but as it dose it sacrafieces more and more to acheive to where it really affects game qulaity and that's why I think most develpers are staying in a happy medium for graphics for gameplay sake. The PS3 hasn't really reached that medium yet which is why it's graphics are still improving and developers are WILLING to try to push for more.

Don't care as long as the games are good

First of all, like some already suggested - you expect too much from 2005 tech. Secondly, the 360 was, hypothetically speaking (so I won't offend any fans :P ), maxed out already with the first Gears of War. And Epic themselves said that they're pushing the 360 "to the limits" with Gears 2. What remains now is using tricks to push the graphics even further.

For example - if you look at PS2, it was said that Gran Turismo 3 used all it's power. But GT4 looked even better and Shadow of the Colossus and God of War 2 pushed it "over the limits".

Of course the PS3 has some extra power reserve over the 360 due to Cell, but, hypothetically speaking, it was also already "maxed out" with Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2.

ps3 is holding it back

sikanderahmed

It can't hold it back with exclusives and the graphics on those remain the same.

PS3 and 360 can do multiplats identically, hate to burst your bubble.

The x360 is so easy to develope that nobody cares about trying anything new with it.

Very poor first party

I beleive these are the reasons.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

devs choice is to make a brand new engine that pushes hardware or go with unreal engine, havok and phys-x for the umpteenth time and put the money saved in their pockets.

what do you think the most likley choice is?

XaosII

I think we have a winner here, no wonder the 360 seems stuck.

You made this thread to validate your answer, not to discuss it. So here you go: "Yes the 360 is stuck in time and maxed out." Do you feel better now?

It's just not me me that see's the 360 is behind the ps3 in graphics.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

The 360 came out 1st and everybody says it's easier to dev for but the ps3 keeps getting better and the 360 stays the same why ??

Is dvd holding it back ??

Are the microsoft devs not as good as sony's??

Is the ps3 more powerful ??

I don't get it gears 3 is coming and it looks like 2 with better colors imo and halo reach still looks worse than killzone 2. What is going on with the 360 is it really maxed out ??

what is keeping the ps3 from having it's version of multiplats as polished as the 360 version if it is so powerful?

last gen, most ps2 ports on the xbox played and looked better if not the same as the ps2 version

wiistation360

Developer that will not spend double the time and much more money to put both version on par when the 360 one will sell the most.?

The fact that you say most port on the xbox looked better say it all,the xbox had double the ram of the PS2 not just a litte more with a more powerful GPU and CPU,yet many ports looked the same with a few less jagies on xbox.

By default all ports on xbox should look way better like SC did when it was build for the xbox,but developers will not care or want to even that the xbox was far easier to get the game to look better,the PS2 version was going to be the lead sellers so they did not care.

[QUOTE="georgia_bulll"]

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

adamosmaki

NO, it actually can't.

Don't ever exaggerate buddy.

Im just calling it how it is, why you so defensive?

Fox xbox360 we have:

Gears Of war 1 (2006 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

....nothing follows

now for PS3:

Uncharted 1 (2007 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

MGS4 (2008 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Killzone 2 (early 2009 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Uncharted 2 (late 2009 again called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist same year)

GOW3 (2010 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

you don't have to believe in magic to see the diffrences here, but you might believe in magic if you somehow think the consoles ability is the same with differnt specs and hardware.

You do realize that GT5 also comes out this year and won best gfx award at E3? when PS3 didn't have the best gfx people say Sony dun lied blah blah blah, now that they prove they had the best tech people are all crying making up conspirisy theories talking about magic and such.

Xbox graphics have improve Halo Reach look way better than Halo 3,and Gears 3 look a little better than Gears 2 as well.

Don't care as long as the games are good

Rhino53

[QUOTE="georgia_bulll"]

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

SwagSurf

NO, it actually can't.

Why do you say that?

because..

Fox xbox360 we have:

Gears Of war 1 (2006 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

....nothing follows

now for PS3:

Uncharted 1 (2007 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

MGS4 (2008 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Killzone 2 (early 2009 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Uncharted 2 (late 2009 again called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist same year)

GOW3 (2010 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Aaaan GT5 being released next month (the game that beat out Crysis 2, Rage, and dirt 3) for best gfx at E3.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="georgia_bulll"]

NO, it actually can't.

georgia_bulll

Don't ever exaggerate buddy.

Im just calling it how it is, why you so defensive?

Fox xbox360 we have:

Gears Of war 1 (2006 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

....nothing follows

now for PS3:

Uncharted 1 (2007 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

MGS4 (2008 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Killzone 2 (early 2009 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Uncharted 2 (late 2009 again called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist same year)

GOW3 (2010 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

you don't have to believe in magic to see the diffrences here, but you might believe in magic if you somehow think the consoles ability is the same with differnt specs and hardware.

You do realize that GT5 also comes out this year and won best gfx award at E3? when PS3 didn't have the best gfx people say Sony dun lied blah blah blah, now that they prove they had the best tech people are all crying making up conspirisy theories talking about magic and such.

