I am starting to agree with my friends

First off, I apologise for the huge rant I am about to enter. It just I need to vent my frustration towards Microsoft and the big mistake they are making with kinect.

I originally bought a 360 for Rare's games. I loved Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero despite what haters thought of them. But I am becoming increasingly worried about Rare and how MS are managing them. MS, please tell me you were joking? That you didn't cancel Kameo 2, Perfect Dark Core, Banjo Karts and Conkers other bad fur day in favour of Kinect shovelware. Tell me its all untrue.

I do not play my PS3 much because most of the games I want are also on 360 but there is no denying it. I might not like many of Sony's games but it has a lot more on offer than the 360 currently does. I do not want to constantly play Halo and Gears after Halo and gears with a side of Fable and Forza. I am not trying to come off as offensive here or start and argument. I just need to get this off my chest.

After an extremely disappointing E3 last year I now have an ultimatum for you MS. Show me one of Rare's real games or this time next year my 360 will be gone and Nintendo's next console will be sitting in it's place.

Thanks for listening guys. I feel a lot better now.

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

They created some of the best games on N64. And while it is true their quality plummeted after MS bought them I still think they made good games. But you are entitled to your opinion.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. quickposter

They created some of the best games on N64. And while it is true their quality plummeted after MS bought them I still think they made good games. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Unfortanetly it's true that they cancelled those games. Kinect is a joke, you should start playing your ps3 more often. You're missing out the exclusives. Do you play high quality exclusives for ps3?sethman410

I like the LBP and Uncharted series. I also like God of War 3 and Killzone 3 met the expectations I had for KZ2. I think its much smoother now.

KC_Hokie I also bought a 360 for Team Ninja's games. But they are multiplatform now. I love DOA and NG. Can't say the same for DOAX. But Itagaki was a big supporter of Xbox and having his own studio for MS with other veterans of TN would have been a huge coup. But Devils Third is also multiplatform.

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

They carried the N64 and made it my favourite ever console.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

They created some of the best games on N64. And while it is true their quality plummeted after MS bought them I still think they made good games. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Really? People bought the Xbox Original just for Halo.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="quickposter"]

They created some of the best games on N64. And while it is true their quality plummeted after MS bought them I still think they made good games. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Vesica_Prime

Really? People bought the Xbox Original just for Halo.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="quickposter"]

They created some of the best games on N64. And while it is true their quality plummeted after MS bought them I still think they made good games. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Vesica_Prime

Really? People bought the Xbox just for Halo.

Halo plus many other games. I doubt many people bought an Xbox simply because Bungie made games just for the Xbox.KC_Hokie

Many people bought 360s for halo 3..

Even Rare's most dedicated and oldest fansites have abandoned them, if that doesn't start the alarm bells then nothing will. I'd say Rare is closer to being shut down than creating a new game game worthy of their legacy.

There were a lot of reasons to own an original Xbox. I knew Kinect wasn't going to be for me. But I also thought MS had more sense then such a lack of core games. If they think making an FPS on Kinect is going to make me buy it they are sadly mistaken. I will take the controller any day and thats all I want to play with.

I much prefer Nintendo's games anyway so if MS do blow it its no contest. But I also preferred MS games to Sony so this is a very sad thing to see. Nintendo and Sony definitely have a lot more on offer for their core audiences atm. MS aint fooling me. I'm not buying kinect and if they are going this way then I'm out. I'm no lemming.

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

Even Rare's most dedicated and oldest fansites have abandoned them, if that doesn't start the alarm bells then nothing will. I'd say Rare is closer to being shut down than creating a new game game worthy of their legacy.

hypoty

Surely someone would buy them out before that happened..... the name alone has so much potential to bring in good coders of brand name. I would love Nintendo to get a hold on them again and turn them round.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Let's just say for sake of argument I agree with you that they were a good developer. Since when is it a good idea to buy a console because a single developer? That's never been a good strategy for buying a console.KC_Hokie

Really? People bought the Xbox just for Halo.

Not for Bungie, but certainly Halo. It's often speculated that if it wasn't for Halo's success the original Xbox would have crashed and burned.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Let's just say for sake of argument I agree with you that they were a good developer. Since when is it a good idea to buy a console because a single developer? That's never been a good strategy for buying a console.KC_Hokie

Really? People bought the Xbox just for Halo.

