Lost Odyssey gets docked points for being too traditional with a turn based battle system
yet I dont see any of that crap on the Persona 4 Review
LO 7.5
P4 9.0
HMMMM RIGHT THAT MAKES DAMN SENSE
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Lost Odyssey gets docked points for being too traditional with a turn based battle system
yet I dont see any of that crap on the Persona 4 Review
LO 7.5
P4 9.0
HMMMM RIGHT THAT MAKES DAMN SENSE
I thought you where done with Gamespot?
Also it could be Persona 4 had a battle system that is more fun than LO, it also has alot of other stuff to it. I loved LO, it seems Persona 4 is a better RPG. I haven't played it yet, but I played alittle bit of Persona 3 FES and found it to be great.
Lulz, and Lef4Dead got "docked" with a "con" because the "Campaign is less fun when played alone"....for a coop game. Welcome to subjective reviews, where something is gamebreaking to one person, but not to another.Lost Odyssey gets docked points for being too traditional with a turn based battle system
yet I dont see any of that crap on the Persona 4 Review
LO 7.5
P4 9.0
HMMMM RIGHT THAT MAKES DAMN SENSE
supermechakirby
ahaha at least one person noticed yea but even on neogaf you catch sight of reviews of gamespot I got pissed off and decided to come complainI thought you where done with Gamespot?
Also it could be Persona 4 had a battle system that is more fun than LO, it also has alot of other stuff to it. I loved LO, it seems Persona 4 is a better RPG. I haven't played it yet, but I played alittle bit of Persona 3 FES and found it to be great.
Chaos_HL21
I always chuckle a bit when I see the term "docked points". Does GS release some spreadsheet that details what points get taken off for which issues, and I've just never seen it?Teufelhuhnits nice that the main negative points in the review of one game aren't even mentioned in the review of another game with the same features...
LO didn't have enough anime crap in it. Instant fail.heretrixThis it seems. Anime crap = better game OBVIOUSLY.
Maybe Persona 4 is a better game, have you ever thought about that?kunggustafIn what way? Story? No. graphics? No. Sound? No. I don't see how it's better, more emo and animeish, yes, but not better.
I always chuckle a bit when I see the term "docked points". Does GS release some spreadsheet that details what points get taken off for which issues, and I've just never seen it?TeufelhuhnLaughing from the Laughing Man... LOL
I like the Mega Man ZX Advent review.
STORY: Is a rehash of the first
Oh really? Different antagonist, different reason for fighting, the game of destiny, competing Mega Men, what Pandora and Prometheus really are, all the plot twists and double crosses, and the ending?
Some how I wonder if they even finished the game. Well they did claim that it was super difficult which I didn't really think it was.
As a gamer who played approximately 30+ RPGs last gen and most of this gen's, LO isn't that impressive, while Persona 4 is.110million
As a gamer who has played around the same amount of JRPG's, and even more if we count WRPG's, LO is impressive, and Persona 4 is also. I still prefer LO, though. See, it's all subjective.
you want to know why Persona 4 outscored Lost Odyssey? Its because Persona 4 doesn't have a wanna-be badass main character. Kaim has to be the worst character ever made. Marcus Fenix is more exciting than him.
Seth: You ok?
Kaim "the badass": Don't ever look at me like that again
yah real badass :roll:
[QUOTE="110million"]As a gamer who played approximately 30+ RPGs last gen and most of this gen's, LO isn't that impressive, while Persona 4 is.BioShockOwnz
As a gamer who has played around the same amount of JRPG's, and even more if we count WRPG's, LO is impressive, and Persona 4 is also. I still prefer LO, though. See, it's all subjective.
Wait, you beat P4 already? It's only been out for 3 days... Gamespot has played them both.Lost Odyssey gets docked points for being too traditional with a turn based battle system
yet I dont see any of that crap on the Persona 4 Review
LO 7.5
P4 9.0
HMMMM RIGHT THAT MAKES DAMN SENSE
Explain again what was traditional and been done before in P4?[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="110million"]As a gamer who played approximately 30+ RPGs last gen and most of this gen's, LO isn't that impressive, while Persona 4 is.X_CAPCOM_X
As a gamer who has played around the same amount of JRPG's, and even more if we count WRPG's, LO is impressive, and Persona 4 is also. I still prefer LO, though. See, it's all subjective.
Wait, you beat P4 already? It's only been out for 3 days... Gamespot has played them both.He never said he beat it.
[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Wait, you beat P4 already? It's only been out for 3 days... Gamespot has played them both.As a gamer who has played around the same amount of JRPG's, and even more if we count WRPG's, LO is impressive, and Persona 4 is also. I still prefer LO, though. See, it's all subjective.
Silverbond
He never said he beat it.
Then why would he judge it?The Persona 4 review was written by Lark Anderson, while the Lost Odyssey review was written by Kevin VanOrd. GameSpot isn't one person.DeathScape666Also it's not like GS is the only place that's putting Persona above LO. Last gen standards and other things come into play when revieweing these games, seriously you are comparing a game released on a last gen system to a new one. And it's not like many of you have played and beaten Persona 4 to be already drawing comparisons.
