i am a lemming... and cow basher... but halo 3 will not be AAA

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#1 hobbit93
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i have seen this too often on SW.. AAA-AAAA franchises have become AA-A franchises in just a sequel...

Battlefield 2 for exampl.e went from mid 9 to 8.1 iin battlefield 2142..... same concept.. it even had mechs... camaouflauge and a deep award system... more than likely cause to be a worthy 9... but it was unoriginal and it had been done before.

Metroid Prime.. AAA franchise to AA franchise and the third one was really awsome IMO... depth of scale and puzzle made this game hella fun... but it really did nothing to be revolutionary.. the controls dont really count.

A game that DID improve from its original was Medieval total war...( i know these are hermit games but they do count)...MAJORLY improved graphics... battle animations and a bunch of new factions... and it only improved by one point .. and i dont know if it was a AA game to begin with but it was sure deserving of AAA

Devil may cry is a clear example of a lost franchise... the first one... totally original totally new... 9.2... then 6.4 to mid 8 and im sure the 4th one is no different...

Metal Gear Solid 3 is another example of a great game that was not original enough to be AAA...(as to why the first one wasnt AAA is beyond me)...

please do not bash my thread because i am giving an honest opinion... i love Halo and halo 2 i played for AT LEAST 500 hours...*sarcasm*...BUT... halo 1 was AAA and halo 2 was AAA... HOWEVER... halo 2 was MUCH ORIGINAL than the first one with a DEEP multiplayer unkown to consoles at the time... and with that was deserving of its title... HAlo 3 can be 10 times better than both of the prequels combined... but i honestly dont see it AAA...unless theres an RTS element or something :lol:

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#2 Grodus5
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Read my sig. It will be AAA. Maybe not on Gamespot, but it WILL be a AAA game.
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#3 Meu2k7
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BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.
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#4 4point5
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Halo 3 will be AAA
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#5 hobbit93
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BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.Meu2k7
the BF series is one of my favorite series... i hope they TRUELY make a sequel with a next gen engine... would be awsome...

is quake wars anygood like BF??? or shud i just get UT 3?

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#6 VendettaRed07
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yes it will!
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BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.Meu2k7

blasphemy 2142 still has a huge community.

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#8 Lo_Rising
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the way gamespot has been rating games it would not surprise me at all, but it should def be AAA
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#9 hobbit93
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.gamerchris810

blasphemy 2142 still has a huge community.

yeah its easier to find a game in that game than any other game i am playing... therefore is why i play it the most...and the awards system is so deep and awsome
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.hobbit93

the BF series is one of my favorite series... i hope they TRUELY make a sequel with a next gen engine... would be awsome...

is quake wars anygood like BF??? or shud i just get UT 3?

I heard from the people that played the QW beta said it wasn't very good, but its the beta so I probably will change, and UT3 will pwn :)

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#11 hobbit93
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[QUOTE="hobbit93"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.Lonelynight

the BF series is one of my favorite series... i hope they TRUELY make a sequel with a next gen engine... would be awsome...

is quake wars anygood like BF??? or shud i just get UT 3?

I heard from the people that played the QW beta said it wasn't very good, but its the beta so I probably will change, and UT3 will pwn :)

i watched a vid on the beta build... it didnt look much better than BF 2142 and had the EXACT same concept...

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="hobbit93"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.hobbit93

the BF series is one of my favorite series... i hope they TRUELY make a sequel with a next gen engine... would be awsome...

is quake wars anygood like BF??? or shud i just get UT 3?

I heard from the people that played the QW beta said it wasn't very good, but its the beta so I probably will change, and UT3 will pwn :)

i watched a vid on the beta build... it didnt look much better than BF 2142 and had the EXACT same concept...

Then you should probably wait for the demo to deside

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#13 SpartanCawderof
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I've been pondering the same thing, but I will say that if it does get AAA here, it will be well deserved, and i'd better not see "teh over rated cuz of teh hype!!11!!1"
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#14 -Ninja_Dog-
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It will score 8.0 or 8.5

But it will be the best Halo game ever.

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#15 hobbit93
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It will score 8.0 or 8.5

But it will be the best Halo game ever.

-Ninja_Dog-
exactly my point
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#16 HolyHandGrenad3
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At this point I don't even care what Gamespot rates Halo 3. It looks to be the best halo yet and the beta was a ton of fun. In my mind this game will be AAA and I have no doubt it will be AAA on gamerankings. I would still be surprised if it gets anything less than a 9 here at gamespot.
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#17 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="hobbit93"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.hobbit93

the BF series is one of my favorite series... i hope they TRUELY make a sequel with a next gen engine... would be awsome...

is quake wars anygood like BF??? or shud i just get UT 3?

I heard from the people that played the QW beta said it wasn't very good, but its the beta so I probably will change, and UT3 will pwn :)

i watched a vid on the beta build... it didnt look much better than BF 2142 and had the EXACT same concept...