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

Even Rare's most dedicated and oldest fansites have abandoned them, if that doesn't start the alarm bells then nothing will. I'd say Rare is closer to being shut down than creating a new game game worthy of their legacy.

MattDistillery

Surely someone would buy them out before that happened..... the name alone has so much potential to bring in good coders of brand name. I would love Nintendo to get a hold on them again and turn them round.

Possibly, but then again Ensemble was an extremely popular and best selling developer and no-one came to their rescue before they got disbanded by Microsoft. I just don't see how anybody would think buying Rare would be a wise investment, especially considering much of the talent has left the studio and how their sales haven't exactly been significantly high. I'm willing to bet that if Kinect Sports 2 is a commercial failure Rare will be history.

Possibly, but then again Ensemble was an extremely popular and best selling developer and no-one came to their rescue before they got disbanded by Microsoft. I just don't see how anybody would think buying Rare would be a wise investment, especially considering much of the talent has left the studio and how their sales haven't exactly been significantly high. I'm willing to bet that if Kinect Sports 2 is a commercial failure Rare will be history.hypoty

I think you are right tbh. MS talked about shutting them down before but backpedalled because of how much money they spent. They clearly blew their cash hoping they would achieve the success they had with Nintendo but its partly because of Nintendo their games were so great back then.

They clearly don't know what to do with Rare. They have restructured them a few times and keep switching around what they want them to do. MS need to realise just because the games don't sell as well as they did on N64 doesn't mean they are failures.

Now that I think about it, you're right. It's insane we haven't seen another Perfect Dark game from Rare. I wasn't a huge fan of PDZ but it was definitely worth playing. In terms of quality I don't think Rare has dropped all that much, I just think they're focused on weird stuff. It would be nice to see them do a shooter again. Rare developed Halo anyone? :P

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. campzor

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. xXDrPainXx

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Let's just say for sake of argument I agree with you that they were a good developer. Since when is it a good idea to buy a console because a single developer? That's never been a good strategy for buying a console.KC_Hokie

Really? People bought the Xbox just for Halo.

I bought my original Xbox just to play Halo. I mean i bought other games for it eventually but when i got it, it was just to play Halo.

Let's just say for sake of argument I agree with you that they were a good developer. Since when is it a good idea to buy a console because a single developer? That's never been a good strategy for buying a console.KC_Hokie

I'm not going to do what I normally do with these kind of threads having to do with Rare this gen. but suffice to say, they have indeed had some quality creative game production thus far. That said, I'm holding out hope for a Rare megaton announcement this E3, shy of that, I may start making these type of Rare threads myself. :shock:

:P

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Let's just say for sake of argument I agree with you that they were a good developer. Since when is it a good idea to buy a console because a single developer? That's never been a good strategy for buying a console.KC_Hokie

Really? People bought the Xbox just for Halo.

Not for Bungie, but for Halo. I know I did, along with everyone else I know who bought an Xbox.

As for Rare, they've been dead since last gen, so I'm not sure why you thought they'd pull a 180, TC.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Really? People bought the Xbox just for Halo.

Renegade_Fury

Not for Bungie, but for Halo. I know I did, along with everyone else I know who bought an Xbox.

As for Rare, they've been dead since last gen, so I'm not sure why you thought they'd pull a 180, TC.

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"] They had the 3 Donkey Kongs on the SNES, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, The 2 Banjo's and Conkers? That doesn't seem to be 10 years in a row to me. I don't think they are that awesome like everyone makes them out to be. I did enjoy playing the 4 way Goldeneye matches though and that game was great.PurpleMan5000

I will never understand why people stop at starfox adventures

Kameo and the Viva pinata games were amazing as well

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

This statement is not correct

[QUOTE="quickposter"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

They created some of the best games on N64. And while it is true their quality plummeted after MS bought them I still think they made good games. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. yellosnolvr

[QUOTE="yellosnolvr"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Hate to break it to you but Rare was never a very good developer. They were like the one hit wonder bands in the 80s. PurpleMan5000

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Let's just say for sake of argument I agree with you that they were a good developer. Since when is it a good idea to buy a console because a single developer? That's never been a good strategy for buying a console.KC_Hokie

Really? People bought the Xbox just for Halo.

Nope Halo single-handedly saved the Xbox from being a total failure and that's a fact.