How we're measuring the "winner" of the console war.

Should we really hype games so much, should we really focus on graphics so much? No, we shouldn't... But this is system wars and that's what system wars users do.

Should we really hype games so much, should we really focus on graphics so much? No, we shouldn't... But this is system wars and that's what system wars users do.

Shazenab

Surely software sales should be just as heavily focused on though?

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Should we really hype games so much, should we really focus on graphics so much? No, we shouldn't... But this is system wars and that's what system wars users do.

braydee1234

Surely software sales should be just as heavily focused on though?

Not really because licenced junk sells well and really unique games tend to get trounced all over.

Size.

'Cause size matters.

We go by most AAA, AA titles.

So right now it's PC in first, then 360, then PS3, and Finally Wii.

I hate, HATE this sales rubbish. Since when has quantity mattered over quality. The only thing any platform should be judged on is the quality of its software. After all, it really doesn't matter how well a platform sells if it has no quality games to play on it. STOP WITH THE SALES S**T.Frozzik

I'm not sure anyone really likes it. But for now it seems this place is obsessed with sales and so I'm trying to change their way of thinking.

Console sales would seem to be the obvious choice, in the years ahead only sales will be remembered. Pointless doing it on AAA and AA titles as the PC would win every year.

We go by most AAA, AA titles.

So right now it's PC in first, then 360, then PS3, and Finally Wii.

II-FBIsniper-II

just because a system sells well during christmas doesnt mean its winning. you have to look at the big picture TOTAL SALES from the time the console was released to the present. it doesnt matter which console came out first, last or whatever because that is part of the industry if the 360 came out a year before nintendo and ps3 (which it did) thats part of the selling strategy. it doesnt matter which system is most or least powerful, what matters is the sales figures.

atm 360 is winning the war, wii is second and ps3 is third BUT this will change.

SONY has stated they wanted to make the ps3 a 10 year console (at e3 06) if they do this they will win this gen, because nintendo and microsoft will have a new gen system within 5 to 6 years. so the more time sony keeps ps3 its primary system, the more sells it will make.

the only bad thing i can see with sony doing this is halfway through the ps3s life a new gen of systems will be out, and by the end of the ps3s life it will need to play catch up to microsoft and nintendo who are one to 2 gens ahead of sony at that time.

People are under this impression that they are part of the console war. They're not. The console war is between comapnies...and guess what companies care about? Sales.

You can't measure by game quality, because it's 100% subjective. And we have determined the winer of ever console war by sales for the past 20 years. Why would it change now?

Oh Lord the damage control!

"Only the USA matters."

"Only game quality matters this gen, others before it don't count."

I guess next gen we'll go back to sales if MS is winning? :roll:

People are under this impression that they are part of the console war. They're not. The console war is between comapnies...and guess what companies care about? Sales.

You can't measure by game quality, because it's 100% subjective. And we have determined the winer of ever console war by sales for the past 20 years. Why would it change now?

goblaa

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People are under this impression that they are part of the console war. They're not. The console war is between comapnies...and guess what companies care about? Sales.

You can't measure by game quality, because it's 100% subjective. And we have determined the winer of ever console war by sales for the past 20 years. Why would it change now?

PBSnipes

In which case, the winners are the, NES, Atari2600, GB, SNES, PS1, PS2, GBA, and DS.

So in other words, the exact same results.

Nintendo is only winning internationally, its not winning the United States, which counts the most.

c_smithii

America counts the most? Thanks for that typical American attitude. The rest of the world differs in that opinion.

Nintendo is only winning internationally, its not winning the United States, which counts the most.

The wars between Sega and Nintendo, Sony and Sega, weren't fought on international terrioritory, it was over who dominated the US market.
c_smithii

wow you should listen to yourself. . .

Nintendo is only winning internationally, its not winning the United States, which counts the most.

The wars between Sega and Nintendo, Sony and Sega, weren't fought on international terrioritory, it was over who dominated the US market.
c_smithii

Lol wtf?

he said that because other countries are too poor to own a new system, most of you in other countries are still using ataris and dont even have indoor plumbing.....

sarcasm

he said that because other countries are too poor to own a new system, most of you in other countries are still using ataris and dont even have indoor plumbing.....

sarcasm

gearsofhalogeek

He's right. I just poop in a corner.

Anyone up for some pong?

Console sales would seem to be the obvious choice, in the years ahead only sales will be remembered. Pointless doing it on AAA and AA titles as the PC would win every year.

tenaka2

Wait, I thought in SW the system that you are the most emotionally attached to wins? Did they change the rules?