Then why would he judge it?X_CAPCOM_XBecause a person can't decide whether they like or dislike a game until they complete it right?
[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]The Persona 4 review was written by Lark Anderson, while the Lost Odyssey review was written by Kevin VanOrd. GameSpot isn't one person.Dystopian-XAlso it's not like GS is the only place that's putting Persona above LO. Last gen standards and other things come into play when revieweing these games, seriously you are comparing a game released on a last gen system to a new one. And it's not like many of you have played and beaten Persona 4 to be already drawing comparisons. What you said. Also, why be angry that a better game is released? Why not be excited that you will play it, and it will be fun? Hmmm:roll:
[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"] Wait, you beat P4 already? It's only been out for 3 days... Gamespot has played them both.X_CAPCOM_X
He never said he beat it.
Then why would he judge it?You don't need to beat a game in order to judge it.
True but do you have to play it? Not many here that are saying LO is better are actually even playing P4 or have played it more than LO.You don't need to beat a game in order to judge it.
Silverbond
[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"] Then why would he judge it?BumFluff122Because a person can't decide whether they like or dislike a game until they complete it right?I'm not sure you're aware of this individual's posting reputation.
If you are seriously asking; I'm sure Gamespot beat both. I would that trust someone's opinion is genuine if they actually beat them both, rather than 'subjectively' deciding that the other game is better because it's on Xbox 360.
Well, whatever, to each his own, i guess.
[QUOTE="Silverbond"]True but do you have to play it? Not many here that are saying LO is better are actually even playing P4 or have played it more than LO.You don't need to beat a game in order to judge it.
Dystopian-X
You know what... that probably is true!
I don't normally pay attention to the nicknames that post I merely read the posts and reply unless I really like the way someone posts and isn't too much of a fan of one console or system. That being said even if he may be a huge fan of one system what he posted in this argument can't be written off so lightly. You don't need to finish a game to judge it. Regardless if Gamespot finished both games or not that doesn't mean a gamer has to finish the game completely in order to decide whether they like it or don't like it. What he talked about in his original post was the battle system. I think the battle system for both games can be figured out in the first battle. Don't you? It's my guess that the games were given such vastly different scores even though they share the same system (Have not played either myself) because of the different reviewers.I'm not sure you're aware of this individual's posting reputation.
If you are seriously asking; I'm sure Gamespot beat both. I would that trust someone's opinion is genuine if they actually beat them both, rather than 'subjectively' deciding that the other game is better because it's on Xbox 360.
Well, whatever, to each his own, i guess.
X_CAPCOM_X
[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]I don't normally pay attention to the nicknames that post I merely read the posts and reply unless I really like the way someone posts and isn't too much of a fan of one console or system. That being said even if he may be a huge fan of one system what he posted in this argument can't be written off so lightly. You don't need to finish a game to judge it. Regardless if Gamespot finished both games or not that doesn't mean a gamer has to finish the game completely in order to decide whether they like it or don't like it. What he talked about in his original post was the battle system. I think the battle system for both games can be figured out in the first battle. Don't you? It's my guess that the games were given such vastly different scores even though they share the same system (Have not played either myself) because of the different reviewers. You completely missed the objective of my post. It's pathetic that people are angry. I'm calling it: This game has only been out for 3 days, and people are angry? Why? Well, I'm damn sure that 99.9% of the people who are complaining haven't even played the game yet. So why would they be angry? Oh, it's about console..I'm not sure you're aware of this individual's posting reputation.
If you are seriously asking; I'm sure Gamespot beat both. I would that trust someone's opinion is genuine if they actually beat them both, rather than 'subjectively' deciding that the other game is better because it's on Xbox 360.
Well, whatever, to each his own, i guess.
BumFluff122
You know what this thread is. Come on.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]I don't normally pay attention to the nicknames that post I merely read the posts and reply unless I really like the way someone posts and isn't too much of a fan of one console or system. That being said even if he may be a huge fan of one system what he posted in this argument can't be written off so lightly. You don't need to finish a game to judge it. Regardless if Gamespot finished both games or not that doesn't mean a gamer has to finish the game completely in order to decide whether they like it or don't like it. What he talked about in his original post was the battle system. I think the battle system for both games can be figured out in the first battle. Don't you? It's my guess that the games were given such vastly different scores even though they share the same system (Have not played either myself) because of the different reviewers. You completely missed the objective of my post. It's pathetic that people are angry. I'm calling it: This game has only been out for 3 days, and people are angry? Why? Well, I'm damn sure that 99.9% of the people who are complaining haven't even played the game yet. So why would they be angry? Oh, it's about console..I'm not sure you're aware of this individual's posting reputation.
If you are seriously asking; I'm sure Gamespot beat both. I would that trust someone's opinion is genuine if they actually beat them both, rather than 'subjectively' deciding that the other game is better because it's on Xbox 360.
