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#1 hot114
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Ok so what were the most naughty acts performed by our big 3 this generation?
Admissions can be anything from charging theyr consumers 100$ for utilitys that cost less than 4$ to build in or publicly slanding the competition.


big image:[spoiler] I present to you the childish corp that thrashed the PS3's release party by literally "stealing the spotlight"


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#2 Pixel-Pirate
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Though I'm sure the Nintendo votes will rack up in time, I voted Microsoft for nickle and diming their customers with add ons and banning the consoles of people who use third party hard drives.

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#3 dirktu
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Microsoft for copying the Mii system, going a little too far with the DLC thing and of course the usual RROD issues leading to new models with only minor improvements (why still no Wifi?).

I still like my Xbox360 though....

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#4 wayne_kar
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Sony. for telling me their would be no rumble in their controllers this gen, then months later releasing the DS3.

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#5 suntaice
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Sony. for telling me their would be no rumble in their controllers this gen, then months later releasing the DS3.

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Whats wrong with rumbles?

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#6 wayne_kar
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[QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

Sony. for telling me their would be no rumble in their controllers this gen, then months later releasing the DS3.

suntaice

Whats wrong with rumbles?

nothing. i like rumble. i was just annoyed when sony lied about them not including rumble support in the sixaxis becouse they said rumble was a 'last gen' feature and they would not be releasing a controller that supported it..... and then did.
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#7 1080pOnly
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Did you make this poll to see how many more Sony fans there are on this board than anything else? I say that because it's all the results will show.

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#8 cdav89
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Microsoft for the usual reasons: overpricing their accessories, overdoing DLC, and RRoD (I know the new systems solved it but I'm still bitter about how my first system met it's fate to this curse >:( )

Don't get me wrong, I love 360 and play it more than my PS3 (as of now) but Microsoft seems to be the worst of the 3. Ninty's pretty close too with all of their shovelware and such.

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#9 NAPK1NS
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It's bad, no doubt. But it's still not as shameful and irrational as those awful PS3 baby ads.
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#10 hot114
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It's bad, no doubt. But it's still not as shameful and irrational as those awful PS3 baby ads. NAPK1NS
You mean those concept arts that were disaproved by sony?
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#11 zarshack
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Even though i personally think Microsoft is the lowest, i will vote Sony simply because i can and i feel like doing it. :)

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#12 RonnieLottinSF
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I voted for Nintendo because they left the core gamer behind for the faceless casual.

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#13 StealthMonkey4
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Why is there so little Nintendo votes? People don't think it's "low" to charge $200 for a gamecube with waggle? And not to mention a full controller (Wiimote, Nunchuk, Arcade controller, and Wii Motion Plus) costs almost $100. But overall Microsoft is the lowest. They release a cheap, faulty console, charge for online, nickel and dime their customers, etc.
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#14 Pixel-Pirate
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Microsoft for the usual reasons: overpricing their accessories, overdoing DLC, and RRoD (I know the new systems solved it but I'm still bitter about how my first system met it's fate to this curse >:( )

Don't get me wrong, I love 360 and play it more than my PS3 (as of now) but Microsoft seems to be the worst of the 3. Ninty's pretty close too with all of their shovelware and such.

cdav89

What shovelware? Unless we're talking about the 3rd part stuff Ninty does not make.

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#15 linkthewindow
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Microsoft, for overcharging of accessories, and overdoing DLC (particularly since this trend has moved onto PC, although it's not as widespread. Horse armor, anyone?) Charging for a inferior online service, as well. To be fair, they did act well in response to RRoD, but a problem like that shouldn't have happened in the first place.
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#16 hot114
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Hmm, 8 votes for sony so far and the only bad thing mentioned about them is that they did not include rumble from the start, cmon theres gotta be something better than that.

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#17 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="suntaice"]

[QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

Sony. for telling me their would be no rumble in their controllers this gen, then months later releasing the DS3.

wayne_kar

Whats wrong with rumbles?

nothing. i like rumble. i was just annoyed when sony lied about them not including rumble support in the sixaxis becouse they said rumble was a 'last gen' feature and they would not be releasing a controller that supported it..... and then did.

