How the 360 can win the next gen war !!!

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#1 LordoverFeind
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It's simple really win japan !!!

As a 360 owner it bothers me that the 360 is flopping in japan and they don't seem to care. Japan is a major market as sony has sold over 20 million there. Plus the killer apps for the ps3 come from where?? = Japan !!!

However the 360 or should I say ms seems to just not get what japanese gamers want. What do they want ??? = Rpg's
Now if I was trying to win the next gen was I would make sure that square/enix brought FF13 or Dragon Quest to my console. That alone would increase 360 sales in japan for sure.What other games do japanese gamers like = fighting games. To that end I again would make sure that soul caliber 4 was coming to the 360. In my mind these two games companies (Square/Namco) would have a domino affect on the 360, bring more japanese dev support because sales in japan would increase. More japanese dev support means less killer apps for sony and nintendo.

Sony and to a lesser degree nintendo greatly depend on japanese 3rd part support to capture market share ie profits. Sure the 360 is selling in the usa and europe but you can't win the war without japan imo. The wii and ps3 are sellingg at a far faster rate than 360 during the same launch time frame because the selling japan also. Sure the 360 is doing well with sales right now but ms had the next gen market all to themselves and just passed 11 million after 1 1/2 years. The ps3 cost 200 bucks more and at the current sales rate (I think it will go up because europe is not included yet) they could pass the 360 by 2008 at the latest.

  MS needs to open it's eyes and again I am sure ms will counter with a price drop to hold off the ps3 but the wii is still going to kill them. I laughed at the wii but I can't laugh anymore. The wii could win the next gen war with it's crappy graphics and gimmickyrealize japan is the key to world domination on consoles. What say you should ms give square a major discount or some cash to win ???

Do you care that if the 360 flops by 2009 ms might kill the 360 like they did with the xbox ???
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#2 hyruledweller
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Thats why the 360 wont win, japan is a big market, look at DS.
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#3 CarlosPontinas
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It has already won the war. 
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#4 2largeadults
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You're not going to like this article then: http://ps3.qj.net/Japan-game-hardware-sales-as-of-February-25/pg/49/aid/84928
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#5 LordoverFeind
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It has already won the war. CarlosPontinas


How ??

The sales are in the toilet in one of the major markets and the rivals are catching up fast.
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It has already won the war. CarlosPontinas
You sound like W on board an aircraft carrier a couple of years ago.
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You're not going to like this article then: http://ps3.qj.net/Japan-game-hardware-sales-as-of-February-25/pg/49/aid/849282largeadults


That's what I am talking about right there ms is missing in a major market. If they could get square to make Final Fantasy a multi platform game japan would  increase for sure.
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Japan has consistently shown that it is a much smaller market than both Europe and America, so in terms of gross sales I highly doubt that Japan is absolutely necessary to claim top spot (though what top spot is, exactly, remains unclear. Profit? Sales? Userbase?).  Most of today's best developers/publishers are actually Western, so the need to capture Japanese developers is not as drastic as it previously has been, though to not have support from Capcom, Konami, or Square-Enix would be quite a loss.

I think the winner of this console war will be the one who can continually keep their audience at the helm of their console, constantly playing, interacting, and utilizing its features effectively.  Right now, the 360 seems to be the winner, but its lack of absolutely earth-shattering titles is worrisome.  The PS3 seems poised to do that kind of stuff, but in the meantime the audience is still waiting around.  And the Wii crowd is stuck playing with their own family members and neighborhoods, plus a bunch of rather simplistic games that don't exactly boast excellence.  Still, the Wii may manage to carry itself due to huge profitability, strong 1st party talent, and ground-breaking gameplay elements.  I still think game developers need to be willing to take risks on game ideas rather than spew out the same things year after year after year.  Without content, the industry goes nowhere.

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The 360 would sell in Japan if it was made by a Japanese company.

Doesn't matter though, MS and Nintendo will be the big winners this generation.

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#10 iwo4life
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The 360 would sell in Japan if it was made by a Japanese company.

Doesn't matter though, MS and Nintendo will be the big winners this generation.

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iPod sells well in JPN. I don't recall Apple being a Japanese company.
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[QUOTE="2largeadults"]You're not going to like this article then: http://ps3.qj.net/Japan-game-hardware-sales-as-of-February-25/pg/49/aid/84928LordoverFeind


That's what I am talking about right there ms is missing in a major market. If they could get square to make Final Fantasy a multi platform game japan would increase for sure.

Bribery works well. In all honesty though, if MS continues selling massive amounts of consoles in America, I believe Square would have to at least consider developing a game for them. If not, they'd be missing out on a lot of $$$
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Japan has consistently shown that it is a much smaller market than both Europe and America, so in terms of gross sales I highly doubt that Japan is absolutely necessary to claim top spot (though what top spot is, exactly, remains unclear. Profit? Sales? Userbase?). Most of today's best developers/publishers are actually Western, so the need to capture Japanese developers is not as drastic as it previously has been, though to not have support from Capcom, Konami, or Square-Enix would be quite a loss.

I think the winner of this console war will be the one who can continually keep their audience at the helm of their console, constantly playing, interacting, and utilizing its features effectively. Right now, the 360 seems to be the winner, but its lack of absolutely earth-shattering titles is worrisome. The PS3 seems poised to do that kind of stuff, but in the meantime the audience is still waiting around. And the Wii crowd is stuck playing with their own family members and neighborhoods, plus a bunch of rather simplistic games that don't exactly boast excellence. Still, the Wii may manage to carry itself due to huge profitability, strong 1st party talent, and ground-breaking gameplay elements. I still think game developers need to be willing to take risks on game ideas rather than spew out the same things year after year after year. Without content, the industry goes nowhere.

