I count Microsoft's head start over Sony as a 2 year one.

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#1 Tony-Baxter
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?
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#2 el3m2tigre
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter

Wha?...:|

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#3 Link3301
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Wow, cows are getting desperate to find excuses so that they can go into damage control mode.

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#4 Tony-Baxter
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Wow, cows are getting desperate to find excuses so that they can go into damage control mode.

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:lol: we arre
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#5 navyguy21
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter
Well, you are a cow, of course you would find every excuse in the book ;)
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#6 Chutebox
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Don't care.

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#7 ebrezzy1
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I count it as one hell of a smart move by MS not just coming out first but the marketing and the zero hour event that had the internet n world buzzing with front cover so to speak free press i still remember watching a video of the hanger doors opening fu*king epic moment in gaming
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#8 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?navyguy21
Well, you are a cow, of course you would find every excuse in the book ;)

No he's not lol, he's trolling.
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#9 casharmy
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Can't say I agree on that line of reasoning, I've heard better.

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#10 clone01
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Don't care.

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I concur.
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#11 TheEroica  Moderator
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter
Ive read a lot of damage control in my day but this is far and above the worste...
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#12 tjricardo089
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Did I missed Sony's PS4 price announcement?

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#13 ebrezzy1
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Did I missed Sony's PS4 price announcement?

tjricardo089
nope, you entered a time machine back to 2005/2006
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#14 AdmiralBison
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter
The best way to put this is, reversing the criticism for the one in last place to the one in front of them for not being ahead enough of them there by trying to negate any credits or achievements earned by the one ahead of them. It's called cognitive dissonance. When something is unnatainable, your position is weak or the opposing views or facts are prevalent one can resort in ad hominums( which often has nothing to do with the arguement), straw mans, moving goal posts, "I never wanted it anyway" arguments etc. to try and make ones own current positions, view more level with the opposing view or facts. Spin doctoring is not necessarily an honorable or completely honest endeavor, but we have to admire the skill required to be good at it. Out of necessity or desperation I can't say.
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Don't care.

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This.. as long as im having fun why should I?
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#16 Riverwolf007
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technically if you begin with the date in 2009 when the ps3 had a library that could compete with the 360 it was more like a 4 year headstart.

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#17 GunSmith1_basic
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the 360 was crap its first year too
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#18 AdmiralBison
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[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?TheEroica
Ive read a lot of damage control in my day but this is far and above the worste...

A Sony exec said along the lines" it's good that the PS3 is not selling as much because it is expensive for us to make it" granted this was earlier on in the generation when costs to make it where still high. anyone remember this?
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#19 Riverwolf007
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the 360 was crap its first year tooGunSmith1_basic
yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata, burnout, tomb raider, condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:

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#20 Diviniuz
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thats 3 accounts I haven't see in awhile today
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#21 mysticstryk
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Wow, cows are getting desperate to find excuses so that they can go into damage control mode.

Link3301

And lems don't do the same thing? I think you are forgetting the likes of reach3 and loosingEnds, among others. If anything, with the higher population of 360 users here, the cows get more hate than the lems do.

Btw, nice way to show your colors.

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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 360 was crap its first year tooRiverwolf007

yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:

your proud of that list?

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#23 mysticstryk
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 360 was crap its first year tooGunSmith1_basic

yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:

your proud of that list?

Perfect Dark, Oblivion, Gears of War and Saints Row were great games. (still are as far as oblivion is concerned.)

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#24 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 360 was crap its first year tooGunSmith1_basic

yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:

your proud of that list?

what does pride have to do with anything i was just showing you that the 360 had an great 1st year.

some of those games are some of my favorites from this entire gen (oblivion, gears, saints row, fear, ghost recon, rainbow 6, and ace combat) and i pretty much liked every one of the others.

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#25 Phazevariance
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Hell, why not say the xbox had an 8 year head start? Or lets just say the PS3 never got released!

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#26 cainetao11
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter
This thing called math...........your failing.
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#27 GunSmith1_basic
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the first year of 360 was somewhat impressive compared to last gen (even at the time, underwhelming big time), but standards quickly climbed much much higher (perfect dark zero much?). First year 360 games are all overrated big time and wouldn't stand up today. Oblivion might stand up since nobody makes games quite like Bethesda. Have you ever compared Forza, Forza 2, and Forza 3? (by any standard)

edit: oops, i have my timing off for the forza series sorry

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#28 coasterguy65
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Yep if the PS3 had launched at $299 it probably would have been in first place this generation.

If I were you I'd take a trip out to California and protest in front of SCEA. Occupy their asses for being stupid. Someone has to pay for your pain damn it !!!

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#29 arkephonic
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The funny part about the original TC post is that he's actually kind of right in a way, albeit intentionally trolling.

I mean, seriously, how hard could it have possibly been to compete with a $600 console? Most people probably went inside the store laughing at the PS3 and not even giving it a split second of interest. When I went to the store to get my 7th gen console, I went to Costco with intentions of buying a 360, and the only reason I got a PS3 for $800 bucks (Costco always sells bundles so it had like extra controllers, blu ray remotes and games) was because they were sold out of 360s. I had plans of getting a PS3 regardless, solely because of Metal Gear Solid 4, but I planned on getting one later down the line. It was pretty much an impulse buy. No one else I knew would have even considered it, other than my tech enthusiast friend who also had one, but that guy buys gaming PCs that cost over $5,000 dollars ever few years.

