How much is the Xbox One worth w/o kinect

329 would have been a killer price point

Whomever voted $500 should be dragged out into a street and shot.

Haha! that was me. You know I'm not a conformist. Cheers mate!

$350 - $375 I would think. You probably won't see an XB1 without a Kinect for at least a couple years. The good thing is by the time they drop the Kinect the system will probably be $400 or less. So without Kinect the price will drop to $300 or $275. By that time PS3 & XBox 360 will be no more.

Well... You're okay then. I retract my previous statement.

Is Kinect that worthless to you? :P

Logically speaking, $400. When they drop Kinect, that's when I buy one.

I love Kinect. But since you asked you will get one of my over the top bullshit answers that we have all have grown to love.

Here goes,

You see, once a console is operating on a level this high, nothing can be done to devalue it. It is that perfect, flawless in everyway. I would be worth $500 if you took away Kinect, implemented DRM and it shot man fluid out the vents. LOL.

Really? Please tell me more.

I'd say $350 without kinect and I'd like to see the current model come down to $450. That price would make me want it a Little bit more.

Fifty bucks and a potato

Given how the Kinect has absolutely no actual value at all, the X1 without Kinect would be worth about as much as it is now.

$399. Matter of fact, didn't a website do a tear down and said that the Kinect added $80ish to the total cost to build the console? So yeah, they could drop it to $399 or $429 at the very least. It would make it a VERY compelling buy at that time.

Edit: allthingsD Is saying "at least $75" for just the Kinect in Xbox One

Using real currency:

I dunno, about £250. It's currently £430 over here.

lol.

i would say it's worth more without it than with it.

350-400

probably the last option.

tech wise it's not all that impressive.

300 bucks

Sony fans just don't get it. The X1 experience is ALL ABOUT the Kinect, every design choice was made considering it. The X1 works best when you can either use the controller, your voice, or your hand gestures in any given scenario. I get that people want a cheaper Xbox without a Kinect, but in that situation, just get a PS4, because that's essentially what it is. MS really didn't want devs excluding the Kinect, they wanted people to use it. Many Xbox One games feature Kinect exclusive features, but if the console launched with Kinect sold separately, few games would support it.

It's just a different experience at the end of the day, and as an owner of both consoles, I would not buy an Xbox without a Kinect even if it was offered. If you really hate the Kinect, you DONT want an Xbox. MS really believes in the Kinect and is investing a lot of cash there. Why would you even want an Xbox in the first place if you don't agree with one of the company's biggest features? Why support a company who believes in something you don't believe in? Prices will eventually drop on consoles, the Ps3 was originally more expensive than the 360....what happens when the X1 and the PS4 are both 299.99? Then you're getting a free Kinect.

So I guess then my advice is get a PS4 if you don't want a Kinect, or patiently wait for a price drop until its free.

sometimes i wonder if you were as delusional as some of your post ... haha its good to know you dont mean half of what you say

Some site did a breakdown but cba finding it, google is your friend.

Anyway i think even without Kinect the X1 breakdown was still more expensive than the one they did for the PS4.

Which is funny because its just a simple box with like no design thought and a much weaker machine.

About $300, but that's what I think it's worth with Kinect too.

More than what it's worth with it.

Sony fans have to stop saying "much weaker" to make themselves feel better. Realistically they are very close in power, it's also worth noting that Xbox One is home to Ryse and Forza 5, two games which people claim are top notch in graphics. Either way, both consoles will be playing 1080p games with a very similar level of visual fidelity.

As for the design, its more about whats inside of the box then how it looks on the outside. The X1 is designed for efficiency, silence & running cool. It is quieter and puts out less hot air than the PS4. Why you ask? Because it has a smarter design for ventilating heat. The PS4 ONLY vents out the back, meaning that all heat generated is being forced out through one side by some laptop like cooling fans. The X1 has a custom designed desktop-type cooling unit that blows hot air directly up and out the top of the console, while taking in air from all other sides. Since hot air already rises this is the most efficient way of cooling the system.

Do you even understand how much money MS has compared to Sony? Their researchers and designers put a lot of time and focus to finding out the best way to make the console run. It was originally designed to be always on, always connected, so it would have to be able to run for countless hours non-stop. Only a Sony fan would state that the PS4 is better designed just because of the way it looks visually, there is more to it if you tear down the console.

Somewhere I had read that HALF of the value of the xbone is in that stupid camera. There you go, about $250.

Xbone is much weaker and has been proven by the games. Cod runs at 720 ffs and Titanfall is rumored to do the same..LOL

You must be lem to think things will just get closer when in reality the gap will just widen once devs start using compute much more.

400

Yeah but Forza 5 runs at 1080p 60fps and it looks better than most PS4 exclusives....how can you just ignore that lol ? 720p is a launch problem that will fade, TitanFall has been rumored but no confirmation. The only reason we are seeing 720p games at all is because MS was constantly tweaking the hardware towards launch, meaning the software updates were late, and devs had less time to optimize. 720p X1 games literally only exist to meet the launch window.

