How could there ever be a hardcore Natal game??.

MS keep saying that core Natal games are coming but I don't see how, There's no way an FPS, TPS, RPG, or sports game could ever be done without a controller. How would Halo work?, running on the spot to move and then using you hand as a gun to aim??, I just don't see it, Natal was created solely for casuals and I thank Sony for making Move with the core in mind.

Why I have a feeling next halo will be on rail shooter requiring kinect, but I don't care, since it's made by 343 industries. Not the quality of bungie anyway.

hardcoreThread Title

any Halo or Gears gamesFlamesOfGrey

wat

Indeed there can't be right now. In the near future, when improvements to 3D technology are made, we may be very well able to interact personally with in-game things.

Think of something like seeing a virtual menu like the one on the Mass Effect omni-tools.

there can't be any hardcore, or at least we havn't seen anyKevinButlerVP

Edit* But that game is multiplatform and can also be played with a normal controller if you wanted to play that way.

[quote="Thread Title"]hardcoreN30F3N1X

any Halo or Gears gamesFlamesOfGrey

wat

Indeed there can't be right now. In the near future, when improvements to 3D technology are made, we may be very well able to interact personally with in-game things.

Think of something like seeing a virtual menu like the one on the Mass Effect omni-tools.

Halo & Gears thrive on multiplayer I just don't see Kinect ever being able to do that well.

Closest thing we've seen so far is FM3.siLVURcross

Treadmill accessory included?

Dance Central on extreme difficulty?

You can use the standard Xbox 360 controller with it I believe.

You can use the standard Xbox 360 controller with it I believe.

WhenCicadasCry

There's no way an FPS, TPS, RPG, or sports game could ever be done without a controller.

Clank-PS-Snake

Creatively

There is enormous possibility with Kinect in terms of what it can/cannot do. For instance, a game like Lifeline could be made to utilize Kinects voice recognition. How about integrating both controller and controller-less controls. You move/shoot/drive/jump with the controller, but could say box or push or lean with Kinect.

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You can use the standard Xbox 360 controller with it I believe.

FlamesOfGrey

Dunno. :P Maybe for headtracking, hybrid motion / standard control scheme?

You can use the standard Xbox 360 controller with it I believe.

WhenCicadasCry

nah they should just come out with a nunchuck-type device, i mean Kinect already does all the motion tracking work that the wiimote/wand do, and without the nunchuck those two would have the exact same limitations that Kinect has

so inevitably the final part that would give devs a little more freedom is a nunchuck for Kinect

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

You can use the standard Xbox 360 controller with it I believe.

Dunno. :P Maybe for headtracking, hybrid motion / standard control scheme?

You can use the standard Xbox 360 controller with it I believe.

WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

You can use the standard Xbox 360 controller with it I believe.

88mphSlayer

nah they should just come out with a nunchuck-type device, i mean Kinect already does all the motion tracking work that the wiimote/wand do, and without the nunchuck those two would have the exact same limitations that Kinect has

so inevitably the final part that would give devs a little more freedom is a nunchuck for Kinect

But then You are (not) the controller! anymore.

And if you're going to have a nunchuck for movement, then why not release an accessory with some buttons on it for things like shooting...

Congratulations, your Kinect evolved into a Wii.

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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

You can use the standard Xbox 360 controller with it I believe.

shinrabanshou

nah they should just come out with a nunchuck-type device, i mean Kinect already does all the motion tracking work that the wiimote/wand do, and without the nunchuck those two would have the exact same limitations that Kinect has

so inevitably the final part that would give devs a little more freedom is a nunchuck for Kinect

But then You are (not) the controller! anymore.

And if you're going to have a nunchuck for movement, then why not release an accessory with some buttons on it for things like shooting...

