How is researching buying a PC inconvenient when....

Some of you will spend hours, if not DAYS on System Wars arguing over why PC gaming takes up "Too much of your time" To get started?

People have different priorities.

All most people require of a PC is that it has an internet application and it doesn't crash every 5 minutes. A gaming PC requires more than most people need, want, or care to know about.

All most people require of a PC is that it has an internet application and it doesn't crash every 5 minutes. A gaming PC requires more than most people need, want, or care to know about.

Pug-Nasty

Because researching about how to assemble a pc leads to knowing what you are doing, unlike arguing in SW where you don't know anything about it but you still talk as if you did.

I was just about to do some research to buy a new PC, but since I had to respond to this topic, it is now terribly inconvenient.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

All most people require of a PC is that it has an internet application and it doesn't crash every 5 minutes. A gaming PC requires more than most people need, want, or care to know about.

dj_pulserfan

I don't really get your point. It's like your implying we shouldn't waste time and always be doing something productive, and you think something productive is building a PC to play games on.

If someone were to adopt your suggestion, games wouldn't be a factor anymore.

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

All most people require of a PC is that it has an internet application and it doesn't crash every 5 minutes. A gaming PC requires more than most people need, want, or care to know about.

Pug-Nasty

I don't really get your point. It's like your implying we shouldn't waste time and always be doing something productive, and you think something productive is building a PC to play games on.

If someone were to adopt your suggestion, games wouldn't be a factor anymore.

I'm not saying you HAVE to be productive on a PC ALL the time. What I'm saying is that console owners will start a thread about how much they hate the PC, then sit for 10 hours complaining about it. Without realizing that they could have researched a PC, figured out the basics and realize every assumption they've read on "PC Gaming is Dead" articles on Kotaku are well, flat out wrong.

And ontop of that, you do research into whatever console you want to buy. I'm sure you'd like to know what features it has or doesn't, what games that appeal to you, etc. People continue and will continue to harp on the PC off of assumptions and half-truths without any research.

Because researching about how to assemble a pc leads to knowing what you are doing, unlike arguing in SW where you don't know anything about it but you still talk as if you did.

Elitro

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"] Yeah, I don't get that. Some people here are on system wars nearly ALL the time. I hardly post but when I come back the same console owners are arguing, keeping threads going. And don't get me started on loosingends or reach3, those two could have been programmers by now.dj_pulserfan

I don't really get your point. It's like your implying we shouldn't waste time and always be doing something productive, and you think something productive is building a PC to play games on.

If someone were to adopt your suggestion, games wouldn't be a factor anymore.

I'm not saying you HAVE to be productive on a PC ALL the time. What I'm saying is that console owners will start a thread about how much they hate the PC, then sit for 10 hours complaining about it. Without realizing that they could have researched a PC, figured out the basics and realize every assumption they've read on "PC Gaming is Dead" articles on Kotaku are well, flat out wrong.

And ontop of that, you do research into whatever console you want to buy. I'm sure you'd like to know what features it has or doesn't, what games that appeal to you, etc. People continue and will continue to harp on the PC off of assumptions and half-truths without any research.

2012 and still under educated morons find an everyday appliance to difficult to comprehend.

What the hell is wrong with society. Chicks don't even know how to cook anymore. Morons probably still can't change a tire or they're oil.

Lazy freaking society who wants everything done for them.

Haters gonna hate.

12 year old kids will be 12 years old.

2012 and still under educated morons find an everyday appliance to difficult to comprehend.

What the hell is wrong with society. Chicks don't even know how to cook anymore. Morons probably still can't change a tire or they're oil.

Lazy freaking society who wants everything done for them.

The__Havoc

Ok gramps. Its 2012 and you are sexist and cannot spell.

fail theard tc

Because consolites need excuses to bash PC.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

2012 and still under educated morons find an everyday appliance to difficult to comprehend.

What the hell is wrong with society. Chicks don't even know how to cook anymore. Morons probably still can't change a tire or they're oil.

Lazy freaking society who wants everything done for them.

15strong

Ok gramps. Its 2012 and you are sexist and cannot spell.

Yes I'm sure grand dads use such words like chicks. So where are my spelling errors huh moron? to - too they're - their?

Spelled right. Used wrong.

Because fanboys will always be fanboys, and the interwebz is the perfect place for that kind of behaviour.

