How many people in System Wars think 480p is HD?

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#1 ramey70
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I see this gem pop up in topics every now and then and it baffles me. Are some people so confused as to really believe that 480p constitutes HD?
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#2 Bread_or_Decide
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Even better yet..the Wii cables that say "HD COMPONENT CABLE FOR WII"

As if the Wii can do HD. I surely hope nobdy falls for that blatant lie.

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#3 omgimba
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I never saw any of those topics....
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By definition, 480p isn't HD, because it's the same definition as 480i. The only difference is that it is progressive scan.

For 720p and 1080i, the definition is higher than standard 480i definition, so it's HD.

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Maybe wok7 thinks that...
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#6 dhjohns
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Even better yet..the Wii cables that say "HD COMPONENT CABLE FOR WII"

As if the Wii can do HD. I surely hope nobdy falls for that blatant lie.

Bread_or_Decide

Dang. So I bought the 60" plasma to go with my Wii for no reason. :P

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Even better yet..the Wii cables that say "HD COMPONENT CABLE FOR WII"

As if the Wii can do HD. I surely hope nobdy falls for that blatant lie.

dhjohns

Dang. So I bought the 60" plasma to go with my Wii for no reason. :P

Well the games would play disastorusly in 720p and above. I can stand 480p however - as long as the image is clear I'm happy
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#8 ramey70
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Not neccessarily, now when you play Carnival Games on that 60" plasma you can feel like you are really there. Without the methed up carny workers of course.
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[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Even better yet..the Wii cables that say "HD COMPONENT CABLE FOR WII"

As if the Wii can do HD. I surely hope nobdy falls for that blatant lie.

loopy_101

Dang. So I bought the 60" plasma to go with my Wii for no reason. :P

Well the games would play disastorusly in 720p and above. I can stand 480p however - as long as the image is clear I'm happy

Umm, thanks but I was kidding.

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Maybe wok7 thinks that...Lonelynight

lol, So true.

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Its insane yeah, 480p is ED, not HD..all it is really is progressive SD.
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That is one hell of a lousy version of HD then.
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#13 Runningflame570
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Not neccessarily, now when you play Carnival Games on that 60" plasma you can feel like you are really there. Without the methed up carny workers of course.ramey70

Hell a 60 inch anything is going to make the game a heck of a lot more immersive..its kind of hard for it not to be when it takes up your entire field of vision.

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480p is ED.
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Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?"
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480p is ED. but i can say when i run my wii through the scaler i bought that the image looks better when i convert a 480p to 720p than when i convert 480i to 720p. for a while i was up resing it to 1080p butthe imagelooked better at just 720p.
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Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" actionquake

Ok, so, because the term "HD" is not something you made, we should all just dump the term to use the resolution terms PC uses?

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Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" actionquake

haha exactly. for years we PC players have been playing games in "HD" and we still play games in higher resolutions than todays "HD" home consoles. I did not really get it when the companies started marketing "HD" when i have been using "HD" since the late 80's. I also think it is ruining PC gaming in some respects because the moniters they are saling are now being limited to tv's "HD" outputs. and people don't realize they are being ripped off.

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Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" actionquake

It's not a marketing slogan. It's an official standard adopted by the ATSC and defined by the International Telecommunication Union.

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i dont think, i know that anything above SD is techically classes as HD. why are you asking on here for. go too a AV website and learn what these terms mean instead of listerning too alot of missinformation a BS

Ok, so, because the term "HD" is not something you made, we should all just dump the term to use the resolution terms PC uses?

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Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD?actionquake

HD is self-explanatory it is a higher resolution than typical television and if you think its just a marketing slogan you are nuts. PCs BTW go above HD.

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[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" frankeyser

haha exactly. for years we PC players have been playing games in "HD" and we still play games in higher resolutions than todays "HD" home consoles. I did not really get it when the companies started marketing "HD" when i have been using "HD" since the late 80's. I also think it is ruining PC gaming in some respects because the moniters they are saling are now being limited to tv's "HD" outputs. and people don't realize they are being ripped off.

