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#1 Brownesque
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I've noticed how the console gamers like to be obnoxious and send PC gamers around hunting for PC builds that fall below X, Y, or Z price point, and I got an e-mail today with this obscenely powerful PC bundle featured in it from Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.239582&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL082009&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL082009-_-AMDbundle-_-L0A-_-Combo239582

The e-mail also described additional mail in rebates via e-mail subscribers bonuses. As you can see, after rebate, you can cut the cost of this very high end gaming PC below $700.

This system has a quad core AMD Phenom out-of-order processor clocked at 3 Ghz per core, 1 gigabytes of dedicated VRAM, and 4 gigabytes of DDR2 system RAM. Best of all, there's no thinking required. Click, buy. When it gets to your house you put the damn thing together, boot it up, add some drivers, and voila, you now have a badass gaming PC. Oh my god, what a task. What a test of wit. Talk about breaking the bank, eh folks.

For comparison's sake, your standard Xbox 360 comes with 512 MB of total RAM (compared to this rig's 5 gigabytes), a rinky dink GPU, and a crappy in-order processor with only 3 cores. It cannot run general purpose applications, it cannot run any operating system aside from the standard one, it does not have a web browser, blah blah blah. Don't forget that this PC has a 1 TB drive compared to the 60 GB you'll get in a standard 360 or 120 GB in the $300 PS3 Slim. In other words you can get a piece of crap for $300 that will play games designed around 2005-2006 technology remarkably well or you can buy this PC for $700 and melt faces. Low end gaming rig for $300, high end rig for $700. High end PC gaming is not unreasonably expensive. This PC provides a dramatically better price-performance ratio when compared to any console on the market, and it's not even a game console. It's a general purpose tool.

I rest my case.

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#2 OPuniverse
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i got this from newegg in my email the other day. Indeed this combo is insane.
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#3 organic_machine
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Holy cow, that's actually an incredible deal! Anyone with $720 dollars to spend and was planning to buy a new desktop anyway, buy this. This would cost over $1000 anywhere else.

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#4 bronxxbombers
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****Pulls out pocket fabric, bills fall on the ground, bends over, and picks them up**** "20 bucks! 700 bucks! Sigh....
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#5 OPuniverse
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maybe i shoulda wait to buy it now, but too bad i already built mine earlier this year :cry:

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#6 Giancar
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how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :P
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#7 mitu123
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All I need is that CPU and I'm set, and maybe that video card, I have a Radeon HD 4850 with 512 MB.

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#8 Brownesque
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how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :PGiancar
They're a little slower than an Intel Core 2 Quad clocked at roughly the same speed. The Intel i7 is currently the fastest on the market.
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#9 OPuniverse
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how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :PGiancar
intel processor is ahead of amd currently. AMD is more affordable tho if you are looking for a budget build.
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#11 dont-read-this
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That's an excellent deal.
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I don't PC game, but great for those looking into it.
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#13 organic_machine
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how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :PGiancar

In general, the AMD processors are mediocre. But the Phenom II Quad cores are really, really good. Not Core i7 good. But an excellent bang for your buck.

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#14 12345678ew
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not that great really... rosewill power supplies suck, they'll die on you, saphire cards aren't that great, 800 mhz ddr2 ram is horribly slow, and will bottleneck framerates, that case is overpriced and unneeded, the centurion 5 has better airflow and it's only 50 bucks, and the eco HDD's are horrible and tend to die on you. it would be amazing for the first week... then you'd notice the ram bottlenecking, it would start crashing from overheating, and stuff would start failing. nice try though.

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Giancar"] They're a little slower than an Intel Core 2 Quad clocked at roughly the same speed. The Intel i7 is currently the fastest on the market.

[QUOTE="Giancar"]how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :POPuniverse
intel processor is ahead of amd currently. AMD is more affordable tho if you are looking for a budget build.

ah ok...but for gaiming overall? Are they ok? Or there is a big difference? Mi PC is showing some age...maybe it's time to save some $$$ and upgrade it in a few months
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#16 OPuniverse
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All I need is that CPU and I'm set, and maybe that video card, I have a Radeon HD 4850 with 512 MB.

mitu123
what cpu are you using right now? I say ur 4850 is good, no need to change for anything soon.
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#17 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :Porganic_machine

In general, the AMD processors are mediocre. But the Phenom II Quad cores are really, really good. Not Core i7 good. But an excellent bang for your buck.

