I don't get reviewers example: Bioshock 2

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#1 Gamelova79
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Bioshock 2 is a much better game then Bioshock 1. Of course the story was new in the original bioshock but that is it. Bioshock 2 fixes almost every single issue with part 1. It also adds a fun multiplayer.

Why is it rated so much lower then the first one? I don't get that.

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#2 CaseyWegner
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did you read the review or just look at the number?

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#3 gillri
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Bioshock 2 is a much better game then Bioshock 1. Of course the story was new in the original bioshock but that is it. Bioshock 2 fixes almost every single issue with part 1. It also adds a fun multiplayer.

Why is it rated so much lower then the first one? I don't get that.

Gamelova79

I completed it last night and i thought the gameplay was significantly better and the story although not as 'wow' was much more emotionally involving IMO

but it just isnt gonna have the same impact as the first one as rapture was the star of the show first time round

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#4 moistsandwich
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so much lower? didn't Bioshock get 9.0?

anyway.... I guess its because standards change. A 9.0 today =/= 9.0 in 3 years.

I think most people agree, B2 is better than the 1st in just about every way.... it just doesn't feel as original this time around.

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#5 Vaasman
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A sequel is expected to do more than just make the bad stuff good, it should also expand on what was already good. This is what BS2 lacks, it refines but it never redefines.

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#6 gamer620
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Times change. It is the same reason why games like Ocarina of Time get a 10 when Twilight Princess and Wind waker don't.
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#7 destro123
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Well from someone whos play the 1st and the 2nd I would have to agree with the reviews. It just felt to much like the first Bioshock, nothing really changed. The main character wasnt nearly as interesting and the story wasnt nearly as good. The first one at the end i was like "WHAAAAAAAA No way" this one i was like "oh" lol.

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#8 moistsandwich
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Well from someone whos play the 1st and the 2nd I would have to agree with the reviews. It just felt to much like the first Bioshock, nothing really changed. The main character wasnt nearly as interesting and the story wasnt nearly as good. The first one at the end i was like "WHAAAAAAAA No way" this one i was like "oh" lol.

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Okay, but thats 1 aspect of the game.... the 2nd trumps the 1st in everything else. So, well you know.

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#9 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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No the sad thing is games like Killzone 2 (9.0) and Farcry 2 (8.5) among others score very well compared to the quality (in some cases poor) of the game. While Bioshock 2 is a fantastic game and only scores an 8.5 (not saying 8.5 is a bad score).

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#10 glez13
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So probably by your logic if a random NES game got 9/10, 20+ years ago, Bioshock 2(and many others) should get around 30/10 because it's a much better game.:|

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#11 adman66
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its the reviewers opinion on the game, i think alot of games scored too high/low but i dont make threads about it
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#12 Merex760
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A sequel is expected to do more than just make the bad stuff good, it should also expand on what was already good. This is what BS2 lacks, it refines but it never redefines.

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This. They fixed the bad, but they barely brought in anything new.
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#13 Regisland
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It was ok, diserved a 8.5 or a 9 like the original.Nothing special like the first one.

And the multiplayer was pretty mediocre.

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#14 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

A sequel is expected to do more than just make the bad stuff good, it should also expand on what was already good. This is what BS2 lacks, it refines but it never redefines.

Merex760
This. They fixed the bad, but they barely brought in anything new.

That's what I've gotten from every review I've watched and read. I'll buy the game... eventually.
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#15 SilverChimera
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No the sad thing is games like Killzone 2 (9.0) and Farcry 2 (8.5) among others score very well compared to the quality (in some cases poor) of the game. While Bioshock 2 is a fantastic game and only scores an 8.5 (not saying 8.5 is a bad score).

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What's wrong with KZ2 and Far Cry 2's scores?
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#16 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

No the sad thing is games like Killzone 2 (9.0) and Farcry 2 (8.5) among others score very well compared to the quality (in some cases poor) of the game. While Bioshock 2 is a fantastic game and only scores an 8.5 (not saying 8.5 is a bad score).

