I am sick of the "casual" vs. "hardcore"

Thanks to the media, we get all this crap about casual games and hardcore games, and the Wii gets bashed just because it has a lot of them. Why can't games just be about fun? Not which games have the most blood, action, violence, etc. Way too often games are ignored just because they are deemed "casual" by this stupid biased gaming media.

All of you at SW, have you ever realized that today's so called "casual" market of younger kids will actually grow up one day and be in the same place as you? Yep, a proven fact. Kids grow up. And once they move on, they will start playing the so called "hardcore" games, and the cycle starts over again. If you can't get them into games, you have no future market.

With no future market, there are no games.

So please, people at SW, please consider

It sounds like you are offended that you love a console that has a ton of casual fans and casual games. While there has always been a Casual gaming market, Nintendo with the DS and Wii, found BLUE OCEAN, the Nongaming Crowd. So, that's where some of the media latches on too. There's still hardcore games too though.

The Media has noticed what we have all noticed, the Wii's Library is different than the other consoles, so they need a quick way to describe it, but it's not exactly all that wrong.

While the Wii is home of the Non-gamers and Casual Gamers, there's still hardcore Nintendo fans around, and Nintendo makes games for them too. It's okay, tis the way of the world.

I like your Zelda Avatar's and your Sig that has like 5 Nintendo unions you are in, pretty cool.

We live in a New Nintendo Era, One that is FAR less Hardcore Game filled, and there's no going back.

TC, bottomline, call it what you will, but there is a HUGE DIfference between how the other consoles operated in the past and how the consoles are today. THe Wii is catering to a NEW CROWD, a different crowd, call it what you want, but it's happening day in and day out.

Some people have gotten further than the age where they play Zelda and Mario games. That's all I can say.

Casual, hardcore, core whatever, don't worry about it. Just play games and screw the media, fanboys and bias. You'll enjoy gaming far more that way.

Casual, hardcore, core whatever, don't worry about it. Just play games and screw the media, fanboys and bias. You'll enjoy gaming far more that way.

ActicEdge

QFT

Just ignore it.

I started out in hardcore games. The first video game I got into was pokemon blue. I then started playing red faction..and so on. I never played casual games, I just worked hard at the harder games till I was good enough to conquer them. Casual games are for the weak.

Casual, hardcore, core whatever, don't worry about it. Just play games and screw the media, fanboys and bias. You'll enjoy gaming far more that way.

ActicEdge

It's all a big illusion created by peoples egos any way. "Hardcore" just means "I want to look down at everyone because I spend a lot of time doing this pointless activity". It has little to do with games (besides target audience and demographic, but that doesn't dictate who buys the games, I mean just look at Gears), it has more to do with the players playing the games, however ironic "hardcore" may sound.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Casual, hardcore, core whatever, don't worry about it. Just play games and screw the media, fanboys and bias. You'll enjoy gaming far more that way.

imaps3fanboy

Wow, the guy with the GOW sig who is several thousand posts behind me, several levels behind me and has a blatant fanboy name is lecturing me. I'm so inclined to care what he thinks :|

Consoles aren't hardcore in any way, shape, or form. Don't let fanboys get to you.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Casual, hardcore, core whatever, don't worry about it. Just play games and screw the media, fanboys and bias. You'll enjoy gaming far more that way.

imaps3fanboy

i agree that casual vs. hardcore isn't a good distinction but we have to describe the difference between the wii's library and the ps3/360 libraries somehow. Does "shallow" vs "deep" do it better?GunSmith1_basic

Most of the hardcore games people claim are hardcore are not even hardcore in the first place. And I agree that the arguement is getting old. Time to move on.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]i agree that casual vs. hardcore isn't a good distinction but we have to describe the difference between the wii's library and the ps3/360 libraries somehow. Does "shallow" vs "deep" do it better?Hewkii

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]i agree that casual vs. hardcore isn't a good distinction but we have to describe the difference between the wii's library and the ps3/360 libraries somehow. Does "shallow" vs "deep" do it better?GunSmith1_basic

Ahhhhhh, seriously, that's funny. I love RE5 but it is not deep at all lol. There is more thought provoking stimulatinf gameplay and content in Zack and Wiki for goodness sakes. This is why SW is not cut out to discuss depth.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]i agree that casual vs. hardcore isn't a good distinction but we have to describe the difference between the wii's library and the ps3/360 libraries somehow. Does "shallow" vs "deep" do it better?GunSmith1_basic

NONE of those games have anymore depth than something like Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime 3. Why are we still under the misconception that consoles are hardcore?

Some people have gotten further than the age where they play Zelda and Mario games. That's all I can say.

Hanass

Wow, really? That's so cool! I'm a mere child of 25, so I haven't quite matured past my infantile Nintendo tendencies. Perhaps you could impart some of your sagely wisdom and rugged experience onto me? My wife and I would love to hear how you pwned all those noobs at Normandy!

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Some people have gotten further than the age where they play Zelda and Mario games. That's all I can say.

creepy_mike

Wow, really? That's so cool! I'm a mere child of 25, so I haven't quite matured past my infantile Nintendo tendencies. Perhaps you could impart some of your sagely wisdom and rugged experience onto me? My wife and I would love to hear how you pwned all those noobs at Normandy!

