How did Nintendo go from being king, to on its deathbed so fast?

topic? now they are pressured to bring its games to apple products? 3ds flop, nobody cares about wii u? my oh my how the mighty have fallen.

how did it go from being so good to so bad so fast?

i personally feel like their last great system was the n64. gorgeous graphics for the time, amazing games, but somehow it didnt sell well at all. wierd

People say that Nintendo is on it's deathbed when it's still alive and getting lunch.

I will agree with you that the N64 was the last great Nintendo console (DS is awesome though) however I think you might be a little premature with the doom and gloom.

People say that Nintendo is on it's deathbed when it's still alive and getting lunch.

LegatoSkyheart

It's like PC. If it's dead, then it must be an invincible zombie now.

Wasnt Nintendo on its death bed with the gamecube too?

Nintendo isnt going to die any time soon.

Well that's hard to say, seeing as they clearly are not on their deathbed.bobcheeseball

Nintendo filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy? When the hell did this happen?

Wasnt Nintendo on its death bed with the gamecube too?

Nintendo isnt going to die any time soon.

Gamingclone

Failure of the Virtual Boy = OMG NINTENDO IS GOING TO DIEE

Apparent Failure of the Nintendo 64 = OMG NINTENDO IS GOING TO DIEE

Apparent Failure of the Gamecube = OMG NINTENDO IS GOING TO DIEE

Apparent Failure of the 3DS = OMG NINTENDO IS GOING TO DIEE

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I don't see very much difference here.

Nintendo isnt king, but its not dead or out of the castle.

I realize I'm using too many metaphors.

At worst they will go back to gamecube days. That pretty much means they'll make tons of money.

They're not 'dying'; they're just not good anymore.

I don't mind seeing their gimmicks flop though. And yes, they are gimmicks -- it's not a matter of opinion.

Poor graphics. Not mainstream enough for real gamers.

At worst they will go back to gamecube days. That pretty much means they'll make tons of money.

ActicEdge

They're not 'dying'; they're just not good anymore.

I don't mind seeing their gimmicks flop though. And yes, they are gimmicks -- it's not a matter of opinion.

SkyWard20

Yet again how are they not good? Even if you don't like the Wii.. You cannot deny the success they have with many of their games, not to mention the Nintendo DS.. Which has basically dominated the handheld market since its creation...

They're not 'dying'; they're just not good anymore.

I don't mind seeing their gimmicks flop though. And yes, they are gimmicks -- it's not a matter of opinion.

SkyWard20

At worst they will go back to gamecube days. That pretty much means they'll make tons of money.

ActicEdge

Bad decisions, overpricing, etc. You can say the same thing about Sony in 2006-2007.

Bad decisions, overpricing, etc. You can say the same thing about Sony in 2006-2007.

i3DS

Except Nintendo caught on and decided to lower the price early on.

People are being overdramatic. Nintendo's not dieing. They're just trying to find their space in the handheld market.

At worst they will go back to gamecube days. That pretty much means they'll make tons of money.

[QUOTE="i3DS"]

Bad decisions, overpricing, etc. You can say the same thing about Sony in 2006-2007.

LegatoSkyheart

Except Nintendo caught on and decided to lower the price early on.

People are being overdramatic. Nintendo's not dieing. They're just trying to find their space in the handheld market.

minh800

Trying to find their space? Nintendo has dominated the handheld market since the creation of the first Gameboy..

-_-

...Deathbed huh?

[QUOTE="minh800"]

People are being overdramatic. Nintendo's not dieing. They're just trying to find their space in the handheld market.

sSubZerOo

Trying to find their space? Nintendo has dominated the handheld market since the creation of the first Gameboy..

It's a completely different market now. You can see that Nintendo is struggling to find their place in the market by how they're handling the 3DS. They're trying to make it a core gamer's device but I don't see that working out. They're trying to make it casual friendly but, so far, that isn't working either. Nintendo tried to sell it at as a premium product but the market rejected it entirely, and Nintendo had to react accordingly.

Yes, Nintendo is trying to find their space in the portable market.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

At worst they will go back to gamecube days. That pretty much means they'll make tons of money.