It's definitely something worth looking at. The strangest thing is that people keeps thinking it's hard while in fact the only hard part is screwing the mobo to the case. And talking about hard, most hardware now is resilient enough to be safely called moron proof - if you don't try to make it fit by hitting it with a hammer there's no way anything can break.

It's definitely something worth looking at. The strangest thing is that people keeps thinking it's hard while in fact the only hard part is screwing the mobo to the case. And talking about hard, most hardware now is resilient enough to be safely called moron proof - if you don't try to make it fit by hitting it with a hammer there's no way anything can break.

N30F3N1X

Yeah lining up the mobo can be annoying at times. The rest basically snaps in. Applying the CPU to the MOBO can be a bit tricky sometimes too, but not if you can follow an intruction or two.

I just upgraded my old 2001 PC from the following specs:

AMD 1.47ghz Athlon XP 1700+, ASUS A7M266 mobo, ASUS GF4-Ti 4200, 2gb RAM

to the following specs:

Intel dualcore 2.6ghz Celeron E3400, MSI G41M-P26 mobo, 512mb GF 8600 GT, 4gb RAM

I also chucked the built-in 250w PSU of the Antec case and replaced it with a not-as-old Thermaltake 430w PSU.

All the drives remain unchanged.

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It took me about 10 minutes to disconnect and remove all cables, remove all add-on cards, unscrew motherboard screws, and remove the old motherboard. I was taking my time too.

It took me less than a minute to dust the case inside and another minute to clean out 6 years worth of dust from the removed components (last cleaned in 2005).

It took me 30 minutes to install new CPU and new RAM on new motherboard, secure the finished assembly inside the case, and reconnect all cables and wiring.

I was done with the hardware part in less than an hour.

I then decided to reinstall (in separate partitions) 32-bit XP Home and 64-bit Win Server 2008 R2 + the drivers. I'd say I took 3 hours for both including Windows Updates for each one. Each OS had at least 100 patches and updates. Once that was done, I called it a night and took a snooze. The next day was mostly adding apps.

I probably spent 6 hours total on a one-time session upgrading hardware and installing software for two OSes before I installed the first game. But, I won't have to repeat it again for a few years.

Now, I can't seem to part with the old workhorse.....:lol:

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Everything was done "by the numbers." I didn't have to retrace my steps or get stumped by something unexpected.

This is far more complicated to build than a computer

But I guarantee the vast majority of gamers here have built lego sets before.

There's just an ever-lasting stigma about PCs that leads people to think they're complicated. I don't know where it was born from though.

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2012 and still under educated morons find an everyday appliance to difficult to comprehend.

What the hell is wrong with society. Chicks don't even know how to cook anymore. Morons probably still can't change a tire or they're oil.

Lazy freaking society who wants everything done for them.

15strong

Ok gramps. Its 2012 and you are sexist and cannot spell.

I think you missed his joke.

[QUOTE="15strong"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

2012 and still under educated morons find an everyday appliance to difficult to comprehend.

What the hell is wrong with society. Chicks don't even know how to cook anymore. Morons probably still can't change a tire or they're oil.

Lazy freaking society who wants everything done for them.

Link3301

Ok gramps. Its 2012 and you are sexist and cannot spell.

I think you missed his joke.

Apparently everyone else did to. I fail to see the funny :lol:

They have an enormous amount of time left because they don't do any research, so much that they have time to spend on this forum.

Research leads to people aquiring more knowledge and what mindless fanboy wants more knowledge when they can spew out their uninformed opinions. I get it though before I did my research I still had the mindset that building a PC would be hard or that I would need to build some sort of stupidly expensive rig to run modern games. Then I saw I was wrong, that might be harder for some to realise they've been wrong.

Spending time to save money and maximizing your results will never be inconvenient or described as a waste of time

TC, the lulz, man, the lulz. None to be found on Newegg :P

Console noobs post on system wars so frequently that I'm starting to think that they don't actually play any games.

Console noobs post on system wars so frequently that I'm starting to think that they don't actually play any games.

vtoshkatur

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Console noobs post on system wars so frequently that I'm starting to think that they don't actually play any games.

clone01

That's almost 3 months, writing one sentence responses really doesn't take much time for me, I don't know what it's like for you though:roll:

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[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

Console noobs post on system wars so frequently that I'm starting to think that they don't actually play any games.

vtoshkatur

That's almost 3 months, writing one sentence responses really doesn't take much time for me, I don't know what it's like for you though:roll:

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[QUOTE="clone01"] You have 1450 posts here since december of 2011. Irony?

clone01

That's almost 3 months, writing one sentence responses really doesn't take much time for me, I don't know what it's like for you though:roll:

Well as a roofing contractor I don't have a lot of work during the winter months as you can imagine.