interesting...I will make more research...I always have bought Intel processors in the past...but those are getting very expensive and I am short of $$$ right now...:(
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[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Giancar"]
[QUOTE="Giancar"]how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :POPuniverse
intel processor is ahead of amd currently. AMD is more affordable tho if you are looking for a budget build.

ah ok...but for gaiming overall? Are they ok? Or there is a big difference? Mi PC is showing some age...maybe it's time to save some $$$ and upgrade it in a few months

The Phenom II 940 is one of the best CPUs on the market.
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#19 OPuniverse
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Giancar"] [QUOTE="OPuniverse"][QUOTE="Giancar"]how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :PGiancar
intel processor is ahead of amd currently. AMD is more affordable tho if you are looking for a budget build.

ah ok...but for gaiming overall? Are they ok? Or there is a big difference? Mi PC is showing some age...maybe it's time to save some $$$ and upgrade it in a few months

yup, they are very decent for gaming. most games are more gpu dependent than cpu. The P2 from amd is a very good processor right now. Sadly i own a P1, it's my first build i learn my mistakes :P

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No informed PC gamer is going to build a PC amidst new computer hardware launches. Of course I'm talking about the HD5xxx series GPU and Intel's 32nm Westmere aka Core i3 and Core i9. Even then its best to wait until Nvidia responds with the GT300 Q1'10 so that price will decrease.
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#21 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

All I need is that CPU and I'm set, and maybe that video card, I have a Radeon HD 4850 with 512 MB.

OPuniverse

what cpu are you using right now? I say ur 4850 is good, no need to change for anything soon.

I have this.

Yep, I need a new CPU badly.

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#22 789shadow
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And I can get any console for at most $100 below. No one will ever convince me PC gaming doesn't break the bank.

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#23 organic_machine
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[QUOTE="OPuniverse"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

All I need is that CPU and I'm set, and maybe that video card, I have a Radeon HD 4850 with 512 MB.

mitu123

what cpu are you using right now? I say ur 4850 is good, no need to change for anything soon.

I have this.

Yep, I need a new CPU badly.

I almost bought that!! But I decided to get the Core 2 Duo instead. Ironically, it was more expensive. It serves me really well, though.

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#24 360hammer
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It's not a bad bundle but I'm thinking the mainboard is lacking a bit as well as 800Mhz memory. 2 PCI slots with onboard video? I mean it's not a bad deal but it could be better.

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#25 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="OPuniverse"] what cpu are you using right now? I say ur 4850 is good, no need to change for anything soon. organic_machine

I have this.

Yep, I need a new CPU badly.

I almost bought that!! But I decided to get the Core 2 Duo instead. Ironically, it was more expensive. It serves me really well, though.

I don't like Intel anymore, I just use AMD, it's overpriced and certain sockets can break easily.
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#26 samuraiguns
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]how good are the AMD processors? when it compares to pentium? I'm not that techie lol :PBrownesque
They're a little slower than an Intel Core 2 Quad clocked at roughly the same speed. The Intel i7 is currently the fastest on the market.

Ehhh...Not really...

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#27 organic_machine
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I don't like Intel anymore, I just use AMD, it's overpriced and certain sockets can break easily.mitu123
Yeah, I wanted to go AMD, but Phenom II was out of my price range. So I had a lame quad core versus a great dual core. And there was a great combo deal I had with the Core 2 Duo. So I went C2D.

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#28 OPuniverse
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[QUOTE="OPuniverse"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

All I need is that CPU and I'm set, and maybe that video card, I have a Radeon HD 4850 with 512 MB.

mitu123

what cpu are you using right now? I say ur 4850 is good, no need to change for anything soon.

I have this.

Yep, I need a new CPU badly.

yea the clock is really low for a quadcore. Are you having trouble running games? what resolution are you trying to achieve? Try to OC it if you can to see if you have any performance increase. Although wise getting a P2 with ur gpu isnt bad at all :P

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#29 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]I don't like Intel anymore, I just use AMD, it's overpriced and certain sockets can break easily.organic_machine

Yeah, I wanted to go AMD, but Phenom II was out of my price range. So I had a lame quad core versus a great dual core. And there was a great combo deal I had with the Core 2 Duo. So I went C2D.

Oh, that sounds like a good deal, no wonder you picked it.
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#30 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="OPuniverse"] what cpu are you using right now? I say ur 4850 is good, no need to change for anything soon. OPuniverse

I have this.