SaltyMeatballs

Nintendo made more money in that generation than Sony did. I think it is indeed tons of money.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

At worst they will go back to gamecube days. That pretty much means they'll make tons of money.

ActicEdge

Nintendo made more money in that generation than Sony did. I think it is indeed tons of money.

I'm calling BS. The PS2 sold way too much software for that to happen. Got a source?

Bad decisions, overpricing, etc. You can say the same thing about Sony in 2006-2007.

i3DS

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] I doubt tons, but they will make money :Pminh800

Nintendo made more money in that generation than Sony did. I think it is indeed tons of money.

I'm calling BS. The PS2 sold way too much software for that to happen. Got a source?

That generation would include profits from the gameboy advance too which was a super successful system second only to the PS2 so it at all isn't unreasonable.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

They're not 'dying'; they're just not good anymore.

I don't mind seeing their gimmicks flop though. And yes, they are gimmicks -- it's not a matter of opinion.

DarkLink77

I've said it a lot of times before: the motion controls, designed primarily for casuals that like to pretend their Wii-mote is a katana or a lightsaber or something. The remote doesn't really work for anyone but Nintendo since they're the only ones that bother developing for it; it's not a console that's attractive to third-party support. Flailing my arms around doesn't get me immersed or make me feel like I'm using something better than a mouse or keyboard, for example. It just looks silly.

All the Casualtendo software that stems from using the Wii to try to appeal to minors: Wii Music, Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit -- all worthless, vapid, commercial garbage that Nintendo keeps marketing, as if the system didn't have enough shovelware already.

Lack of innovation where it counts -- Nintendo hasn't expanded their library at all, and they're not letting any developer do that either. I'm not going to always want to playMario, even if it's a great platforming experience. They haven't really progressed much at all; other systems have games like Heavy Rain, L.A. Noire, Mass Effect, and Portal 2.Where does that leave Nintendo, really?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] I doubt tons, but they will make money :Pminh800

Nintendo made more money in that generation than Sony did. I think it is indeed tons of money.

I'm calling BS. The PS2 sold way too much software for that to happen. Got a source?

The amount of money that Sony made off of PS2's are peanuts compared to Nintendo making money off of Wii's. Not to mention that Sony had literally blown all of their profits made off of both PS1 & the PS2 on the PS3.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

They're not 'dying'; they're just not good anymore.

I don't mind seeing their gimmicks flop though. And yes, they are gimmicks -- it's not a matter of opinion.

sSubZerOo

Yet again how are they not good? Even if you don't like the Wii.. You cannot deny the success they have with many of their games, not to mention the Nintendo DS.. Which has basically dominated the handheld market since its creation...

The original DS might be interesting; I don't really follow the market for handhelds though.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

They're not 'dying'; they're just not good anymore.

I don't mind seeing their gimmicks flop though. And yes, they are gimmicks -- it's not a matter of opinion.

SkyWard20

I've said it a lot of times before: the motion controls, designed primarily for casuals that like to pretend their Wii-mote is a katana or a lightsaber or something. The remote doesn't really work for anyone but Nintendo since they're the only ones that bother developing for it; it's not a console that's attractive to third-party support. Flailing my arms around doesn't get me immersed or make me feel like I'm using something better than a mouse or keyboard, for example. It just looks silly.

All the Casualtendo software that stems from using the Wii to try to appeal to minors: Wii Music, Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit -- all worthless, vapid, commercial garbage that Nintendo keeps marketing, as if the system didn't have enough shovelware already.

Lack of innovation where it counts -- Nintendo hasn't expanded their library at all, and they're not letting any developer do that either. I'm not going to always want to playMario, even if it's a great platforming experience. They haven't really progressed much at all; other systems have games like Heavy Rain, L.A. Noire, Mass Effect, and Portal 2.Where does that leave Nintendo, really?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

They're not 'dying'; they're just not good anymore.

I don't mind seeing their gimmicks flop though. And yes, they are gimmicks -- it's not a matter of opinion.

SkyWard20

Yet again how are they not good? Even if you don't like the Wii.. You cannot deny the success they have with many of their games, not to mention the Nintendo DS.. Which has basically dominated the handheld market since its creation...

