How did Microsoft and Sony miss the memo on making good hardware?

When the PC industry is finally realzing that bigger is not better and that low-power, efficient, slim-profile machines are the future, Microsoft and Sony are continuing to make bulky, ugly, power-hungry console hardware.  

When will they stop?  How many more freaking polygons are they going to shove down our throats?  I seriously thought this stupid polygon war was over with PS3/360 and was VERY surprised to see that they are still at it.  Have they learned nothing from digital camera makers and their useless megapixels?  Will Microsoft and Sony EVER learn that it's about the quality and innovation in gameplay and not texture detail or polygon count?

When did knocks miss the memo on how to make good threads?

because i want my HD gaming to look better than real life...

PS4 isn't bulky.  X1 on the other hand...Xbox tradition of giant consoles? 

Xbox's are getting smaller all the time:

Soon, the Xbox will be smaller than a transistor and you'll be forever losing the bloody thing. 

Comparing Polygons to Megapixel cameras..... You sire are a moron.MBirdy88

Not that your incredibly low IQ deserves a dignified response, but that's an absolutely fair comparison.  Shoving more data (i.e. detail) on a disc does not equal a better product.  You can make a breakthrough game with innovative gameplay, package it in a 15MB file, and have it run in 320x240, and it will still be better than 95% of all Xbox games out there.

When the PC industry is finally realzing that bigger is not better and that low-power, efficient, slim-profile machines are the future, Microsoft and Sony are continuing to make bulky, ugly, power-hungry console hardware.Knocks

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Comparing Polygons to Megapixel cameras..... You sire are a moron.Knocks

Not that your incredibly low IQ deserves a dignified response, but that's an absolutely fair comparison.  Shoving more data (i.e. detail) on a disc does not equal a better product.  You can make a breakthrough game with innovative gameplay, package it in a 15MB file, and have it run in 320x240, and it will still be better than 95% of all Xbox games out there.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Comparing Polygons to Megapixel cameras..... You sire are a moron.Knocks

Not that your incredibly low IQ deserves a dignified response, but that's an absolutely fair comparison.  Shoving more data (i.e. detail) on a disc does not equal a better product.  You can make a breakthrough game with innovative gameplay, package it in a 15MB file, and have it run in 320x240, and it will still be better than 95% of all Xbox games out there.

Yeah, immersion.  Like the Madden/FIFA games with photorealistic players with scary zombie eyes and robotic movements?

Don't you understand?  The more realistic a developer tries to make the game, the deeper the hole it's digging, because people will still spot unrealistic parts and complain, except each generation realism is more and more difficult to accomplish.  A "realistic" game is still not going to be as good as live action footage with real actors, whereas a cartoonish game like the Wind Waker automatically wins, because it looks exactly like the cartoon.

Yeah, immersion.  Like the Madden/FIFA games with photorealistic players with scary zombie eyes and robotic movements?

Don't you understand?  The more realistic a developer tries to make the game, the deeper the hole it's digging, because people will still spot unrealistic parts and complain, except each generation realism is more and more difficult to accomplish.  A "realistic" game is still not going to be as good as live action footage with real actors, whereas a cartoonish game like the Wind Waker automatically wins, because it looks exactly like the cartoon.

Knocks

Uh, both next-gen MS and Sony console are using power-efficient APUs developed by AMD...

It's just Microsoft that missed the memo

When the PC industry is finally realzing that bigger is not better and that low-power, efficient, slim-profile machines are the future, Microsoft and Sony are continuing to make bulky, ugly, power-hungry console hardware.  

When will they stop?  How many more freaking polygons are they going to shove down our throats?  I seriously thought this stupid polygon war was over with PS3/360 and was VERY surprised to see that they are still at it.  Have they learned nothing from digital camera makers and their useless megapixels?  Will Microsoft and Sony EVER learn that it's about the quality and innovation in gameplay and not texture detail or polygon count?

Knocks

Speak for the xbox one,the PS4 is the size of the current slim,while having an internal PSU and a big APU,with probably 16 memory chips on board.

The xbox one is far bigger and doesn't even have an internal PSU.

the PS4 is the size of the current slim

tormentos

And the slim PS3 is a still HUGE console.  There is no reason for consoles to be bigger than an ultrabook, but probably more like Apple TV or Ouya.  

Computing is moving towards miniaturization, not toward working on mainframes.  Within a couple years most TVs will be smart TVs with video playback included, and no one's going to want to have these ugly devices in their living room.

UHH? They are both nice and capable machines.  :?
The Wii U on the other hand? Well? I like the Pro Controller.

When did knocks miss the memo on how to make good threads?

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

the PS4 is the size of the current slim

Knocks

And the slim PS3 is a still HUGE console.  There is no reason for consoles to be bigger than an ultrabook, but probably more like Apple TV or Ouya.  

Computing is moving towards miniaturization, not toward working on mainframes.  Within a couple years most TVs will be smart TVs with video playback included, and no one's going to want to have these ugly devices in their living room.

When the PC industry is finally realzing that bigger is not better and that low-power, efficient, slim-profile machines are the future, Microsoft and Sony are continuing to make bulky, ugly, power-hungry console hardware.  

When will they stop?  How many more freaking polygons are they going to shove down our throats?  I seriously thought this stupid polygon war was over with PS3/360 and was VERY surprised to see that they are still at it.  Have they learned nothing from digital camera makers and their useless megapixels?  Will Microsoft and Sony EVER learn that it's about the quality and innovation in gameplay and not texture detail or polygon count?