Yep, I need a new CPU badly.

yea the clock is really low for a quadcore. Are you having trouble running games? what resolution are you trying to achieve? Try to OC it if you can to see if you have any performance increase. Although wise getting a P2 with ur gpu isnt bad at all :P

Only Crysis, though I can run it at medium settings. I can max out most games and play them at high settings.
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#31 asylumni
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So how many games can you start from BIOS? I noticed a lack of an OS (not to mention mouse & keyboard). But yes, building a PC is easy... unless it isn't. It only becomes more complicated in a build from scratch like this when you have to try and figure out which component(s) has an issue. As far as bang-for-your-buck, you can spend $700 on this, or $300 on a PS3, play some great games at a lower visual fidelity and bank the rest. Then in a couple years, get the next iteration of console that will be far superior to this build and probably still have money left over.
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#32 OPuniverse
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[QUOTE="OPuniverse"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] I have this.

Yep, I need a new CPU badly.

mitu123

yea the clock is really low for a quadcore. Are you having trouble running games? what resolution are you trying to achieve? Try to OC it if you can to see if you have any performance increase. Although wise getting a P2 with ur gpu isnt bad at all :P

Only Crysis, though I can run it at medium settings. I can max out most games and play them at high settings.

oh, i recommend you just try and stay with that cpu for now. It's not really worth it upgrading it only for crysis imo. Wait until you are actually having troubles with other games. i have seen high end hardwares having trouble running crysis, they are an i7 920 + the gtx 260.
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Interesting.. Might look into it, thx.:D

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#34 jrhawk42
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*sigh

This is why pc gaming isn't for everybody. That's not really a good build for several reasons.

The case doesn't have great airflow by design. It's got a ton of fans, and can probably push a lot of air, but it's not going to have air flow due to the hdd blocking the front fan. Air will most likely flow in from the other fans which will only keep certain areas cool. Not to mention that most stock case fans are cheap, and will need replacing in about a year (unless you don't mind the noise).

The graphics card is over priced for the performance you'll get out of it. Especially if you take the time to shop around.

While a 5400 rpm hard drive isn't bad for stuff like media, and storage it's kinda slower for gaming. Especially since more and more games, are loading assests on the fly. I'd recomend a faster hard drive for gaming, and use the slow one for everything else.

I really don't recomend skimping on your PSU brand. Failing psu's can ruin the rest of your hardware, and end up costing you a lot more than you saved. Not to mention the only reason you need a 700w psu is because your graphics card's power consumption.

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#35 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="OPuniverse"] yea the clock is really low for a quadcore. Are you having trouble running games? what resolution are you trying to achieve? Try to OC it if you can to see if you have any performance increase. Although wise getting a P2 with ur gpu isnt bad at all :P

OPuniverse

Only Crysis, though I can run it at medium settings. I can max out most games and play them at high settings.

oh, i recommend you just try and stay with that cpu for now. It's not really worth it upgrading it only for crysis imo. Wait until you are actually having troubles with other games. i have seen high end hardwares having trouble running crysis, they are an i7 920 + the gtx 260.

My god, Crysis does take something to get it to run at higher settings. And I should just upgrade the CPU for newer games coming out this year and the next, and you get the picture.

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#36 samuraiguns
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wait, how many games can you start from the BIOS?

This rig ends up being $900+ with OS.

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And I can get any console for at most $100 below. No one will ever convince me PC gaming doesn't break the bank.

789shadow
swap that quad for a dual, swap the 4890 for a 4650 and you have taken $300 off and will still murder consoles.
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wait, how many games can you start from the BIOS?

This rig ends up being $900+ with OS.

samuraiguns
windows is $100 max for home prem.
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#39 Evz0rz
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That is an awesome deal! Except the awful power supply :?

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#40 samuraiguns
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

wait, how many games can you start from the BIOS?

This rig ends up being $900+ with OS.

imprezawrx500
windows is $100 max for home prem.

I would use windows 7...and not the RC.
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#41 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

wait, how many games can you start from the BIOS?

This rig ends up being $900+ with OS.

samuraiguns
windows is $100 max for home prem.

I would use windows 7...and not the RC.

That's clearly our problem. Did you know that Windows 7 has roughly equal gaming performance to Vista and XP and the same hardware requirements as Vista? You have fun with that, buck-o.
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#42 mitu123
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] windows is $100 max for home prem. Brownesque
I would use windows 7...and not the RC.

the same hardware requirements as Vista?