I am not a lem, I own both consoles and a gaming PC. I am a gamer, not a lem, or a cow, or a hermit (which I've been called all 3 of over my time on forums)

In reality, neither of us know what will happen, but I am standing by my prediction of nearly identical games. Every generation one console is more powerful than the other, the Xbox Original and the X360 were both more powerful in comparison to sony's consoles, but the games looked the same. In fact, The Last of Us looked better than any 360 game. At the end of the day they are both 8 core machines, with 8gb ram, and a fairly decent GPU, the games CANT look that different. You're looking at a handful of frames better on the PS4 AT MOST.

Forza has no AA from I have read and has no real competition,so is hardly something to go by.

PS4 GPU is much better with more gflops in compute than the total of more than two 360s CPU/GPU combined.

The cost of the system, minus the cost of the peripheral. So $400ish..

At $400 it still has worse hardware than the PS4 so it has to be less. I'm not talking about how much it cost MS, but how much it should cost in comparison to a competitor. Microsoft is not Apple where they can charge a premium for a worse product and still dominate sales.

PS4 only has two retail exclusives and Froza 5 looks like dogshit compared to Killzone Shadow Fall. I doubt it looks better than Knack.

I don't have Forza myself because I don't like racing games, but I do own both Knack and Shadow Fall. Shadow Fall does look better than it imo, certainly not knack. But even then I personally think Ryse looks better than SF. Either way that proves my point, the consoles are fairly comparable when it comes to the kind of visuals they can produce. I'm actively going between playing my One and my PS4 and I can tell you there is really no difference, there is never a moment where I'm like "wow this console has way better graphics than the other!" because neither one does, in my opinion.

It is a verifiable fact that the PS4's GPU actually is a *lot* stronger than the X1's.

The fact that the PS4, as of yet, doesn't have any games launched with graphics as impressive as Ryse doesn't automatically mean that the hardware itself is weaker. It means that the games launched on PS4 so far weren't developed with as high an emphasis on visuals.

Forza may not use AA but it still looks very good, although most Sony fanboys won't admit it. If that's not something to go by then I can tell you that I own PS4's most visually appealing game, Shadow Fall and I've played Ryse on that same TV with my X1. Ryse looks better imo.

The fact is look how comparable the graphics of each console are, if the PS4 is really so much more powerful then how come as an owner of both I can't tell the difference? Because all of you fanboys compare the raw tech components (which you also know nothing about) and then completely ignore optimization, drivers, and core system design that allows both consoles to run as they do. Why is the iPhone usually the weakest phone on the market (spec wise) but always comes out on top in benchmarks? It's better optimized.

PS4 GPU is better, but when compared vs all desktop pc GPU's and the X1 GPU you will really see how close they are. Raw gflops actually mean nothing, anyone who understands tech knows this, do you even know what "compute" means? You throw around the word a lot but it sounds like you are just repeating what you read somehwere.

That depends on what you believe is "a lot". Realistically the Xbox One gpu can be compared to a Radeon 7790 while the PS4 is like a 7800 series, go look at those graphics cards on ANY comparison chart vs all other graphics cards. You know what you'll see? Two very close GPU's in comparison to everything else that exists, you're looking at like 5-10 frame per second difference. BUT that is on a PC, where both cards perform in EXACTLY the same environment. Console aren't at all like this, they are both designed in different ways, this brings a whole new factor in that neither of us understand.

The fact is, that if the PS4 was a *lot* more powerful, wouldn't it be VERY obvious right off the bat? It's a little more powerful, that's why we see little difference.

lol,wut? Ryse is really not even close to Killzone. It doesn't run in 1080p and still has trouble hitting 30fps and yet Killzone still looks better with MUCH higher res textures and better lighting.

Do you have both? I have both and I can tell your Ryse does look better. Your eyes cannot tell the difference between 900p up-scaled and 1080p, and it runs at 30fps regularly. Textures are fair in both games although I'll argue Ryse has better lighting. Also it's just the overall look of each game, KZ is a great looking game where as Ryse almost has a film-like look to it.

Probably $199. Tech inside is poop.

That's a nice opinion. Too bad 900p is closer to 720p than 1080p and by that alone makes it inferior. Not to mention that factual evidence such as screenshots show ryse as a low res blur fest.

Xbone didn't even give its users a screenshot feature just to hide the fugly ...LMAO

Uhm what. How is 900p closer to 720p than it is to 1080p....that makes no sense. Ryse is a blur fest? Then why is that literally the first time I've heard that term. The general consensus online is Ryse is the best looking next gen console game out so far, and it is. I guess I'll stick with my factual evidence of seeing both games with my own two eyes, on a 50 inch flatscreen.

Believe what you want bro, at the end of the day you waste time hating the X1 while I enjoy both consoles for what they are. You have a biased one sided opinion because you are defending a purchase while I was gifted an X1 and my bro bought a PS4 so I am just literally playing both for what they are. You haven't even seen Ryse in person and you're gonna tell me its some hideous blur-fest? gtfo you silly cow.

How is it not?

1280x720=921,600 pixels

1600x900= 1,440,000

1920x1080= 2,073,600

Yes, Ryse is a massive blur fest,its one of the reasons you will never see a lem post any screenshots of it LOL

It's hardware is inferior to the PS4 so i'd say less than whatever a PS4 is going for now.

I was thinking the same thing about the people who created you.