How Good MGS4 Depended Completely To Much On The Player....

I went to replay MGS4 yesterday and had completely forgot the controls and realised something with in the first chapter, It was only an epic game if you played to be like an epic game. For Instance games like Assasins Creed and Uncharted no matter how hard you try, it allways feels silky smooth and cinematic. But in MGS4 unless you were a master at the gameplay it was kinda of awkward. And to go from stiff gameplay to very cinematic cutscenes made it feel all broken up.

Luckily for me when i first got the game back in 08 i had replayed the previous Metal Gear Solids to get excited for MGS4's release and felt comfortable with the controls and got that cinematic/epic feeling the whole way through. Now after replaying it i don't think it should have gotten a 10, does anyone (excluding fanboys who have never played MGS4) think the same thing? :|

MGS4 is the best game this gen :)

Haters gona HATE

Oh i love MGS4, i'm just trying to make a point, and yes it proably is the best game of this gen, just not a ten...

I just replayed it as well and feel as though it is a masterpiece. Controls were easy to pickup.Loved it more than the first play through. Def a 10 in my opinion.

Isn't that the same for every game though?

what? isn't this just an opinion, don't know about you i know if i were to go back to mgs 4 i would get it like that since i played the game alot its second nature to me. if you don't like the controls you have an option to change them

I think it is good only if you played all the other MGS games. If you didnt its just average.

I think its like that for most games. But the 1st time I played MGS4 the controls/gameplay felt just fine to me.

I really wish they'd update it with trophies. :( Maybe then I'd get round to giving it a second play through.angelkimne

Same here bro, Its the only game that I would go back and platinum and it's the only game that actually made me wish it had trophies where as in others I really didn't give a hoot.

boy they really put too much power in my hands then because apparently i let myself down by figuring out their game was completely broken by putting in a one shot tranqulizer gun with unlimited ammo in the first level.

how dare i ruin their game, bad me bad bad bad.

Controls are fine, best of the series and better than most of the other TPS games, more tactical than Gears or Uncharted.

Mass Effect 2 is better.SaltyMeatballs

boy they really put too much power in my hands then because apparently i let myself down by figuring out their game was completely broken by putting in a one shot tranqulizer gun with unlimited ammo in the first level.

how dare i ruin their game, bad me bad bad bad.

Riverwolf007

It's not controls, it's just how snake is really stiff and everythings kind of awkward when your in gameplay, unless your really good at controlling snake it's hard to make feel living. Unlike Uncharted 2 where Drake is allways moving fluidly and talking, etc, etc

I think most were fine with the gameplay; Maybe even the people who disliked the game. I think the thing that killed it for some was the story. Just went too far. In my opinion, its harder to keep up with the story later in the game than mgs2(which I thought was a breeze). Alot of it seemed unnecessary. Then again, you can never tell who is playing drama queen 'round here :P

I like all the Metal Gears before MSG4 and i was alot more excited and entertained going through them the 1st time then i was with MSG4. That being said I thought it was a fun game and still liked it quite a bit

bahaha at people here.

just 'cause you get lost in the story doesn't mean it's piss poor writing. it's your fault for not being able to follow the story at all. i bet you havent even read a single Ludlum book. what do you guys read, Twilight? rofl.

20 hour game with only 4 hours of gameplay................lol @ cows who think it deserves a 10

So your point is the game plays well if you play it well? What a big surprise.

20 hour game with only 4 hours of gameplay................lol @ cows who think it deserves a 10

GrabTheYayo

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20 hour game with only 4 hours of gameplay................lol @ cows who think it deserves a 10

DroidPhysX

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[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

20 hour game with only 4 hours of gameplay................lol @ cows who think it deserves a 10

GrabTheYayo

Sorry GS gave it a 10...and thats all that matters in SW

assassin's creed is an example of game design where simple input leads to complex results (hold down a button while you run and youll acrobatically go over any obstacle or a single button press with a wide timing window will instantly kill an enemy with a long animation of altair disarming and maming his foe). the problem with AC in particular is that the inputs are so simple that the action is shallow. it works for a basic action like movement, but when the counter is the solution for every combat situation it makes the meat of the game (the assassinations) feel unrewarding. it doesnt feel like there is any skill involved, so there isnt any reward upon doing the task.

i prefer mgs4 in this regard because the mechanics are complex enough to make it feel like im actually doing something. if snake does a complex action like slinking through shadows from cover to cover, sticking up a guard, stealing his dogtags, and knocking him out, then ive done a good deal of input with many opportunities for failure and actually accomplished something. i focus on the individual steps rather think "i want to kill this guy. done. this guy. done. this guy..." there is room for simple intuitive movements in gaming (i think most fighting games are convoluted), but there comes a point where you arent really doing anything.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]The 360 has how much AAAAEs? Doesnt matter what cows think. GS gave it a 10

DroidPhysX

Sorry GS gave it a 10...and thats all that matters in SW

20 hour game with only 4 hours of gameplay................lol @ cows who think it deserves a 10

GrabTheYayo

I disagree, the controls never felt awkward to me.

I still don't really understand this thread....

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[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]i dont care what GS gave it. i only use gametrailers and metacritc as my source for reviews. a game with 10% gameplay and 90% cutscene is not a 10.

GrabTheYayo

Sorry GS gave it a 10...and thats all that matters in SW

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20 hour game with only 4 hours of gameplay................lol @ cows who think it deserves a 10

aaronmullan

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[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

20 hour game with only 4 hours of gameplay................lol @ cows who think it deserves a 10

GrabTheYayo

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

20 hour game with only 4 hours of gameplay................lol @ cows who think it deserves a 10

GrabTheYayo

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]The 360 has how much AAAAEs? Doesnt matter what cows think. GS gave it a 10

Chutebox

MGS4 is the best game this gen :)

Haters gona HATE

iMojo786_PSN

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Play games before you ignorantly bash them please.Chutebox

MGS4 is the best game this gen :)

Haters gona HATE

iMojo786_PSN

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]i did play it. i played mgs 3-4-peace walker. i think im in the right to bash it

GrabTheYayo

Guess it was just me, but I played it like I play mgs3 so it took me about 8 hours. Alot of people say 4. I just wanna see how they play it. There are speedruns, and then rushed type play. Infact...if you look for all the items and such on a first playthrough, try not to get caught at all, and actually sneak..It can be a pretty long game. After that it'll take about 4-5 hours on all other playthroughs from then on. 3-4 depending if you know it like the back of your hand.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]The 360 has how much AAAAEs? Doesnt matter what cows think. GS gave it a 10

antifanboyftw

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]i did play it. i played mgs 3-4-peace walker. i think im in the right to bash it

GrabTheYayo