2012 and still under educated morons find an everyday appliance to difficult to comprehend.

What the hell is wrong with society. Chicks don't even know how to cook anymore. Morons probably still can't change a tire or they're oil.

Lazy freaking society who wants everything done for them.

The__Havoc

It's definitely something worth looking at. The strangest thing is that people keeps thinking it's hard while in fact the only hard part is screwing the mobo to the case. And talking about hard, most hardware now is resilient enough to be safely called moron proof - if you don't try to make it fit by hitting it with a hammer there's no way anything can break.

N30F3N1X

Screwing in a motherboard is really hard compared to all of that.:|

Listen, if you've immersed yourself in the PC world for awhile all of that stuff is a cakewalk, but dude, most people don't know how to use a PC that's completely assembled. Lets not exaggerate the simplicity of builting a PC. It might be easy for you and I, but for most people you might as well ask then to assemble a car.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's definitely something worth looking at. The strangest thing is that people keeps thinking it's hard while in fact the only hard part is screwing the mobo to the case. And talking about hard, most hardware now is resilient enough to be safely called moron proof - if you don't try to make it fit by hitting it with a hammer there's no way anything can break.

heretrix

Screwing in a motherboard is really hard compared to all of that.:|

Listen, if you've immersed yourself in the PC world for awhile all of that stuff is a cakewalk, but dude, most people don't know how to use a PC that's completely assembled. Lets not exaggerate the simplicity of builting a PC. It might be easy for you and I, but for most people you might as well ask then to assemble a car.

Is it hard to understand when a video card recommends a 500w power supply that you should buy a 500w power supply?

Is it a hard concept to understand that a socket AM3 CPU fits into an AM3 motherboard, or that 240pin ddr3 ram fits into a motherboard with 240pin ram slots?

That's nowhere near the difficulty of building a car.

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[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's definitely something worth looking at. The strangest thing is that people keeps thinking it's hard while in fact the only hard part is screwing the mobo to the case. And talking about hard, most hardware now is resilient enough to be safely called moron proof - if you don't try to make it fit by hitting it with a hammer there's no way anything can break.

SW__Troll

Screwing in a motherboard is really hard compared to all of that.:|

Listen, if you've immersed yourself in the PC world for awhile all of that stuff is a cakewalk, but dude, most people don't know how to use a PC that's completely assembled. Lets not exaggerate the simplicity of builting a PC. It might be easy for you and I, but for most people you might as well ask then to assemble a car.

Is it hard to understand when a video card recommends a 500w power supply that you should buy a 500w power supply?

Is it a hard concept to understand that a socket AM3 CPU fits into an AM3 motherboard, or that 240pin ddr3 ram fits into a motherboard with 240pin ram slots?

That's nowhere near the difficulty of building a car.

Is it hard to understand when a video card recommends a 500w power supply that you should buy a 500w power supply?

SW__Troll

To be fair, amperage on the 12v rail is more important than overall wattage in terms of running a higher-end GPU.

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There is also the issue of static discharges when handling certain parts. All things an amateur would have to be fairly aware of.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's definitely something worth looking at. The strangest thing is that people keeps thinking it's hard while in fact the only hard part is screwing the mobo to the case. And talking about hard, most hardware now is resilient enough to be safely called moron proof - if you don't try to make it fit by hitting it with a hammer there's no way anything can break.

heretrix

Screwing in a motherboard is really hard compared to all of that.:|

Listen, if you've immersed yourself in the PC world for awhile all of that stuff is a cakewalk, but dude, most people don't know how to use a PC that's completely assembled. Lets not exaggerate the simplicity of builting a PC. It might be easy for you and I, but for most people you might as well ask then to assemble a car.

I built my first PC last year with little to no prior knowledge. And the hardest part was putting in the motherboard because I have meat-hooks that disguise themselves as hands. Once I did that everything was like a hot katana trough butter it went so smooth. Installed windows, no problem. Proper memory is laughable since it'll just work. 1155 processor will go with a 1155 motherboard. I mean hell, that was a no brainer for me. Building a PC IS simple. The problem is everyone trys to make it overcomplicated or they're just borderline retarded. If you can build a Lego House, you can build a PC with NO issue.