I also find it sad that most people here can't accept different opinions. I said "some people", not "everyone" because I'm not a close-minded d*ck. The Wii is getting hate because of kiddy games and only because of that (also graphics, but that's not a biggie). Deal with it.

I use the 'hardcore' and 'casual' terms, but I never use them against each other or for arguments.. They are just terms that I use while talking to people sometimes.

Some people have gotten further than the age where they play Zelda and Mario games. That's all I can say.

Hanass

and some people have gotten further then the age where they played FPS and stupid other shooters. thats all i can say.

(but not many on this forum)

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Some people have gotten further than the age where they play Zelda and Mario games. That's all I can say.

DeadEndPanda

and some people have gotten further then the age where they played FPS and stupid other shooters. thats all i can say.

(but not many on this forum)

That's too bad because there's a lot more competitive FPS than Mario tournaments.

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Some people have gotten further than the age where they play Zelda and Mario games. That's all I can say.

creepy_mike

Wow, really? That's so cool! I'm a mere child of 25, so I haven't quite matured past my infantile Nintendo tendencies. Perhaps you could impart some of your sagely wisdom and rugged experience onto me? My wife and I would love to hear how you pwned all those noobs at Normandy!

lmao, you won. Take everything, its yours.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Casual, hardcore, core whatever, don't worry about it. Just play games and screw the media, fanboys and bias. You'll enjoy gaming far more that way.

ActicEdge

Wow, the guy with the GOW sig who is several thousand posts behind me, several levels behind me and has a blatant fanboy name is lecturing me. I'm so inclined to care what he thinks :|

Bringing levels or posts into this does not back up your argument. It justs makes you seem elitist. Youre better than that arctic.

[QUOTE="DeadEndPanda"]

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Some people have gotten further than the age where they play Zelda and Mario games. That's all I can say.

Hanass

and some people have gotten further then the age where they played FPS and stupid other shooters. thats all i can say.

(but not many on this forum)

That's too bad because there's a lot more competitive FPS than Mario tournaments.

I'm anti casual i was born Hardcore i play nothing more than FPS, M rated game and HD graphics.

I'm anti casual i was born Hardcore i play nothing more than FPS, M rated game and HD graphics.

calvinx6

See, I believe in the terms 'hardcore' and 'casual', but I wouldn't call that hardcore.

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="DeadEndPanda"]

and some people have gotten further then the age where they played FPS and stupid other shooters. thats all i can say.

(but not many on this forum)

DeadEndPanda

That's too bad because there's a lot more competitive FPS than Mario tournaments.

And Mario is for 2 year olds. Your point? I can make up crap like that too. Oh and most FPS's are rated M.

I started out in hardcore games. The first video game I got into was pokemon blue. I then started playing red faction..and so on. I never played casual games, I just worked hard at the harder games till I was good enough to conquer them. Casual games are for the weak.

imaps3fanboy

I'm anti casual i was born Hardcore i play nothing more than FPS, M rated game and HD graphics.

calvinx6

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Casual, hardcore, core whatever, don't worry about it. Just play games and screw the media, fanboys and bias. You'll enjoy gaming far more that way.

imaps3fanboy

And you would say that with a name like that :roll:

I agree with ArcticEdge, just play the games you like and don't worry about what others say.

Labeling is fun and easy.

Well...OP...everyone has opinions...and quite frankly they all suck...So i suggest posting some game titles and we'll tell you which ones are"hard-soft" core.

CoD4 is a violent action game and it's one of the most 'casual' games this gen.

Labeling games 'casual' and 'hardcore' fails seeing as though most hardcore games are actually casual.

I'm sick of companies pandering to casual gamers who don't care in the first place and abandoning the real gamers who really did care.

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="DeadEndPanda"]

and some people have gotten further then the age where they played FPS and stupid other shooters. thats all i can say.

(but not many on this forum)

DeadEndPanda

That's too bad because there's a lot more competitive FPS than Mario tournaments.

I too grow weary of this on-going 'war'. Here is a perfect summation of 'hardcore gamers':

There's also the "I play only franchhise games for hardcore gamers such as myself"

There's also the "I play only franchhise games for hardcore gamers such as myself"

Arbiterisl33t69

Was that aimed at me?

[QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"]

There's also the "I play only franchhise games for hardcore gamers such as myself"

Longcat2

Was that aimed at me?

If you're using sarcasm or whatever stop using it and come out forward because I am really not getting you.

The only complaint I have is that Wii games all lack the depth of most PC or 360 games. Is this a bad thing? Not entirely; but the Wii will probably NEVER have a game as deep as say Oblivion, or Fallout 3. Hell; I can't even imagine a game the same quality as the first Halo on the Wii. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess wasen't even as deep as previous Zelda installments; and sometimes it feels like Nintendo is downgrading. The newest Mario game has an option to PLAY the game for you.

But on this discussion; I just play whatever appeals to me at the time; be it Smash Bros, Fatal Frame, F.E.A.R., etc. I just play games to play games.

Because the difference is TC, the audience the games are directed at. The wii having alot of simple but fun games isn't for everyone, some people like more cinematic and twitch based games.

If you're using sarcasm or whatever stop using it and come out forward because I am really not getting you.

Longcat2