I don't think they said that. They were sued but didn't want to admit it so they said that rumble would interfere with the sixasis controls.
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#18 Ross_the_Boss6
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Hmm, 8 votes for sony so far and the only bad thing mentioned about them is that they did not include rumble from the start, cmon theres gotta be something better than that.

hot114

So basically you want people to vote for Microsoft?

I vote I don't have an opinion. I recognize they're all businesses and making money is their first priority. You gotta do what you gotta do.

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#19 Zero_epyon
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Hmm, 8 votes for sony so far and the only bad thing mentioned about them is that they did not include rumble from the start, cmon theres gotta be something better than that.

hot114
Sony doesn't really have much requirements for gamers that would be perceived as a rip off or low blow. They have free online, almost universal peripheral support, took a loss on a system with a larger feature set than its competitors and encouraged developers to produce quality games using multi-core programming, a technique that will change the face of gaming in the next generation. The good outweigh the bad in this case for many people to care.
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#20 Nerkcon
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Either Sony or Microsoft, I know that much.
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#21 gamedude234
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sony. for being arrogant.

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#22 WilliamRLBaker
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nice how you bias the entire thread.

sony: for holding a release hostage to get more content, this is a fact they've done it and a developer has admitted it how many other developers haven't admitted to being bullied by sony into putting more content on a game?

Thats low, you telling a developer okay go make the game then half way through development when they have sunk money and time into it, sorry we wont green light it for release unless you put more content in there.

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#23 Swift_Boss_A
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Hmm the obvious answer is MS, this gen they done nothing but dump on the userbase by over charging as well as doing other despicable acts, not saying Sony and Ninty are saints but this gen MS has both of them beat with their low activities. One of the main reasons I am not supporting them, yeah it's silly but I don't give a damn :P

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#24 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="hot114"]

Hmm, 8 votes for sony so far and the only bad thing mentioned about them is that they did not include rumble from the start, cmon theres gotta be something better than that.

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Sony doesn't really have much requirements for gamers that would be perceived as a rip off or low blow. They have free online, almost universal peripheral support, took a loss on a system with a larger feature set than its competitors and encouraged developers to produce quality games using multi-core programming, a technique that will change the face of gaming in the next generation. The good outweigh the bad in this case for many people to care.

1. they didn't encourage nothing, with their inept 3rd party programming, and coding support most developers floundered with the system till they learned it them selves, it was the same in the ps1 and ps2 generations. 2.universal peripheral support? no sorry bluetooth by nature is a standard so they couldn't have made it any other way, and most games dont use a keyboard or mouse. 3. and they took a loss cause they actually expected people to buy it because it was a playstation at 600 dollars not because they were being chartiable.
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#25 nintendoboy16
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As much as I love Nintendo, I'm sort of stuck between them and perhaps Microsoft.
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#26 WilliamRLBaker
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as for that are we just considering this generation? or the entire gaming age?
if the later so then nintendo and sony totally lower there standards to pond scum levels compared to microsoft in the gaming arena.

sony and nintendo have loads of skeletons in their closets known and unknown far more then microsoft when it comes to video games.

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#27 glez13
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IMO, It's a close race but M$ wins followed closely by Sony. Nintendo a distant third.

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#28 hot114
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nice how you bias the entire thread.

sony: for holding a release hostage to get more content, this is a fact they've done it and a developer has admitted it how many other developers haven't admitted to being bullied by sony into putting more content on a game?

Thats low, you telling a developer okay go make the game then half way through development when they have sunk money and time into it, sorry we wont green light it for release unless you put more content in there.WilliamRLBaker



Way to twist the facts and spread misinformation :D :D :D
Sony has had the rule that late ports (ie timed exclusives) require 20% extra content when coming over to sony consoles, the same rule applys to PS1 to PSP ports. This adds incentive for the developer to improve theyr games and add new play content instead of being able to just make a quick buck by re-selling a old game.

Its a set in stone rule and the developer you are talking about were thinking they could just milk theyr consumers with a unimproved old game, this is not the first time you have been told this yet you adamantly insist on spreading half truths and outright lies time and time again.