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What's wrong with KZ2 and Far Cry 2's scores?

I loved KZ2, HATED Far Cry 2... I'd rather play Haze three times than play Far Cry 2 once. I couldnt get into that game... it seemed like they did every thing they could to take me out of it. It's a shame, because I really enjoyed the original Far Cry.
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#17 OreoMilkshake
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I'm sure you'd get them if they gave it AAA.
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#18 Gamerz1569
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Standards change.

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#19 ironman388
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Standards change.

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yeah, they got WAY lower. bioshock is better gameplay wise and is pretty good story wise (i like the characters better, however the story isnt all that great this time). the audiobooks are way cooler and are sometimes funny, however bioshock had a more creepy atmosphere while BS2 does not. BS2 is more action oriented while BS1 was more story/atmosphere oriented

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#20 kholdstare61
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One thing that you should put into account when looking at review scores is initial impact and impressions. When Ocarina of Time first came out people were amazed by it because it was the first time they played anything like it, but when other Zeldas came out even though they played better they didn't have the initial awe factor. Same goes for Bioshock 2 not having the awe factor from exploring Rapture, hence the lower score.

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#21 88mphSlayer
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the fun factor alone in Bioshock 2 is more than most fps on consoles this gen

the added atmosphere of a Rapture in severe decay and the story make it even better

imo very overlooked game, but it's not an exclusive so nobody is there to overhype it i guess

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#22 masterpinky2000
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I don't necessarily have a problem with the review -- I think reviewers should be harsher to games that don't represent a big leap forward for the series. After all, 8.5 isn't exactly the kiss of death, it still says that BS2 is an excellent title. I think one example that's more galling is Gears of War 2, which didn't really improve on the original at all. I thought that was an 8.0 or 8.5 game at best.
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#23 n00bkid
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Bioshock 2 is a much better game then Bioshock 1. Of course the story was new in the original bioshock but that is it. Bioshock 2 fixes almost every single issue with part 1. It also adds a fun multiplayer.

Why is it rated so much lower then the first one? I don't get that.

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Because it's still in Rapture...only downfall i think
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#24 VideoGameGuy
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the first one should have gotten an 8 in the first place (or lower) that's the REAL problem.
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#25 Trigger_Hppy
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It needed more Sander Cohen. Or the surgeon guy. In fact, there was no real "freaky-evil" person in the game, other than Lamb, and she was more misguided than freaky. Rapture was much cooler in the original. That said, BioShock 2 was still a great game, just not as memorable.

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#26 Skittles_McGee
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No the sad thing is games like Killzone 2 (9.0) and Farcry 2 (8.5) among others score very well compared to the quality (in some cases poor) of the game. While Bioshock 2 is a fantastic game and only scores an 8.5 (not saying 8.5 is a bad score).

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Why is it sad that Killzone 2 scored a 9? :|
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#27 Trigger_Hppy
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

No the sad thing is games like Killzone 2 (9.0) and Farcry 2 (8.5) among others score very well compared to the quality (in some cases poor) of the game. While Bioshock 2 is a fantastic game and only scores an 8.5 (not saying 8.5 is a bad score).

Skittles_McGee

Why is it sad that Killzone 2 scored a 9? :|

Killzone 2 deserved the 9, and I also take issue with Far Cry 2, it was a really good game. I do agree with the BioShock score though.

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#28 DarkLink77
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Rapture was special the first time because it was new and unique. And the story was extremely well done.

Sure, the sequel improved on it's problems, but it wasn't new, unique or original anymore.

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#29 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

No the sad thing is games like Killzone 2 (9.0) and Farcry 2 (8.5) among others score very well compared to the quality (in some cases poor) of the game. While Bioshock 2 is a fantastic game and only scores an 8.5 (not saying 8.5 is a bad score).

Trigger_Hppy

Why is it sad that Killzone 2 scored a 9? :|

Killzone 2 deserved the 9, and I also take issue with Far Cry 2, it was a really good game. I do agree with the BioShock score though.