The old measuring stick went.

(1) Emotional attachment.

(2) games coming out 29 months from today.

(3) games you played as a child that have rumored remakes coming out at some point in the future.

(4) best format for digital storage.

(5) quality of disgruntled employees fired from a dev that posts "X" system sucks to dev on.

(6) games that have never been on a certain system yet magically now will be coming out on your favorite system and will be better than the other version.

(7) How much money you have.

(8 ) How EA is going to screw up your favorite title.

(9) Games.

(10) Sales.

(11) Sales, unless you are Nintendo.

it depends who you listen to:

sheep: sales/games because wii is kicking ass and we got GOTY '07

cows: games because the wii is teh kiddy for teh "soccer moms" FTL 100% shovelware, etc. we lose either way, but...

lemmings: games because we have the most and the best

hermits: games because consoles are teh sux

it doesn't make sense, but get over it. :)

The winner this gen will be measured by marketshare & userbase from last gen to the current gen.

As it stands right now, the PS3 will be lucky to retain 50% of the PS2's userbase.

Lemmings say games, because they have the best

Sheep say sales, because they have the most

Cows say wait till 08 kicks in

I think it would be better to wait until the end of the generation and compare marketshare from this generation and last like LosDaddie said.

Console sale number dont mean a thing. You have people buying 2-3 360's so they have something to play when 1 is being repaired. Sales don't mean that you are the best. Take music as a example, Sojha Boy will sell more then Nas and Jay-Z new CD's, dose that make Sojha Boy better then Nas and Jay......HELL NO. Sales dont mean that the 360 is better then the PS3 because clearly the 360 hardware is not better then the PS3's, it just means thats its priced cheaper.

Quality is more important, its the only thing that should matter. Quality and Quantity reflect price (Ford Vs. Nissan) (U.S Vs. Japan), the 360 is a FORD = Fount On Road Dead.

So far we've been measuring success purely by console sales. Nintendo appear to be trouncing MS and Sony because the Wii is generating huge buzz and as a result, selling more consoles. I ask, after the previous half a year in which MS have stated twice that their console AND software sales have amounted to a great profit than either of its competitors, should we really focus on console sales quite as much? braydee1234

I've said it a bunch of time before and I will say it again. This gen is like no other I've ever seen, and I'm old enough to remember gaming at the begining of consoles.

For example, the 360 could still potentially end up in last place this gen. Many fanboys will laugh at the 360 for slipping from 2nd to last place. Yet the 360 has proven that MS can make a profitable console AND expand their marketshare. From an investment standpoint, that is HUGE and very much a sign of success, especially for the future.

Nintendo has shown that you don't have to follow conventional gaming wisdom to be successful. In fact, they have proven that there is millions of people out there who are interested in games but don't like the standard fair that is being rehashed year and year since consoles started. However, despite selling a ton and making even more, developers seem reluctant to support a console that is basically a money-printing press because most of the development industry has lost its soul.

Meanwhile, let's assume Sony manages to come in first. Let's also assume they make a profit when the dust settles. At what cost? They have lost marketshare to the competition, they will have alienated developers and lost exlusives, and their reputation is stained because they can no longer rely on brand alone to get massive support.

So for the first time ever we have a console that could come in last and be a massive success; another console that has been a surprise and massive success but still lacks because of industry ignorance; and a console that could retain the #1 spot and make money but lost almost everything in the process.

Console sale number dont mean a thing. You have people buying 2-3 360's so they have something to play when 1 is being repaired. Sales don't mean that you are Take music as a example, Sojha Boy will sell more then Nas and Jay-Z new CD's, dose that make Sojha Boy better then Nas and Jay......HELL NO. Sales dont mean that the 360 is better then the PS3 because clearly the 360 hardware is not better then the PS3's, it just means thats its priced cheaper.

Quality is more important, its the only thing that should matter. Quality and Quantity reflect price (Ford Vs. Nissan) (U.S Vs. Japan), the 360 is a FORD = Fount On Road Dead.

CubanBlunt

WHy do people make useless music analogies?

[QUOTE="braydee1234"]So far we've been measuring success purely by console sales. Nintendo appear to be trouncing MS and Sony because the Wii is generating huge buzz and as a result, selling more consoles. I ask, after the previous half a year in which MS have stated twice that their console AND software sales have amounted to a great profit than either of its competitors, should we really focus on console sales quite as much? ZIMdoom

I've said it a bunch of time before and I will say it again. This gen is like no other I've ever seen, and I'm old enough to remember gaming at the begining of consoles.