Universal periperal support that sony offers does not exist solely of bluetooth but also the freedom of employing USB controllers/microphones/cameras a wide plethora of flash/SD cards and hard drives, while microsoft loves to play the monopoly game forcing theyr consumers to pay theyr prices. This leads to ripoff deals like charging 100$ for wifi utility that only costs 3.85$ to build in. and HDD's being sold for well over 4(!) times the price if it was a open market.

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#29 hot114
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1. they didn't encourage nothing WilliamRLBaker


Lets see, this generation alone, and i'm just talking first party here - theyr 2nd party list is almost twice as long (but considerably lower quality excluding a few gems like Demon's souls and Heavy Rain)

Japan
* Japan Studio – Siren, LocoRoco, Patapon
* Team ICO – The Last Guardian
* Polyphony Digital – Gran Turismo

United States
* Naughty Dog - Jak & Daxter series, Uncharted series
* Santa Monica Studio – Kinetica, God of War series, Warhawk with Incognito Entertainment
* San Diego Studio – NBA, MLB: The Show
* Sony Bend – Syphon Filter, Resistance: Retribution
* Incognito Entertainment – Warhawk with SCE Studios Santa Monica, Calling All Cars
* Zipper Interactive – SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs series, MAG

United Kingdom
* London Studio – SingStar, Eyetoy, PlayStation Home with SCE Studio Cambridge
* Studio Cambridge – PlayTV, PlayStation Home with SCE London Studio
* Studio Liverpool – Wipeout, F1
* Evolution Studios – MotorStorm, World Rally Championship
* Bigbig Studios – Pursuit Force, MotorStorm: Arctic Edge

Continental Europe
* Guerrilla Games – Killzone 2

Wikipedia and google are the worsed enemys to people who can only debate with twisted facts and straightout lies :D :D :D

Please do freshen up our memorys and tell us what microsofts first partys has brought us? Feel free to include last gen if you feel that you have to :P

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#30 Flipyap28
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Nintencdo, they sold me a gamecub with motion control at 180 english pounds....
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#31 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="hot114"]

Hmm, 8 votes for sony so far and the only bad thing mentioned about them is that they did not include rumble from the start, cmon theres gotta be something better than that.

WilliamRLBaker

Sony doesn't really have much requirements for gamers that would be perceived as a rip off or low blow. They have free online, almost universal peripheral support, took a loss on a system with a larger feature set than its competitors and encouraged developers to produce quality games using multi-core programming, a technique that will change the face of gaming in the next generation. The good outweigh the bad in this case for many people to care.


1. they didn't encourage nothing, with their inept 3rd party programming, and coding support most developers floundered with the system till they learned it them selves, it was the same in the ps1 and ps2 generations.


***I meant first party. In regards to third party you're right.



2.universal peripheral support? no sorry bluetooth by nature is a standard so they couldn't have made it any other way, and most games dont use a keyboard or mouse.


***Well the 360 doesn't have bluetooth. Meaning you're limited to microsoft devices. And it's not just bluetooth. There's HD's, keyboards and mice (which are used for web browsing, and text chatting) and webcams. Most of these devices can be purchased by other companies such as Datel, Rocket Fish and Logitech. Just about anything that runs on usb and bluetooth are supported by the ps3. Which other system does this?


3. and they took a loss cause they actually expected people to buy it because it was a playstation at 600 dollars not because they were being chartiable.

***The point I was making was that even after the loss they still kept the expensive parts that made the PS3 what it was and still is instead. Or they could have just pulled the models all together and the ps4 would have been out by now just like MS did with the xbox. But they didn't an they ensured that while they work on making money of of it they kept the user experience going. hell they could have even charged for online services. And don't say "They're about to start charging" because it hasn't been confirmed what this premium service would provide or cost.

Read my comments above***

In addition, this is nothing compared to MS. Rushing a system knowing it will fail, denying free repairs until the problem becomes rampant. Then repairs them for free to avoid lawsuits, Cuts off xbox owners at the beginning of the generation by halting all production of systems and games, Charges you up to $50 a year for the same P2P(in most cases) service as PSN, and uses it's influence in media to promote itself or slander it's competition. (yahoo)

So who sank the lowest is the question. I say MS.