Great post. Its not magic when the exclusives just flat out look better on the PS3. I played all of the big huge 360 exclusives Alan Wake, Forza 3, Gears 2 and recently Halo Reach... The PS3 exclusive games like God of War 3, Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 just flat out look better, sound better and seem to have higher quality production values and i won't dare hide like a coward behind the word "opinion" im a real gamer i tell it like it is and it hurts people's feelings on SW but oh well lol.

The 360 came out 1st and everybody says it's easier to dev for but the ps3 keeps getting better and the 360 stays the same why ??

Is dvd holding it back ??

Are the microsoft devs not as good as sony's??

Is the ps3 more powerful ??

I don't get it gears 3 is coming and it looks like 2 with better colors imo and halo reach still looks worse than killzone 2. What is going on with the 360 is it really maxed out ??

ChiChiMonKilla

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="georgia_bulll"]

NO, it actually can't.

georgia_bulll

Don't ever exaggerate buddy.

Im just calling it how it is, why you so defensive?

Fox xbox360 we have:

Gears Of war 1 (2006 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

....nothing follows

now for PS3:

Uncharted 1 (2007 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

MGS4 (2008 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Killzone 2 (early 2009 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

Uncharted 2 (late 2009 again called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist same year)

GOW3 (2010 called best gfx on consoles by official reviewer or industry game journalist)

you don't have to believe in magic to see the diffrences here, but you might believe in magic if you somehow think the consoles ability is the same with differnt specs and hardware.

You do realize that GT5 also comes out this year and won best gfx award at E3? when PS3 didn't have the best gfx people say Sony dun lied blah blah blah, now that they prove they had the best tech people are all crying making up conspirisy theories talking about magic and such.

All i said is dont expect big differnces at graphics quality between some of the best looking Ps3 games of 2008 ( when devs already learned the console ) and some of the best looking Ps3 games of 2010 and upcoming PS3 games. You might see some small improvements in Kz3 over KZ2 but the difference will be very small. Optimization alone cant overcome hardware that was developed in 2003-2004.

If there was such a think as magic power why dont we see games like KZ2 or Uncharted at 1080p and 60fps?. Yet all we see are games at 720p and lower with usually no AA and barely 30fps

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

Same thing can be said about PS3. What could you really expect from 2005 hardware?

SwagSurf

The ps3 has gt5 then I look at forza 3 hell even pgr4 looks better than forza 3. If the ps3 is still improving then the 360 should as well unless it can't??

Look at Gears of War 3 then.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

I think we have a winner here, no wonder the 360 seems stuck.

ChiChiMonKilla

You made this thread to validate your answer, not to discuss it. So here you go: "Yes the 360 is stuck in time and maxed out." Do you feel better now?

It's just not me me that see's the 360 is behind the ps3 in graphics.

what bothers me is that sure i will be the first guy everytime to get your back on some ps3 games looking better than some 360 games but where the problem comes up is in the other things that the ps3 does not do well but affects me more.

for example the other day when i was at my friends and the enslaved demo took 1 hour to download then another 15 to 20 mins to install.

now what affects me more? a 5% difference in gfx quality or an hour and a half of my lifeforce being gone forever due to poor decisions made in how psn operates.

yeah i know this is totally off your topic and i apologize for that but come on man gfx is kiddie stuff me being an hour closer to death and the ps3 wasting my time really means something.

now multply that by every demo you dl and every system update you do and you will see while 360 gamers are playing these graphically inferior games the ps3 is literally wasting the precious hours of your life.

now chew on that a bit and tell me how important the gfx debate is.

simple answer it doesnt have bluray and its maxed out

Having said that, Uncharted 2 is nearly a year old and is still the best looking game on the PS3...

simple answer it doesnt have bluray and its maxed out

_SWAG_

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

I think we have a winner here, no wonder the 360 seems stuck.

ChiChiMonKilla

You made this thread to validate your answer, not to discuss it. So here you go: "Yes the 360 is stuck in time and maxed out." Do you feel better now?

It's just not me me that see's the 360 is behind the ps3 in graphics.

The 360 came out 1st and everybody says it's easier to dev for but the ps3 keeps getting better and the 360 stays the same why ??

Is dvd holding it back ??

Are the microsoft devs not as good as sony's??

Is the ps3 more powerful ??

I don't get it gears 3 is coming and it looks like 2 with better colors imo and halo reach still looks worse than killzone 2. What is going on with the 360 is it really maxed out ??

ChiChiMonKilla

Pretty simple--the hardware just isn't that great. It's easy to develop for, which means it is easy to max out the hardware. PS3 is a more complex machine, which is why the games continue to look better and better as devs have more time with it. That is kind of sad that the original Gears of War is comparable to the best looking games coming out, on the 360.

huh? reach looks better then gears 2, gears 3 looks better then halo reach...I'm seeing improvements...