The original DS might be interesting; I don't really follow the market for handhelds though.

They're not 'dying'; they're just not good anymore.

I don't mind seeing their gimmicks flop though. And yes, they are gimmicks -- it's not a matter of opinion.

SkyWard20

You are hardly the definitive source for what is fact and what isn't so you should probably stop pretending you are. Especially with an incredibly blanket statement with no evidence or even thought put into it :|

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Nintendo made more money in that generation than Sony did. I think it is indeed tons of money.

garland51

I'm calling BS. The PS2 sold way too much software for that to happen. Got a source?

The amount of money that Sony made off of PS2's are peanuts compared to Nintendo making money off of Wii's. Not to mention that Sony had literally blown all of their profits made off of both PS1 & the PS2 on the PS3.

I have no idea why you're mentioning any of that.

How is Nintendo on its deathbed?:|

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Nintendo made more money in that generation than Sony did. I think it is indeed tons of money.

ActicEdge

I'm calling BS. The PS2 sold way too much software for that to happen. Got a source?

That generation would include profits from the gameboy advance too which was a super successful system second only to the PS2 so it at all isn't unreasonable.

But you were acting like the GameCube was the one that made Nintendo tons of profit, not the GBA. I want to see some proof that the GameCube made Nintendo tons of money since their stocks fell quite a bit during the GameCube Era.

They ran out of worthwhile gimmicks and they also finally have competition in the casual sector.

They ran out of worthwhile gimmicks and they also finally have competition in the casual sector.Fizzman

Indeed. I don't think it will be as easy for Nintendo to be hugely successful with both the Wii U & the 3DS like they had been with the Wii & DS.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

I'm calling BS. The PS2 sold way too much software for that to happen. Got a source?

minh800

That generation would include profits from the gameboy advance too which was a super successful system second only to the PS2 so it at all isn't unreasonable.

But you were acting like the GameCube was the one that made Nintendo tons of profit, not the GBA. I want to see some proof that the GameCube made Nintendo tons of money since their stocks fell quite a bit during the GameCube Era.

No I didn't, I said Nintendo made more money then Sony did that generation. I didn't say off the Gamecube. Since this thread is about Nintendo and not its consoles or handhelds specifically it only makes sense that I refer to generations. Generally though we refer to gens as the console that came out. No one says the GBA days or GBC days or Gamegear days obviouly.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

That generation would include profits from the gameboy advance too which was a super successful system second only to the PS2 so it at all isn't unreasonable.

ActicEdge

But you were acting like the GameCube was the one that made Nintendo tons of profit, not the GBA. I want to see some proof that the GameCube made Nintendo tons of money since their stocks fell quite a bit during the GameCube Era.

No I didn't, I said Nintendo made more money then Sony did that generation. I didn't say off the Gamecube. Since this thread is about Nintendo and not its consoles or handhelds specifically it only makes sense that I refer to generations. Generally though we refer to gens as the console that came out. No one says the GBA days or GBC days or Gamegear days obviouly.

Haha, when you referred to that generation as the GameCube days, I only thought of the poorly sold GameCube even if you were talking about the GBA as well. So, when you try to connect that era with success, mass confusion arises. At least from me. I would have just used GameCube/GBA days to avoid any mistakes.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

But you were acting like the GameCube was the one that made Nintendo tons of profit, not the GBA. I want to see some proof that the GameCube made Nintendo tons of money since their stocks fell quite a bit during the GameCube Era.

minh800

No I didn't, I said Nintendo made more money then Sony did that generation. I didn't say off the Gamecube. Since this thread is about Nintendo and not its consoles or handhelds specifically it only makes sense that I refer to generations. Generally though we refer to gens as the console that came out. No one says the GBA days or GBC days or Gamegear days obviouly.

Haha, when you referred to that generation as the GameCube days, I only thought of the poorly sold GameCube even if you were talking about the GBA as well. So, when you try to connect that era with success, mass confusion arises. At least from me. I would have just used GameCube/GBA days to avoid any mistakes.

Point taken. Will do so next time.

Poor graphics. Not mainstream enough for bro gamers.

dunl12496