Ahve you played Wolf-ET? its a mix between that and Battlefield, its not that great (from beta playing anyway) , UT3 is a no brainer :D

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#18 leejohnson7
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I used to be a Sony fanboy, but still argue with Xbox fanboys about most things and I say it will be AAA, hell... im buying it a while after it comes out.
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#19 hobbit93
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[QUOTE="hobbit93"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="hobbit93"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]BF2142 wasnt exactly a sequal, it was the same craptastic engine, it could of been considered a mod overhaul. Great game ... but by the time it was released it was out-dated.Meu2k7

the BF series is one of my favorite series... i hope they TRUELY make a sequel with a next gen engine... would be awsome...

is quake wars anygood like BF??? or shud i just get UT 3?

I heard from the people that played the QW beta said it wasn't very good, but its the beta so I probably will change, and UT3 will pwn :)

i watched a vid on the beta build... it didnt look much better than BF 2142 and had the EXACT same concept...

Ahve you played Wolf-ET? its a mix between that and Battlefield, its not that great (from beta playing anyway) , UT3 is a no brainer :D

yeah like the guy said... ima wait for a demo... but get UT 3 for suree
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#20 leejohnson7
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At this point I don't even care what Gamespot rates Halo 3. It looks to be the best halo yet and the beta was a ton of fun. In my mind this game will be AAA and I have no doubt it will be AAA on gamerankings. I would still be surprised if it gets anything less than a 9 here at gamespot.HolyHandGrenad3

My only worrying thought is that halo 3 sound effects will be like the betas. I thought the sound effects were atrocious, but I just hope they changed them, because they just seemed "make-do-with" material to me. Other than that, A-okay.

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It will be AAAAA

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#22 MassiveKaos
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[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

It will score 8.0 or 8.5

But it will be the best Halo game ever.

hobbit93
exactly my point

So i guess they need to changes warhawks score to 7.0-7.5 and unreal tournament 3 wont get any higher than 8.0?
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#23 MgamerBD
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it will be AAA.
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#24 hobbit93
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[QUOTE="hobbit93"][QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

It will score 8.0 or 8.5

But it will be the best Halo game ever.

MassiveKaos
exactly my point

So i guess they need to changes warhawks score to 7.0-7.5 and unreal tournament 3 wont get any higher than 8.0?

warhawk was somewhat original... "fast paced arcade jet combat" its a solid AA title...UT 3 will probably not get AAA either... but thats just my opinion.. im sure it will suffer for having console multiplats
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#25 lespaul1919
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halo doesn't know how to be AA.
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#26 manningbowl135
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Just wait 3 weeks, and find out. It'll be an AAA game on gamerankings and most sites, but most likely not GS.
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#27 -wii60-
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People doesn't need to hype it AAAA, getting 9.0 here on gamespot is enough stills AAA IMO.
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#28 leejohnson7
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Read my sig. It will be AAA. Maybe not on Gamespot, but it WILL be a AAA game.Grodus5

My beef with gamer rankings is they will include every unreliable review, and thats the reason I take Gamespots word for it, because they have the most (up until the review system changed) reliable and honest scores.

Gamespot used to give scores by giving each important factor in a game a score, and then the average score attained from all of thesefactors (with some degree of power from each factor, tilt being the strongest deciding factor i believe) would be the score the game gets, but say IGN uses a different system (which they probably do) and EGM do as well, you are then poolingloads ofdifferent scores together from differentsystems, and you get an average score based on opinions. Opinions and statistics don't go too well together, as they are too subjective. You may ignore what you will of gamespots scores dude, but you are in the wrong place if so.

But despite that, I agree it will be AAA, but to disagree; it will be AAA on gamespot too (probably getting a 9.5) but dont confuse that with hype, i'm just saying it will anyway.

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#29 Kestastrophe
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I think that Halo 3 will have to be incredibly refined in order to score AAA, since it doesn't look like its doing much new.
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#30 atarigrad
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When Gamespot reviews Bioshock as only a 9.0 then Heaven only knows whatthese ID10 T errorswill review Halo3. Why is stranglehold so low? That should have atleast gotten a 7.5
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#31 eddy_of_york
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Theres enough new features to the single player and multiplayer....if those features work smoothly and are fun....expect AAA.
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#32 mistervengeance
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Read my sig. It will be AAA. Maybe not on Gamespot, but it WILL be a AAA game.Grodus5

dude TP and MP3 are not AAA. can you read?

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#33 p2rus
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Theres enough new features to the single player and multiplayer....if those features work smoothly and are fun....expect AAA.eddy_of_york

the forge seems like a gimmic, halo 3 wiill have awsome online just like 2, but it doesnt need all this forge nonsense and video stuff.

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[QUOTE="eddy_of_york"]Theres enough new features to the single player and multiplayer....if those features work smoothly and are fun....expect AAA.p2rus

the forge seems like a gimmic, halo 3 wiill have awsome online just like 2, but it doesnt need all this forge nonsense and video stuff.