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#32 neildneil
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i voted microsoft just because they charge money for EVERYTHING and it's a bit ridiculous.

Sony came close after removing Backward compatibility and then saying the reason was that people who cared about it were people who already has PS2s and didn't need it... but OBVIOUSLY if they cared about they still want it. Really really annoys me, and has prevented me from buying a PS3

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#33 flazzle
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Why is there so little Nintendo votes? People don't think it's "low" to charge $200 for a gamecube with waggle? And not to mention a full controller (Wiimote, Nunchuk, Arcade controller, and Wii Motion Plus) costs almost $100. But overall Microsoft is the lowest. They release a cheap, faulty console, charge for online, nickel and dime their customers, etc.StealthMonkey4

Nah, I'll disagree about the Nintendo charging 200 for GC with waggle. It's not a GC, it's a Wii, and has full 100% BC, complete with two memory slots and 4 controller ports. Plus it has 2 USB ports, an SD slot, and internal memory. Plus they took a risk manufacturing motion technology to a scale never seen before. Just because the technology isn't in the processor and graphics card, it doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere. A sensor bar, nunchuck and wii remote that comes with the system shouldn't be ignored because you can't see graphically on your screen.

Where the technology is lacking computer chip wise, it's a far more advanced controller than Sony or 360. These controllers have internal memory on top of it and ability to add on.

It has a built in wireless network ability (something MS charges $100 for) as well.

I would have voted Sony for their BC failure (it's 'Teh cell'. It's supposed to 'do everything'), but MS really rips you off if you want to expand your harddrive or get a wireless network ability, plus their avatar's are lame, not to mention the RROD fiasco, where they only did something about it when they absolutely had to.

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#34 ManicAce
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I say Microsoft because they rushed out the console with faulty hardware, their accessory prices are quite shameless as well.
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#35 Burning-Sludge
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I voted for Nintendo because they left the core gamer behind for the faceless casual.

RonnieLottinSF

The core gamer is faceless too, or pimply.

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#36 Burning-Sludge
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Microsoft went to lowest to me. The released bad hardware, nickled and dimend consumers, and released very few of their own games on their console. Microsoft gave their console the least amount of first party support and the ironic thing about it is that Microsoft is primarily a software company and the first party support they did provide was just from a couple of studios they bought that are spinning themselves off.

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#37 deactivated-61cf0c4baf12e
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[QUOTE="suntaice"]

[QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

Sony. for telling me their would be no rumble in their controllers this gen, then months later releasing the DS3.

wayne_kar

Whats wrong with rumbles?

nothing. i like rumble. i was just annoyed when sony lied about them not including rumble support in the sixaxis becouse they said rumble was a 'last gen' feature and they would not be releasing a controller that supported it..... and then did.

I totally forgot that! Lol at sony for trying to save money!

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#38 hot114
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[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

I voted for Nintendo because they left the core gamer behind for the faceless casual.

Burning-Sludge

The core gamer is faceless too, or pimply.

hehe well i partially agree, it sucked for early adopters to discover that nintendo completey changed course on its target audience but on the other hand early adopters always get shafted somehow and you can hardly expect nintendo to slap on a label saying "this will disapoint core gamers" Wii is targetted at the casual and while this is a sudden turn from the gamecube it is not fair to blame nintendo for misguided WII purchases as Nintendo never made any effort to hide theyr change of tactic and are consistent in theyr actions. Atleast that is the impression i got from the wii.
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#39 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

I voted for Nintendo because they left the core gamer behind for the faceless casual.

Burning-Sludge

The core gamer is faceless too, or pimply.