Knocks

When did knocks miss the memo on how to make good threads?

NathanDrakeSwag

too bad the PS4 is slimmer, thinner, lighter and uses less power then the PS3... xboxiphoneps3

Well, that's a hell of a low threshold, considering the PS3 is one of the uglier and least efficient consoles in recent memory.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]too bad the PS4 is slimmer, thinner, lighter and uses less power then the PS3... Knocks

Well, that's a hell of a low threshold, considering the PS3 is one of the uglier and least efficient consoles in recent memory.

Xbox's are getting smaller all the time:

 

Soon, the Xbox will be smaller than a transistor and you'll be forever losing the bloody thing. 

psymon100

They used the Xbox Robot to beat the monsters in Pacific Rim! 

Hmm, op went in a different direction with this than I expected. I thought it was gonna be about how the new consoles are underpowered... cuz they are. I never expected them to compete with high-end PC cards in raw specs cuz those cards are so expensive. But I did think they'd deliver on the high side of mid-range PC cards, around 2.5 tflops. Instead PS4 is on the low end of mid-range and Xbox One is on the high end of entry level.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

the PS4 is the size of the current slim

Knocks

And the slim PS3 is a still HUGE console.  There is no reason for consoles to be bigger than an ultrabook, but probably more like Apple TV or Ouya.  

Computing is moving towards miniaturization, not toward working on mainframes.  Within a couple years most TVs will be smart TVs with video playback included, and no one's going to want to have these ugly devices in their living room.

Why do you care what it looks like? What they do is what's important. What the boxes looked like was the least important thing to me. Can be shaped like dog poo if the innards are awesome.

When the PC industry is finally realzing that bigger is not better and that low-power, efficient, slim-profile machines are the future, Microsoft and Sony are continuing to make bulky, ugly, power-hungry console hardware.  

When will they stop?  How many more freaking polygons are they going to shove down our throats?  I seriously thought this stupid polygon war was over with PS3/360 and was VERY surprised to see that they are still at it.  Have they learned nothing from digital camera makers and their useless megapixels?  Will Microsoft and Sony EVER learn that it's about the quality and innovation in gameplay and not texture detail or polygon count?

Knocks

When did knocks miss the memo on how to make good threads?

NathanDrakeSwag

Hmm, op went in a different direction with this than I expected. I thought it was gonna be about how the new consoles are underpowered... cuz they are. I never expected them to compete with high-end PC cards in raw specs cuz those cards are so expensive. But I did think they'd deliver on the high side of mid-range PC cards, around 2.5 tflops. Instead PS4 is on the low end of mid-range and Xbox One is on the high end of entry level.

Wickerman777

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Hmm, op went in a different direction with this than I expected. I thought it was gonna be about how the new consoles are underpowered... cuz they are. I never expected them to compete with high-end PC cards in raw specs cuz those cards are so expensive. But I did think they'd deliver on the high side of mid-range PC cards, around 2.5 tflops. Instead PS4 is on the low end of mid-range and Xbox One is on the high end of entry level.

teambadboy

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Hmm, op went in a different direction with this than I expected. I thought it was gonna be about how the new consoles are underpowered... cuz they are. I never expected them to compete with high-end PC cards in raw specs cuz those cards are so expensive. But I did think they'd deliver on the high side of mid-range PC cards, around 2.5 tflops. Instead PS4 is on the low end of mid-range and Xbox One is on the high end of entry level.

teambadboy

[QUOTE="teambadboy"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Hmm, op went in a different direction with this than I expected. I thought it was gonna be about how the new consoles are underpowered... cuz they are. I never expected them to compete with high-end PC cards in raw specs cuz those cards are so expensive. But I did think they'd deliver on the high side of mid-range PC cards, around 2.5 tflops. Instead PS4 is on the low end of mid-range and Xbox One is on the high end of entry level.

superclocked

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="teambadboy"] LOL are you delusional If anything the PS4 is like a mixture of mid-end to high-end settings, and it only costs 400$ While the xbox one is LOW end settings and costs 500$ lmao A PC that has similar performance to a PS4 will cost a ton of money too So the PS4 is the best option all around. Powerful and affordable etcteambadboy

Hmm, you might have misinterpreted what I meant. I said Xbox One is low end but on the high side of low end. Additionally I said that PS4 is mid-level but on the low side of mid-level. That equates to me saying PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One... but both are weaker than they should be, especially considering the current gen started 8 years ago. These systems should have Radeon 7870-like specs for their GPUs imo. But nether do. PS4 is 75% of the 7870's (A 7870 is a TRUE mid-level card. PS4's capabilities are more in line with a 7850, a card kinda teetering between low-end and mid-level. Hence why I said PS4 is mid-level but on the low end of mid-level) ability and Xbox One is 50% of it.

\How many more freaking polygons are they going to shove down our throats?

Knocks

A PC that has similar performance to a PS4 will cost a ton of money tooteambadboy

Here's a PS4 sitting next to a PS3 (launch version). It ain't as big as you think it is.

http://kotaku.com/a-launch-playstation-4-versus-a-launch-playstation-3-927246513

[QUOTE="teambadboy"]A PC that has similar performance to a PS4 will cost a ton of money toosuperclocked