Well, whatever, to each his own, i guess.
X_CAPCOM_X
You know what this thread is. Come on.
Aside from the TC, the only person in this thread that seems to be angry is you. And there is nothing wrong with Bio's posting rep. He's pretty fair when it comes to the consoles and their games.LO didn't have enough anime crap in it. Instant fail.heretrixwhat did you say!!! anime is not crap it is a prevledge!!
From the look sof it you are one of those people who argue with "You probably haven't even played the game /thread" types of arguments than actually discussing the matter. You are questioning whether he played the game or not, not arguing that one is better than the other. But lets say he did play the game. What makes his opinion of the game any less than yours or the next person in line? Yes I do know what this thread is. However you seem to be taking it off on a tangent of "He didn't really play the game" rather than actually discussing the matter at hand which is "Why was one game rated so highly over another with much the same battle system". Perhaps you should explain the differences in the battle systems rather than just writing it off as he didn't play the game or finish it.You completely missed the objective of my post. It's pathetic that people are angry. I'm calling it: This game has only been out for 3 days, and people are angry? Why? Well, I'm damn sure that 99.9% of the people who are complaining haven't even played the game yet. So why would they be angry? Oh, it's about console..
You know what this thread is. Come on.
X_CAPCOM_X
Because a person can't decide whether they like or dislike a game until they complete it right?I'm not sure you're aware of this individual's posting reputation.[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"] Then why would he judge it?X_CAPCOM_X
If you are seriously asking; I'm sure Gamespot beat both. I would that trust someone's opinion is genuine if they actually beat them both, rather than 'subjectively' deciding that the other game is better because it's on Xbox 360.
Well, whatever, to each his own, i guess.
Yeah, I'm the guy who owns every system. Can you say the same?
I thought your said you wouldn't come vere back over here :?Giancar
Seeing a last gen JRPG outscore all the current gen ones is enough to push him to come back apparently. :lol:
[QUOTE="110million"]As a gamer who played approximately 30+ RPGs last gen and most of this gen's, LO isn't that impressive, while Persona 4 is.BioShockOwnz
As a gamer who has played around the same amount of JRPG's, and even more if we count WRPG's, LO is impressive, and Persona 4 is also. I still prefer LO, though. See, it's all subjective.
The review is subjective also. That's what people don't understand. Not to mention P4 and LO had different reviewers[QUOTE="heretrix"]LO didn't have enough anime crap in it. Instant fail.-Mad_Rhetoric-what did you say!!! anime is not crap it is a prevledge!!Everything's a privilege when you are 15 and don't know any better...:P
I kid, I kid...And I wasn't really serious the first time I posted.I liked Persona 3 and I'm looking forward to playing the new one. Just not right now.
I thought your said you wouldn't come vere back over here :?Giancarhahaha that is awesome that one post in that really popular thread got noticed... I figured no one would see it or care either way like I said, I have been waiting for the Persona 4 review, because when I would talk about Lost Odyssey people would say that Persona 4 was going to be better, RIGHT after criticizing Lost Odysseys old Turn based battle system...
what did you say!!! anime is not crap it is a prevledge!!Everything's a privilege when you are 15 and don't know any better...:P[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"][QUOTE="heretrix"]LO didn't have enough anime crap in it. Instant fail.heretrix
I kid, I kid...And I wasn't really serious the first time I posted.I liked Persona 3 and I'm looking forward to playing the new one. Just not right now.
I wasn't serious either :)well it's not hypocritical, if they were being not "plastic" about their review.
hypocrite=basically someone who shows a side of him/her that doesnt truly reflect on who he/she is
at least SMT series brings/brought something new to the table...
LO brought in a very involving storyline, very appealing characters, and a very mehhhhh battle system...
even Tales of Vesperia is greater then Lost Odyssey.
BioShockOwnz said "Yeah, I'm the guy who owns every system. Can you say the same?"
EDIT: It wasn't letting me quote the post. My response is below.
That doesn't mean anything. All that means is that you have a lot of money. it doesn't nullify bias, as other members have already laid it out for you:
[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Just for the future, if anyone says I don't own a PS3 and haven't tried out Home...white_soxI don't believe he ever said you did, you can still show a bias by owning all three consoles...I own a Wii and don't care for it, but I don't find it necessary to bash it on the forums.
From the look sof it you are one of those people who argue with "You probably haven't even played the game /thread" types of arguments than actually discussing the matter. You are questioning whether he played the game or not, not arguing that one is better than the other. But lets say he did play the game. What makes his opinion of the game any less than yours or the next person in line? Yes I do know what this thread is. However you seem to be taking it off on a tangent of "He didn't really play the game" rather than actually discussing the matter at hand which is "Why was one game rated so highly over another with much the same battle system". Perhaps you should explain the differences in the battle systems rather than just writing it off as he didn't play the game or finish it.BumFluff122
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