Stereotypes are great aren't they? :roll:
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#40 kolkov01
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gotta love the TC's "unbiased" aproach in this thread :roll:
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#41 Ace6301
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Microsoft. $50 a year for online when it's free on every other platform. $100 wifi adapter. Releasing the 360 with faulty hardware. Those three reasons put Microsoft lower than Sony this gen in my opinion. They're all big companies though and as such all of them have some pretty low moments but I think microsoft has been king of the low moments the past few years. This isn't even including their OS platforms...
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#42 Bread_or_Decide
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Nintendo....endless plastic garbage peripherals. Dumbed down versions of popular games (Mario Kart). Refusing to give Wii even decent graphics upgrade from Gamecube and thumbing their nose at HD, media playing, cd playing, and other common sense features.
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#43 muzik_mafia
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Sony's been beauts this year

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#45 TheGrat1
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[QUOTE="_TheJoker_"]

[QUOTE="wayne_kar"][QUOTE="suntaice"]

Whats wrong with rumbles?

nothing. i like rumble. i was just annoyed when sony lied about them not including rumble support in the sixaxis becouse they said rumble was a 'last gen' feature and they would not be releasing a controller that supported it..... and then did.

I totally forgot that! Lol at sony for trying to save money!

Save money how? With the lack of force feedback? They could'nt put it in if they wanted to. They were being sued by Immersion Corp. ( a suit they eventually lost) the people who make the technology. After they settled Immersion was more than happy to parter with SONY again and thus the DUALSHOCK 3 was born. The DS3 would have been there at launch if it was'nt for the litigation.
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#46 Phoenix534
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Microsoft. They overcharge for DLC and nickel and dime customers.

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#47 Mogotoo
Member since 2009 • 1826 Posts

as for that are we just considering this generation? or the entire gaming age?
if the later so then nintendo and sony totally lower there standards to pond scum levels compared to microsoft in the gaming arena.

sony and nintendo have loads of skeletons in their closets known and unknown far more then microsoft when it comes to video games.WilliamRLBaker

You just reminded me of that whole Nintendo/Sony deal back in the 4th generation. Thanks :).

I can't pick just one company. I don't really feel that any one of them is significantly lower than the other.

Sony has acted rather arrogant in the past, as the first post on page 2 mentioned.

Nintendo was a complete jerk for ditching Sony in that SNES CD deal.

Microsoft has forced users to pay $50 dollars a year for online and released faulty hardware. While the justifiability of the online charge is debatable, it and the harware issues defnitely aren't the prettiest aspects of the company.

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#48 flazzle
Member since 2007 • 6507 Posts

Nintendo....endless plastic garbage peripherals. Dumbed down versions of popular games (Mario Kart). Refusing to give Wii even decent graphics upgrade from Gamecube and thumbing their nose at HD, media playing, cd playing, and other common sense features. Bread_or_Decide

Well, if they gave a decent graphics upgrade, they couldn't offer it at the price they do now.

You want them to take a loss on the console for the first time ever? N doesn't do that, and they don't have other sources of income that compare to MS or Sony.

They didn't 'thumb' their nose. They played the percentage of people that actually have HD TV's in the household.

Media playing and CD playing all require license payment, plus, obviously, it's not that important to consumers. People already have a DVD player and MP3's players, and probably higher end ones at that. Why increase the costs? Do you think people are actually going to discard their old, high end player for one on a game machine? Yeah, it would make sense if it was Sony, where they have an invested interest in the format.

If they dumped the motion controls and went for the graphic/processor race, how would they have had any more success than that of the GC?

The Wii is really the only console that does something different than a high end PC could do normally.

Plus, they were only ones that actually included a game on launch and with every system standard. A well reviewed one at that. Can't say that about the other two.

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#49 mariokart64fan
Member since 2003 • 20828 Posts

ihave a hard ime butim choosng sony because of the 600 launch price at a recession

and when they lowered the price in half they cut the features in half as well

and low amount of titles ,then th competition-wii or 360

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#50 HavocV3
Member since 2009 • 8068 Posts

Sony for 120 FPS at 1080p

Slow Blu-Ray drive that leads to mandatory installs.

Microsoft for overpriced hard drives, I'll commend for RRoD being improved

Microsoft for acting as a retailer on Marketplace

Nintendo for shovelware and rehashes of games. And games that are basically a port FROM the DS. NSMB.