A PC resolution and HD broadcast standards are not to be confused with each other. In fact, the resolution isn't the only standard of HDTV. It also encompasses the audio broadcast as well.

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[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" Nagidar

Ok, so, because the term "HD" is not something you made, we should all just dump the term to use the resolution terms PC uses?

Not because I didn't make it, but because there isn't a reliable usable definition. It leads to stupid posts about how without a HDTV the 360 looks the same as the Wii (because people assume that the HD part is what makes the 360 games look so much better) or how the PC doesn't do HD (which in most cases is technically correct, but only based on the semantics of the HD definition) or how 480p is HD.

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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" actionquake

Ok, so, because the term "HD" is not something you made, we should all just dump the term to use the resolution terms PC uses?

Not because I didn't make it, but because there isn't a reliable usable definition. It leads to stupid posts about how without a HDTV the 360 looks the same as the Wii (because people assume that the HD part is what makes the 360 games look so much better) or how the PC doesn't do HD (which in most cases is technically correct, but only based on the semantics of the HD definition) or how 480p is HD.

Again, there is a usable reliable definition. The NTSC clearly defined standards for standard broadcasts and content and so too does the ATSC in regards to HD.

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[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD?Runningflame570

HD is self-explanatory it is a higher resolution than typical television and if you think its just a marketing slogan you are nuts. PCs BTW go above HD.

But a PAL TV isn't an HDTV even though it is higher resolution than an NTSC TV, or is it?

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[QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD?actionquake

HD is self-explanatory it is a higher resolution than typical television and if you think its just a marketing slogan you are nuts. PCs BTW go above HD.

But a PAL TV isn't an HDTV even though it is higher resolution than an NTSC TV, or is it?


HDTV's in Europe are governed by the DVB consortium which is similiar to the ATSC in the United States. Both the DVB and the ATSC use the same standard for High Defnition content as defined by the International Telecommunication Union.

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[QUOTE="actionquake"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" ramey70

Ok, so, because the term "HD" is not something you made, we should all just dump the term to use the resolution terms PC uses?

Not because I didn't make it, but because there isn't a reliable usable definition. It leads to stupid posts about how without a HDTV the 360 looks the same as the Wii (because people assume that the HD part is what makes the 360 games look so much better) or how the PC doesn't do HD (which in most cases is technically correct, but only based on the semantics of the HD definition) or how 480p is HD.

Again, there is a usable reliable definition. The NTSC clearly defined standards for standard broadcasts and content and so too does the ATSC in regards to HD.

A definition which means that a majority of PC gaming is not High Definition. And which makes TV's which have a resolution of 1024x768 not HDTV's even though they can display HD content.

ie

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F6SR0O/ref=olp_product_details/102-5380714-8915337?ie=UTF8&seller=

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[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="actionquake"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" actionquake

Ok, so, because the term "HD" is not something you made, we should all just dump the term to use the resolution terms PC uses?

Not because I didn't make it, but because there isn't a reliable usable definition. It leads to stupid posts about how without a HDTV the 360 looks the same as the Wii (because people assume that the HD part is what makes the 360 games look so much better) or how the PC doesn't do HD (which in most cases is technically correct, but only based on the semantics of the HD definition) or how 480p is HD.

Again, there is a usable reliable definition. The NTSC clearly defined standards for standard broadcasts and content and so too does the ATSC in regards to HD.

A definition which means that a majority of PC gaming is not High Definition. And which makes TV's which have a resolution of 1024x768 not HDTV's even though they can display HD content.

ie

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F6SR0O/ref=olp_product_details/102-5380714-8915337?ie=UTF8&seller=

Edit, actually that TV wouldn't be HD. And it cannot display HD content as doesn't display all lines of the ATSC specification. It's even mentioned in the user reviews on Amazon.