How is forge a gimmick?

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#35 Riverwolf007
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It's still possible, just not very likley. Maybe the 4 player co-op will add a few tenths of points to the score and push it to AAA.

I think GS has gotten pretty tough on reviews.

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#36 Gaara79
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Yes it will. It'll get a 9 at-least. Heck if the MP was sold as a game on it's own it would get an 8 or something. So single player+ multi-player will get it a 9 at-least.
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i have seen this too often on SW.. AAA-AAAA franchises have become AA-A franchises in just a sequel...

Battlefield 2 for exampl.e went from mid 9 to 8.1 iin battlefield 2142..... same concept.. it even had mechs... camaouflauge and a deep award system... more than likely cause to be a worthy 9... but it was unoriginal and it had been done before.

Metroid Prime.. AAA franchise to AA franchise and the third one was really awsome IMO... depth of scale and puzzle made this game hella fun... but it really did nothing to be revolutionary.. the controls dont really count.

A game that DID improve from its original was Medieval total war...( i know these are hermit games but they do count)...MAJORLY improved graphics... battle animations and a bunch of new factions... and it only improved by one point .. and i dont know if it was a AA game to begin with but it was sure deserving of AAA

Devil may cry is a clear example of a lost franchise... the first one... totally original totally new... 9.2... then 6.4 to mid 8 and im sure the 4th one is no different...

Metal Gear Solid 3 is another example of a great game that was not original enough to be AAA...(as to why the first one wasnt AAA is beyond me)...

please do not bash my thread because i am giving an honest opinion... i love Halo and halo 2 i played for AT LEAST 500 hours...*sarcasm*...BUT... halo 1 was AAA and halo 2 was AAA... HOWEVER... halo 2 was MUCH ORIGINAL than the first one with a DEEP multiplayer unkown to consoles at the time... and with that was deserving of its title... HAlo 3 can be 10 times better than both of the prequels combined... but i honestly dont see it AAA...unless theres an RTS element or something :lol:

hobbit93

You have a point, and those are good examples. I prefer BF2142 to BF2 by a long shot, and MP3 was everything it was expected to be, yet wasn't AAA.

However, I don't think there's a chance in hell Gamespot will give Halo anything less than 9.0, even if it deserves less.

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#38 astiop
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[QUOTE="eddy_of_york"]Theres enough new features to the single player and multiplayer....if those features work smoothly and are fun....expect AAA.p2rus

the forge seems like a gimmic, halo 3 wiill have awsome online just like 2, but it doesnt need all this forge nonsense and video stuff.

Oh yea, an extra multiplayer mode/map editor/mod creator is tottaly a gimmic and not needed :|

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#39 Shade-Blade
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Yea youre right, it will be an AAAE
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#40 BioShockOwnz
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Forza 2 got a 9.2. Halo 3 will be AAA.
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#41 Areola54
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[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

It will score 8.0 or 8.5

But it will be the best Halo game ever.

hobbit93

exactly my point

people will try to bash it buy giving that score. but it's pointless. millions have already bought the game and millions will. it's already a success.

too late COWs, Halo has done what it's meant to do. too late now.

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#42 ffx2warrior
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I wouldn't say BF2142 is a true sequel. It's like Battlefield: Vietnam, no one considers it the sequel to BF1942, BF2 is.
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#43 Mass_Effect
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All lemmings say Halo 3 will get at least AAA; since its one of the Xbox 360s major titles. So your not really a lemming :roll:

Personally, I think Halo 3 will get at least a 9, but I'm not too sure about 9.5.

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#44 JPOBS
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Read my sig. It will be AAA. Maybe not on Gamespot, but it WILL be a AAA game.Grodus5
your sig is a joke.

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#45 yoshi-lnex
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I can't see it getting below a 9 myself.
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#46 kentlucky
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I get the feeling that people who doubt it will get AAA haven't heard much about the features that will be included in Halo 3. More weapons, new equipment, save films, 4 player online coop, more epic SP battles, and an extremely customizable MP with Forge. The only thing that could possibly hold it back from AAA is if the campaign craps out. Heck, even the Halo 2 campaign had several problems with it and the game still got AAA.
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#47 nivet14
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Halo 3 will be AAA. /Thread
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#48 d3thm0nkey
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After having played it, if it doesn't get AAa I will call into question their objectivity.

And truthfully it won't matter. It will be the biggest game of the year and probably next year too.

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#49 Vfanek
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After having played it, if it doesn't get AAa I will call into question their objectivity.

And truthfully it won't matter. It will be the biggest game of the year and probably next year too.

d3thm0nkey

Yep, it's got the name. They could release Halo: Pong. It would sell, millions.

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#50 manny280
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if perfect dark zero gears bioshock and forza halo 3 will get AAA i mean how culd it be tied with warhawk?