Congratulations, your Kinect evolved into a Wii.

what's the point of coming out with a wiimote/wand for Kinect for rail shooters when you can just use your hands like in Child of Eden? it would be kinda funny to be playing a rail shooter where your fingers are shooting bullets at enemies

besides that, i thought of the idea of moving a character without a nunchuck anyways... why not just establish that your left hand is the left stick and right hand the right stick? to move forward you push your hand forward like you're pushing the character around, and by moving your left hand right or left you're telling the character to go right or left, while your right hand controls camera, and if you had a nunhuck-esque device even with just 1 or 2 buttons that would act as your firing mechanism unless you wanted to be a little more creative and make firing a "timed" based action sort of like when you select something on the dashboard, you just hold your hand over something and wait a second and your guy shoots a 1-hit kill laser beam or something

anyways, i think if people really want something interesting on a new controls scheme then somebody will make something, i mean this is the same industry that worked out how to play a 3d game where you don't control the camera

edit: you could also translate games like Jet Grind Radio or Katamari Damacy over to Kinect pretty easily imo, point is i think it's possible that these kind of games can exist on that platform... which is why i was disappointed in Microsoft's E3 so much

they could make a epic space game, where your the captian, and you give commands through voice, not rly kinect but it would be awesome

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[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

nah they should just come out with a nunchuck-type device, i mean Kinect already does all the motion tracking work that the wiimote/wand do, and without the nunchuck those two would have the exact same limitations that Kinect has

so inevitably the final part that would give devs a little more freedom is a nunchuck for Kinect

88mphSlayer

But then You are (not) the controller! anymore.

And if you're going to have a nunchuck for movement, then why not release an accessory with some buttons on it for things like shooting...

Congratulations, your Kinect evolved into a Wii.

what's the point of coming out with a wiimote/wand for Kinect for rail shooters when you can just use your hands like in Child of Eden? it would be kinda funny to be playing a rail shooter where your fingers are shooting bullets at enemies

I'm not sure how Child of Eden circumvents this issue. The crappy Deca Sports game apparently has you jerk your hand upwards quickly in order to fire in paintball.

Using your left hand as a virtual D-pad sounds rather cumbersome.

Katamari could work though, leaning to steer I guess.

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]That would be the better thing to do in terms of allowing core software development...

But then You are (not) the controller! anymore.

And if you're going to have a nunchuck for movement, then why not release an accessory with some buttons on it for things like shooting...

Congratulations, your Kinect evolved into a Wii.

shinrabanshou

what's the point of coming out with a wiimote/wand for Kinect for rail shooters when you can just use your hands like in Child of Eden? it would be kinda funny to be playing a rail shooter where your fingers are shooting bullets at enemies

I'm not sure how Child of Eden circumvents this issue. The crappy Deca Sports game apparently has you jerk your hand upwards quickly in order to fire in paintball.

Child of Eden circumvents that by pushing your hand forward, but obviously this would only really work for abstract games like Child of Eden since having to push your hand forward everytime you fired a pistol would get really old

The problem I see even for rail shooters is that Kinect can't recognise fingers and ergo can't recognise actual hand gestures, just gross hand movement - that would let you aim, but I'm not sure how one would trigger.

I'm not sure how Child of Eden circumvents this issue. The crappy Deca Sports game apparently has you jerk your hand upwards quickly in order to fire in paintball.

shinrabanshou

My guess? Aim with one hand, other hand pulls the trigger. Internet's pretty slow for me today for some reason, so I'll just post the E3 demonstration so you can try to look for it yourself.

Edit: Slayer already found out how.

Starcraft 2 Kinect.

I can see it happening.

I don't think it will happen right, since there will be a lot of trial and error on the part of the developers to find what works and what doesn't. I really feel that there's a lot of potential in this kind of technology, but it will take time before it's fully realized.

Just remember that it's taken some time for the Wii Motion control to be used well.

Closest thing we've seen so far is FM3.siLVURcross

Starcraft 2 Kinect.

I can see it happening.

siddhu33

Tell your vision.

Kinect rts would be more casual and simple than with controller.