Oh god no! The horror.

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#43 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="samuraiguns"] I would use windows 7...and not the RC.mitu123

the same hardware requirements as Vista?

Oh god no! The horror.

Interestingly, it is not a requirement that operating systems get MORE demanding each successive generation OUTSIDE of Windows land. All you need to do is set your standards a LIIIITTLE higher and maybe we'll start getting a little more out of Microsoft instead of an incentive to buy faster hardware just to run the exact same desktop apps at the same speed. Frankly, after all the chest-puffing by Microsoft and (mostly) the media over Windows 7's performance gains over Vista, to learn that it essentially has the same performance was enough to throw me out of my chair. What reason is there to choose Windows 7 over XP?

It's pretty much guaranteed that Vista wouldn't run on your rinky dink little console, because it tends to chew up roughly that much RAM just to function without stuttering.

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[QUOTE="Vadamee"]No informed PC gamer is going to build a PC amidst new computer hardware launches. Of course I'm talking about the HD5xxx series GPU and Intel's 32nm Westmere aka Core i3 and Core i9. Even then its best to wait until Nvidia responds with the GT300 Q1'10 so that price will decrease.

Well there's a reason this deal is at this price point. It doesn't matter what you buy, it will always be dated in a few months.. As soon as that new ATI 5xxx comes out, a couple months later, a better one will come out and so on This "informed PC gamer" that you speak of would never ever buy a part in this case
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#45 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] the same hardware requirements as Vista? Brownesque

Oh god no! The horror.

Interestingly, it is not a requirement that operating systems get MORE demanding each successive generation OUTSIDE of Windows land. All you need to do is set your standards a LIIIITTLE higher and maybe we'll start getting a little more out of Microsoft instead of an incentive to buy faster hardware just to run the exact same desktop apps at the same speed. Frankly, after all the chest-puffing by Microsoft and (mostly) the media over Windows 7's performance gains over Vista, to learn that it essentially has the same performance was enough to throw me out of my chair. What reason is there to choose Windows 7 over XP?

It's pretty much guaranteed that Vista wouldn't run on your rinky dink little console, because it tends to chew up roughly that much RAM just to function without stuttering.

Yep, Vista can be a pain, and I should had stuck to XP, I need it back, LOL. I didn't see the point in Windows 7 either, i was hoping for it to be better than Vista and maybe even XP. I don't think any console can have Vista on it this gen, LOL.
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#46 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Vadamee"]No informed PC gamer is going to build a PC amidst new computer hardware launches. Of course I'm talking about the HD5xxx series GPU and Intel's 32nm Westmere aka Core i3 and Core i9. Even then its best to wait until Nvidia responds with the GT300 Q1'10 so that price will decrease.

Well there's a reason this deal is at this price point. It doesn't matter what you buy, it will always be dated in a few months.. As soon as that new ATI 5xxx comes out, a couple months later, a better one will come out and so on This "informed PC gamer" that you speak of would never ever buy a part in this case

Incidentally, the consoles were outdated when they were released. And now they are putrid piles of rubbish in comparison.....(in purely hardware terms). The Wii is a steaming hunk of garbage. It is roasting in your living room, that's how bad it is if you think in those terms.
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#47 clubsammich91
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Too much work for me sir. But if people like to put all that work into a PC then fine by me. Still you can post all the cheap do-it-yourself PC specs all you want, nothing can beat the cheapness and ease of buying a console and playing it right out of the box.

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#48 kage_53
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Thing is though not everyone like PC games. If someone doesn't like MMOs, RTS, FPS and WRPGs why would that person upgrade their rig unless they are really into multimedia like video editing and things like that
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#49 Vadamee
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Convincing console gamers that building a PC is more of a bargain than simply walking into best buy and buying something that they can have up and running in 5 minutes is short sighted and missing the whole idea of a console, especially since the choir that you preach to already owns a computer that can do all of what you claim. Yes computers are more versatile than consoles, whats the point in this comparison? A Swiss army knife is more versatile than a butchers knife, yet I just can't see any self-respecting deli slicing up some Salome with one of those many pitiful blades found in one. PC: Jack of all trades, master of none(OK, maybe a few) I'm hungry now :o
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#50 Brownesque
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Too much work for me sir. But if people like to put all that work into a PC then fine by me. Still you can post all the cheap do-it-yourself PC specs all you want, nothing can beat the cheapness and ease of buying a console and playing it right out of the box.

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