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:lol: we arreWow, cows are getting desperate to find excuses so that they can go into damage control mode.
Link3301
Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-BaxterThe best way to put this is, reversing the criticism for the one in last place to the one in front of them for not being ahead enough of them there by trying to negate any credits or achievements earned by the one ahead of them. It's called cognitive dissonance. When something is unnatainable, your position is weak or the opposing views or facts are prevalent one can resort in ad hominums( which often has nothing to do with the arguement), straw mans, moving goal posts, "I never wanted it anyway" arguments etc. to try and make ones own current positions, view more level with the opposing view or facts. Spin doctoring is not necessarily an honorable or completely honest endeavor, but we have to admire the skill required to be good at it. Out of necessity or desperation I can't say.
technically if you begin with the date in 2009 when the ps3 had a library that could compete with the 360 it was more like a 4 year headstart.
[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?TheEroicaIve read a lot of damage control in my day but this is far and above the worste... A Sony exec said along the lines" it's good that the PS3 is not selling as much because it is expensive for us to make it" granted this was earlier on in the generation when costs to make it where still high. anyone remember this?
the 360 was crap its first year tooGunSmith1_basicyeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata, burnout, tomb raider, condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:
Wow, cows are getting desperate to find excuses so that they can go into damage control mode.
Link3301
And lems don't do the same thing? I think you are forgetting the likes of reach3 and loosingEnds, among others. If anything, with the higher population of 360 users here, the cows get more hate than the lems do.
Btw, nice way to show your colors.
yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol: your proud of that list?[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 360 was crap its first year tooRiverwolf007
yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol: your proud of that list?[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]
[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 360 was crap its first year tooGunSmith1_basic
Perfect Dark, Oblivion, Gears of War and Saints Row were great games. (still are as far as oblivion is concerned.)
yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol: your proud of that list?what does pride have to do with anything i was just showing you that the 360 had an great 1st year.[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]
[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 360 was crap its first year tooGunSmith1_basic
some of those games are some of my favorites from this entire gen (oblivion, gears, saints row, fear, ghost recon, rainbow 6, and ace combat) and i pretty much liked every one of the others.
Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-BaxterThis thing called math...........your failing.
the first year of 360 was somewhat impressive compared to last gen (even at the time, underwhelming big time), but standards quickly climbed much much higher (perfect dark zero much?). First year 360 games are all overrated big time and wouldn't stand up today. Oblivion might stand up since nobody makes games quite like Bethesda. Have you ever compared Forza, Forza 2, and Forza 3? (by any standard)
edit: oops, i have my timing off for the forza series sorry
Yep if the PS3 had launched at $299 it probably would have been in first place this generation.
If I were you I'd take a trip out to California and protest in front of SCEA. Occupy their asses for being stupid. Someone has to pay for your pain damn it !!!
The funny part about the original TC post is that he's actually kind of right in a way, albeit intentionally trolling.
I mean, seriously, how hard could it have possibly been to compete with a $600 console? Most people probably went inside the store laughing at the PS3 and not even giving it a split second of interest. When I went to the store to get my 7th gen console, I went to Costco with intentions of buying a 360, and the only reason I got a PS3 for $800 bucks (Costco always sells bundles so it had like extra controllers, blu ray remotes and games) was because they were sold out of 360s. I had plans of getting a PS3 regardless, solely because of Metal Gear Solid 4, but I planned on getting one later down the line. It was pretty much an impulse buy. No one else I knew would have even considered it, other than my tech enthusiast friend who also had one, but that guy buys gaming PCs that cost over $5,000 dollars ever few years.
your proud of that list?[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]
[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:
mysticstryk
Perfect Dark, Oblivion, Gears of War and Saints Row were great games. (still are as far as oblivion is concerned.)
Perfect dark 0 is a horrible game. The only awesome game on that list is Gears and the reason why i purchased a 360. before that it was bleh.
[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]
Wha?...:|
el3m2tigre
[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?el3m2tigre
Wha?...:|
It's DC...don't waste too much thought on it.your proud of that list?what does pride have to do with anything i was just showing you that the 360 had an great 1st year.[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]
[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:
Riverwolf007
some of those games are some of my favorites from this entire gen (oblivion, gears, saints row, fear, ghost recon, rainbow 6, and ace combat) and i pretty much liked every one of the others.
I'd replace PD0 with Test Drive Unlimited. That was good for a first year game. Ace Combat 6 is still one of my most played games. :P
Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter
Then count it as a 100 years head start
That will still not change anything
[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]
[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] your proud of that list?
mazdero
Perfect Dark, Oblivion, Gears of War and Saints Row were great games. (still are as far as oblivion is concerned.)
Perfect dark 0 is a horrible game. The only awesome game on that list is Gears and the reason why i purchased a 360. before that it was bleh.
yet every game on that list is critically acclaimed,nice opinion mate.I count Microsoft's head start over Sony as a 2 year one. Tony-Baxterso what you are saying then, is that you can't even do 1st grade math..........gotcha.
[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="mysticstryk"]
Perfect Dark, Oblivion, Gears of War and Saints Row were great games. (still are as far as oblivion is concerned.)
delta3074
Perfect dark 0 is a horrible game. The only awesome game on that list is Gears and the reason why i purchased a 360. before that it was bleh.
yet every game on that list is critically acclaimed,nice opinion mate.Have you ever played PDZ? it is really bad. It might be my opinion, but many share it. It was way overhyped cause there was nothing else. giving it a 9 is ridiculous.
Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxterlol, thats a desperate argument. Xbox did arguably have more than a years headstart though. Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it the 360 was launched worldwide by December 2005. The PS3 was not released worldwide untill March 2007. If going by being available in all teritories, then its more than a year. If you take the US 360 launch against the Japanese PS3 launch, it is exactly a year, Nov 05 - Nov 06. Price doesnt really come into it though lol.
Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-BaxterWell, I consider the lead to have been a couple of months at best thanks to Sony's subterfuge. Back at E3 05 Sony showed a supposed uber powerful PS3 (dual HDMI for dual 1080p output, tech demo's compared to real time 360 footage,etc)claimed it would be vastly stronger than the360 and said it would be out early spring 2006. This made many PS fanshold out because "it's only a few months till we get this system". Spring comes with no PS3 and the fans were like well, it is only a couple more months. The PS3 shown with reduced specs atE3 with a huge price tag, which still makes the fans think it HAS to be more powerful because it costs more. Then the PS3 comes out and is basically a 360 withabluray drive.
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yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata, burnout, tomb raider, condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 360 was crap its first year tooRiverwolf007
lmao at this!!
Saturn and Dreamcast came out early, I think 360 coming out early had to be terrifying but they somehow made it work.
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