For example, the 360 could still potentially end up in last place this gen. Many fanboys will laugh at the 360 for slipping from 2nd to last place. Yet the 360 has proven that MS can make a profitable console AND expand their marketshare. From an investment standpoint, that is HUGE and very much a sign of success, especially for the future.

Nintendo has shown that you don't have to follow conventional gaming wisdom to be successful. In fact, they have proven that there is millions of people out there who are interested in games but don't like the standard fair that is being rehashed year and year since consoles started. However, despite selling a ton and making even more, developers seem reluctant to support a console that is basically a money-printing press because most of the development industry has lost its soul.

Meanwhile, let's assume Sony manages to come in first. Let's also assume they make a profit when the dust settles. At what cost? They have lost marketshare to the competition, they will have alienated developers and lost exlusives, and their reputation is stained because they can no longer rely on brand alone to get massive support.

So for the first time ever we have a console that could come in last and be a massive success; another console that has been a surprise and massive success but still lacks because of industry ignorance; and a console that could retain the #1 spot and make money but lost almost everything in the process.

Excellent post.

This is the gen where everyone wins. There will be no clear loser this gen.

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Console sale number dont mean a thing. You have people buying 2-3 360's so they have something to play when 1 is being repaired. Sales don't mean that you are Take music as a example, Sojha Boy will sell more then Nas and Jay-Z new CD's, dose that make Sojha Boy better then Nas and Jay......HELL NO. Sales dont mean that the 360 is better then the PS3 because clearly the 360 hardware is not better then the PS3's, it just means thats its priced cheaper.

Quality is more important, its the only thing that should matter. Quality and Quantity reflect price (Ford Vs. Nissan) (U.S Vs. Japan), the 360 is a FORD = Fount On Road Dead.

mjarantilla

WHy do people make useless music analogies?

Because it called "Making a point" Think a lil bit.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

Console sale number dont mean a thing. You have people buying 2-3 360's so they have something to play when 1 is being repaired. Sales don't mean that you are Take music as a example, Sojha Boy will sell more then Nas and Jay-Z new CD's, dose that make Sojha Boy better then Nas and Jay......HELL NO. Sales dont mean that the 360 is better then the PS3 because clearly the 360 hardware is not better then the PS3's, it just means thats its priced cheaper.

Quality is more important, its the only thing that should matter. Quality and Quantity reflect price (Ford Vs. Nissan) (U.S Vs. Japan), the 360 is a FORD = Fount On Road Dead.

CubanBlunt

WHy do people make useless music analogies?

Because it called "Making a point" Think a lil bit.

You're not making any point. I can understand car-console analogies, because both can be seen from purely performance-oriented perspectives, and people are not likely to buy two or three cars just for themselves unless they're ridiculously rich. But music-consoles? Music artists don't compete with one another. People can and probably will buy music from Soulja Boy as readily as they will buy from Nas and Jay-Z (or however you spell their names; I don't follow hip-hop), but people are NOT likely to buy even two consoles. Most people will keep themselves to just one console, which means that they have more of an inclination to put some thought into their purchase.

Compare music to games, but not music to consoles.

You're not making any point. I can understand car-console analogies, because both can be seen from purely performance-oriented perspectives, and people are not likely to buy two or three cars just for themselves unless they're ridiculously rich. But music-consoles? Music artists don't compete with one another. People can and probably will buy music from Soulja Boy as readily as they will buy from Nas and Jay-Z (or however you spell their names; I don't follow hip-hop), but people are NOT likely to buy even two consoles. Most people will keep themselves to just one console, which means that they have more of an inclination to put some thought into their purchase.

Compare music to games, but not music to consoles.

mjarantilla

Agreed 100%.

That "Music-Console" analogy was one of the worst I've ever read.

Nintendo is only winning internationally, its not winning the United States, which counts the most.

The wars between Sega and Nintendo, Sony and Sega, weren't fought on international terrioritory, it was over who dominated the US market.
c_smithii

No, Nintendo is not ahead in the U.S. It's simply catching up to the 360 as if it were standing still. :P

So far we've been measuring success purely by console sales. Nintendo appear to be trouncing MS and Sony because the Wii is generating huge buzz and as a result, selling more consoles. I ask, after the previous half a year in which MS have stated twice that their console AND software sales have amounted to a great profit than either of its competitors, should we really focus on console sales quite as much? braydee1234