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The japanese market is smaller but the are the 3rd largest market and produce some of the best software. If you are trying to win the console war you should try to win in the 3rd largests market. Sure the 360 is doing great right now but imo that is due to live. This is advantage also being stolen by the japanese. You also bring up some good points about the killer apps the japanese devs have. These won't come to the 360 if the sales in japan don't increase.

It sounds funny but the wii could get more dev support due to console sales and low development cost than the 360. Sony and nintendo sold almost 30 million consoles in japan (gc/ps2) plus ds/psp sales, so japan is a important market.
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since the Europe is doing well for the playstation 3 i believe that the wii is gonna come last in sales and ps3 come in 2nd and i believe 360 may come top but not by much it be a close race between 360 and ps3 wii is floppin already and ps3 is just  about to gain momentum
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Thing is, the true winner will be IBM this generation, guess who makes all the processors for the 3 consoles :p? gnutux
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[QUOTE="CarlosPontinas"]It has already won the war. iwo4life
You sound like W on board an aircraft carrier a couple of years ago.

I laughed pretty hard at that. MS should announce a price-drop as soon as possible to boost sales.
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The Giant wall of text dont let me see your point :(.
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ummmm.... I dont get this that much
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#18 LordoverFeind
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[QUOTE="gnutux"]Thing is, the true winner will be IBM this generation, guess who makes all the processors for the 3 consoles :p? gnutux



Well amd or intel was not going to give console makers the right to own the cpu. 
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Thats why the 360 wont win, japan is a big market, look at DS.hyruledweller


Actually, Japan is a small market, much smaller than North America and Europe.

It's no longer essential to have Japan to "win the war."
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#20 LordoverFeind
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[QUOTE="hyruledweller"]Thats why the 360 wont win, japan is a big market, look at DS.-Beowulf


Actually, Japan is a small market, much smaller than North America and Europe.

It's no longer essential to have Japan to "win the war."



What do yo consider "winning the war" ??

If it's console and software sales the japan is a must have. I also thought that Japan was just a little island that was unimportant till I saw how much software and consoles they buy. That tiny country is the 3rd largest market that the 360 has no real market share is scary. Looking at the killer apps that make people buy consoles alot of the software is from japan. When it comes to rpgs, platformers and fighters you are almost forced to go to japan.
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America is the key :)
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To me PC has always won the war but besides that Xbox 360 has won the war thats the way I look at it.
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#23 LordoverFeind
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[QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]America is the key :)



No doubt america is #1 but the 360 is doing well there even the xbox did good in the usa but sony and nintendo are eating into the 360's market share.
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To me PC has always won the war but besides that Xbox 360 has won the war thats the way I look at it.jamesgj


Hey I am a pc gamer I love GTR2 and oblivion on pc and am looking forward to crysis. The 360 is my console of choice for right now.
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[QUOTE="jamesgj"]To me PC has always won the war but besides that Xbox 360 has won the war thats the way I look at it.LordoverFeind


Hey I am a pc gamer I love GTR2 and oblivion on pc and am looking forward to crysis. The 360 is my console of choice for right now.

 

Agree, xbox 360 has some great games right now and in the future but if those games were coming out to PC I would buy that version 360 is my choice of system currently.

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It's simple really win japan !!!

As a 360 owner it bothers me that the 360 is flopping in japan and they don't seem to care. Japan is a major market as sony has sold over 20 million there. Plus the killer apps for the ps3 come from where?? = Japan !!!

However the 360 or should I say ms seems to just not get what japanese gamers want. What do they want ??? = Rpg's
Now if I was trying to win the next gen was I would make sure that square/enix brought FF13 or Dragon Quest to my console. That alone would increase 360 sales in japan for sure.What other games do japanese gamers like = fighting games. To that end I again would make sure that soul caliber 4 was coming to the 360. In my mind these two games companies (Square/Namco) would have a domino affect on the 360, bring more japanese dev support because sales in japan would increase. More japanese dev support means less killer apps for sony and nintendo.

Sony and to a lesser degree nintendo greatly depend on japanese 3rd part support to capture market share ie profits. Sure the 360 is selling in the usa and europe but you can't win the war without japan imo. The wii and ps3 are sellingg at a far faster rate than 360 during the same launch time frame because the selling japan also. Sure the 360 is doing well with sales right now but ms had the next gen market all to themselves and just passed 11 million after 1 1/2 years. The ps3 cost 200 bucks more and at the current sales rate (I think it will go up because europe is not included yet) they could pass the 360 by 2008 at the latest.

  MS needs to open it's eyes and again I am sure ms will counter with a price drop to hold off the ps3 but the wii is still going to kill them. I laughed at the wii but I can't laugh anymore. The wii could win the next gen war with it's crappy graphics and gimmickyrealize japan is the key to world domination on consoles. What say you should ms give square a major discount or some cash to win ???

Do you care that if the 360 flops by 2009 ms might kill the 360 like they did with the xbox ???
LordoverFeind

its not that simple. Japan is about half the population of the US. Ps2 sold 40mill in US and about 20mill in japan plus 40mill in remaining areas. Ps2 wins because it sold well around the world! xbox only sells in US 15/25mill xbox sold were in US.