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#30 Silverbond
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would read again/10
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:

mysticstryk

your proud of that list?

Perfect Dark, Oblivion, Gears of War and Saints Row were great games. (still are as far as oblivion is concerned.)

Perfect dark 0 is a horrible game. The only awesome game on that list is Gears and the reason why i purchased a 360. before that it was bleh.

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#32 woodenfork21
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[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]

Wha?...:|

el3m2tigre

[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?el3m2tigre

Wha?...:|

It's DC...don't waste too much thought on it.
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#33 Weird_Jerk
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Damnit, my flux capacitor must have crapped out on me again.
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#34 HarlockJC
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Maybe you count it as a two year one because your not very good with math
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:

Riverwolf007

your proud of that list?

what does pride have to do with anything i was just showing you that the 360 had an great 1st year.

some of those games are some of my favorites from this entire gen (oblivion, gears, saints row, fear, ghost recon, rainbow 6, and ace combat) and i pretty much liked every one of the others.

I'd replace PD0 with Test Drive Unlimited. That was good for a first year game. Ace Combat 6 is still one of my most played games. :P

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#36 loosingENDS
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter

Then count it as a 100 years head start

That will still not change anything

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#37 zarshack
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hmmm......... maybe .....wait.... no..

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#38 delta3074
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[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]I count it as one hell of a smart move by MS not just coming out first but the marketing and the zero hour event that had the internet n world buzzing with front cover so to speak free press i still remember watching a video of the hanger doors opening fu*king epic moment in gaming

releasing across every region at the same time was genius as well, technically, over here in blighty the 360 had a year and a half head start because we didn't get the Ps3 till six months after it released. i really type too fast,lol
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#39 DethSkematik
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I expected something along the lines of "because Sony had no games for that period" or something equally creative :(.
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#40 delta3074
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[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] your proud of that list?

mazdero

Perfect Dark, Oblivion, Gears of War and Saints Row were great games. (still are as far as oblivion is concerned.)

Perfect dark 0 is a horrible game. The only awesome game on that list is Gears and the reason why i purchased a 360. before that it was bleh.

yet every game on that list is critically acclaimed,nice opinion mate.
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#41 AmazonTreeBoa
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I count Microsoft's head start over Sony as a 2 year one. Tony-Baxter
so what you are saying then, is that you can't even do 1st grade math..........gotcha.
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#42 mazdero
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[QUOTE="mazdero"]

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

Perfect Dark, Oblivion, Gears of War and Saints Row were great games. (still are as far as oblivion is concerned.)

delta3074

Perfect dark 0 is a horrible game. The only awesome game on that list is Gears and the reason why i purchased a 360. before that it was bleh.

yet every game on that list is critically acclaimed,nice opinion mate.

Have you ever played PDZ? it is really bad. It might be my opinion, but many share it. It was way overhyped cause there was nothing else. giving it a 9 is ridiculous.

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#43 BibiMaghoo
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter
lol, thats a desperate argument. Xbox did arguably have more than a years headstart though. Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it the 360 was launched worldwide by December 2005. The PS3 was not released worldwide untill March 2007. If going by being available in all teritories, then its more than a year. If you take the US 360 launch against the Japanese PS3 launch, it is exactly a year, Nov 05 - Nov 06. Price doesnt really come into it though lol.
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#44 Steppy_76
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Cause how hard is it to compete with a $600 console?Tony-Baxter
Well, I consider the lead to have been a couple of months at best thanks to Sony's subterfuge. Back at E3 05 Sony showed a supposed uber powerful PS3 (dual HDMI for dual 1080p output, tech demo's compared to real time 360 footage,etc)claimed it would be vastly stronger than the360 and said it would be out early spring 2006. This made many PS fanshold out because "it's only a few months till we get this system". Spring comes with no PS3 and the fans were like well, it is only a couple more months. The PS3 shown with reduced specs atE3 with a huge price tag, which still makes the fans think it HAS to be more powerful because it costs more. Then the PS3 comes out and is basically a 360 withabluray drive.

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#45 SaltyMeatballs
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Competing with "PlayStation" (back then) was a big deal.
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#46 Hexagon_777
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Well, they did launch six months late in the EU...
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#47 sayyy-gaa
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:D

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 360 was crap its first year tooRiverwolf007

yeah it was terrible, not counting kameo, call of duty 2, perfect dark, oblivion, project gotham 3, gears of war, ghost recon, rainbow 6, hitman, dead rising, saints row, fear, viva pinata, burnout, tomb raider, condemned, amped 3 and ace combat 6. :lol:

lmao at this!!

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#48 fadersdream
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Saturn and Dreamcast came out early, I think 360 coming out early had to be terrifying but they somehow made it work.

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#49 brennanhuff
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My, my. What a different story in 2012. In 2006 cows would rave how "$600 was a steal".

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#50 OhSnapitz
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Would you guys just accept it.. Jeez