Yea I guess I was right there is no way really, which is a shame because it is an impressive piece of tech but really it's just a way of stealing the Nintendo crowd. I hope it fails.

Yea I guess I was right there is no way really, which is a shame because it is an impressive piece of tech but really it's just a way of stealing the Nintendo crowd. I hope it fails.

Clank-PS-Snake

I still stand by what I said:

[QUOTE="Clank-PS-Snake"]

There's no way an FPS, TPS, RPG, or sports game could ever be done without a controller.

R3FURBISHED

Creatively

There is enormous possibility with Kinect in terms of what it can/cannot do. For instance, a game like Lifeline could be made to utilize Kinects voice recognition. How about integrating both controller and controller-less controls. You move/shoot/drive/jump with the controller, but could say box or push or lean with Kinect.

i cant see a full hardcore game being used with kinect but maybe sections in the story game play or chapters. like how the sixaxis was used in games like heavenly sword on ps3

Early days.

Besides, i dont think MS made Natal with the thought of how it would work with existing genres.

Me personally, id like to see some new genres invented with it.

I can't believe how criminally shortsighted some of you are. Kinect would be an excellent supplemental control device used for things like head tracking, gesture commands and voice recognition. I think that there are quite a few crafty developers that can implement that into a core game. RPGs for one could become radically different with Kinect support.

Sure the launch games are idiotic for the most part, but launch games are almost always subpar until the tech is mastered. No one said core games must be Kinect only. But who knows what the future brings?

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

Starcraft 2 Kinect.

I can see it happening.

Nohtnym

Tell your vision.

Kinect rts would be more casual and simple than with controller.

Not really...

Units can be controlled and moved with your hands, and complex commands can be used with voice.

In fact, it would probably be on par with Mouse and Keyboard, if implemented correctly.

Well, Kinect is going to be compatible with PC, right?

I'm sure once the online community figures out how to develop for it, we're going to be seeing some VERY hardcore porn games...

what's with the rule saying the use of Natal can't be in conjunction with a gamepad?

I'm confused as to why you care..you've all ready admited you will do your best convince anyone you know not to buy Kinect. So why would it be important to you to find out how there could ever be a hardwaore kinect game?

I'm confused as to why you care..you've all ready admited you will do your best convince anyone you know not to buy Kinect. So why would it be important to you to find out how there could ever be a hardwaore kinect game?

WilliamRLBaker

MS keep saying that core Natal games are coming but I don't see how, There's no way an FPS, TPS, RPG, or sports game could ever be done without a controller. How would Halo work?, running on the spot to move and then using you hand as a gun to aim??, I just don't see it, Natal was created solely for casuals and I thank Sony for making Move with the core in mind.

Clank-PS-Snake

Given Kinect can be used with a controller, all games couild be easilly done that way, pad + Kinect for immersion and interaction

On PS3 you dont need the Nac controller, you can use the pad, same for Kinect

It's much too difficult considering everything has to be on-rails pretty much. If it involved some method of movement it would get confusing with the controls.

It's much too difficult considering everything has to be on-rails pretty much. If it involved some method of movement it would get confusing with the controls.

oldkingallant

Exactly as you use the PS3 pad (or Nav) for movement with Move, you can use the 360 pad

No difference there, so nothing has to be on rails

With MOve on the other hand, to use full body tracking you have to be in a 2D plane, so only static camera or on rails games can be done that way, with Kinect you can have full 3D body mapping and interaction with the game world at all times

The difgerence is vast actually, in Kinect favour

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I'm confused as to why you care..you've all ready admited you will do your best convince anyone you know not to buy Kinect. So why would it be important to you to find out how there could ever be a hardwaore kinect game?

Clank-PS-Snake

How could there ever be a hardcore console game??.

There's been rumors about a infinity ward kinect shooter.

Dance Central on extreme difficulty?

88mphSlayer

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Closest thing we've seen so far is FM3.ianuilliam

No, you have to put your foot in front for gas and then put your foot back to break and just steer with your arms out in front.