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[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's definitely something worth looking at. The strangest thing is that people keeps thinking it's hard while in fact the only hard part is screwing the mobo to the case. And talking about hard, most hardware now is resilient enough to be safely called moron proof - if you don't try to make it fit by hitting it with a hammer there's no way anything can break.

dj_pulserfan

Screwing in a motherboard is really hard compared to all of that.:|

Listen, if you've immersed yourself in the PC world for awhile all of that stuff is a cakewalk, but dude, most people don't know how to use a PC that's completely assembled. Lets not exaggerate the simplicity of builting a PC. It might be easy for you and I, but for most people you might as well ask then to assemble a car.

I built my first PC last year with little to no prior knowledge. And the hardest part was putting in the motherboard because I have meat-hooks that disguise themselves as hands. Once I did that everything was like a hot katana trough butter it went so smooth. Installed windows, no problem. Proper memory is laughable since it'll just work. 1155 processor will go with a 1155 motherboard. I mean hell, that was a no brainer for me. Building a PC IS simple. The problem is everyone trys to make it overcomplicated or they're just borderline retarded. If you can build a Lego House, you can build a PC with NO issue.

He didn't know anything about the types of chipsets you could get, or features on processors like 2600 vs 2600k, and basically didn't want to be bothered with research. You probably know more then you think when it comes to IT knowledge.

savagetwinkie

This stuff can be easily surmised from spec sheets though. Just because people are lazy does not mean they could not do it. When you look at a mobo's technical spec sheet it will tell you exactly what types of CPUs and RAM will go in it. If you want to compare processors, you can do it the same way. If you want it for gaming, you can just check out a couple of GPU comparison charts that show you how different games function on it. There are many ways to simplyfy the process.

I'm not speaking about your boss specifically, but the kind of people who think it's too hard are sometimes the same type who get an error prompt on a PC and don't even bother to read it but call IT or some other type of help immediatly. I've seen it too, many times, "oh something popped up on my computer". And it's like "Adobe Reader has successfully updated" or some other unimportant message. It's that people don't even want to try that's the problem, the ones who are being complete defeatists.

Is this always the case? Hell no. But I gurantee plenty of people complaining about PC gaming are imagining it's a far more grueling process than it actually is. Just about every major gaming community site I've seen has a forum where people offer help and build advice, it's there for even the most noob of people. I had a friend who was on OSX all his life but last summer after having a laptop break, pay to get it fixed out of warrenty, then break again, he asked me for a bit of advice on what to look for building a new PC, with like 5 minutes of advice he was out to look for one on his own and built a fairly high-end PC, mostly parts I would have picked myself even.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

He didn't know anything about the types of chipsets you could get, or features on processors like 2600 vs 2600k, and basically didn't want to be bothered with research. You probably know more then you think when it comes to IT knowledge.

110million

This stuff can be easily surmised from spec sheets though. Just because people are lazy does not mean they could not do it. When you look at a mobo's technical spec sheet it will tell you exactly what types of CPUs and RAM will go in it. If you want to compare processors, you can do it the same way. If you want it for gaming, you can just check out a couple of GPU comparison charts that show you how different games function on it. There are many ways to simplyfy the process.

I'm not speaking about your boss specifically, but the kind of people who think it's too hard are sometimes the same type who get an error prompt on a PC and don't even bother to read it but call IT or some other type of help immediatly. I've seen it too, many times, "oh something popped up on my computer". And it's like "Adobe Reader has successfully updated" or some other unimportant message. It's that people don't even want to try that's the problem, the ones who are being complete defeatists.

Is this always the case? Hell no. But I gurantee plenty of people complaining about PC gaming are imagining it's a far more grueling process than it actually is. Just about every major gaming community site I've seen has a forum where people offer help and build advice, it's there for even the most noob of people. I had a friend who was on OSX all his life but last summer after having a laptop break, pay to get it fixed out of warrenty, then break again, he asked me for a bit of advice on what to look for building a new PC, with like 5 minutes of advice he was out to look for one on his own and built a fairly high-end PC, mostly parts I would have picked myself even.

Even setting up consoles can be considered arcane. For example, setting up the Wii for online/internet access would be beyond many people. Same goes for some trying to set up internet access for a 360. In a couple of occasions, I had to help a couple of folks out with wireless access to their own router plus helping them set up their XBox Live.

And now with console game installations (some manditory)make consoles gimped PC's.

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Console Gaming = PC gaming for dummies.