I pretty much agree. KZ2 deserved all of its praise. FC2... maybe not so much. I can see where Gamespot's coming from on the score for BioShock 2 so far. It makes sense.
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#30 stiggy321
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A sequel is expected to do more than just make the bad stuff good, it should also expand on what was already good. This is what BS2 lacks, it refines but it never redefines.

Vaasman
... I see.
Expanded set of moral quandaries Story expands upon the world of Rapture Fantastically atmospheric and creepy Improved combat mechanicsGameSpot
Looks like a lot of "expanding" was going on. If you meant that a sequal should say, be set in a whole new world... then why would it be a sequal? Wouldn't it just be a new game? Paying someone to "review" a video game is like paying someone to describe the tatse of different kinds of orange juice. It's completely subjective... and asinine.
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#31 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

No the sad thing is games like Killzone 2 (9.0) and Farcry 2 (8.5) among others score very well compared to the quality (in some cases poor) of the game. While Bioshock 2 is a fantastic game and only scores an 8.5 (not saying 8.5 is a bad score).

Skittles_McGee
Why is it sad that Killzone 2 scored a 9? :|

I think it was rather generic, an 8.0 would be pretty generous.
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#32 In-Flamez
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I force them to have the big daddies and splicers and sisters to escape during the nam war. DO IT.

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#33 enterawesome
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It's just missing that "wow" factor the original had, I suppose. It was inevitable too, considering it is a sequel, and I find devolopers criticizing that aspect so much a little unfair. Games like Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Halo 2, and GTA: Vice City were never criticized for being very similar to their predecessors, so why should Bioshock 2?
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#34 Bigboi500
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It's just missing that "wow" factor the original had, I suppose. It was inevitable too, considering it is a sequel, and I find devolopers criticizing that aspect so much a little unfair. Games like Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Halo 2, and GTA: Vice City were never criticized for being very similar to their predecessors, so why should Bioshock 2? enterawesome
I don't think it's missing the "wow" factor personally. It's a much better game overall, just like NMH2DS and TLoZ: ST were both better than their first games. I think the reason they scored lower is simply lack of hype from the majority of users on this site. GS seems to respond well and favorably to the largest amounts of hype in most cases.

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#35 WilliamRLBaker
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I have to disagree with it too bioshock 1 was vastly superior to bioshock 2 in every way, 2k has turned bioshock 2 into a fast paced twitch shooter, where as the first game was a slow paced strategic adventure shooter.

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#36 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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I have to disagree with it too bioshock 1 was vastly superior to bioshock 2 in every way, 2k has turned bioshock 2 into a fast paced twitch shooter, where as the first game was a slow paced strategic adventure shooter.

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I wouldn't really call the first a "strategic shooter".
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#37 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"]It's just missing that "wow" factor the original had, I suppose. It was inevitable too, considering it is a sequel, and I find devolopers criticizing that aspect so much a little unfair. Games like Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Halo 2, and GTA: Vice City were never criticized for being very similar to their predecessors, so why should Bioshock 2? Bigboi500

I don't think it's missing the "wow" factor personally. It's a much better game overall, just like NMH2DS and TLoZ: ST were both better than their first games. I think the reason they scored lower is simply lack of hype from the majority of users on this site. GS seems to respond well and favorably to the largest amounts of hype in most cases.

Then that's even worse! What kind of terrible reviewer judges quality by hype?
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#38 StealthMonkey4
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It's just missing that "wow" factor the original had, I suppose. It was inevitable too, considering it is a sequel, and I find devolopers criticizing that aspect so much a little unfair. Games like Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Halo 2, and GTA: Vice City were never criticized for being very similar to their predecessors, so why should Bioshock 2? enterawesome
I did find it odd that Uncharted 2, albeit a good game, is basically Uncharted 1 with different environments ,better graphics, and multiplayer. Enemies look and act the same, the gunplay is the same, the platforming is the same, the gun variety is the same, etc. Uncharted 2 however was never criticized (as far as I know) for being too similar yet Bioshock 2 is.
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#39 chopperdave447
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the star of the first game was the environment, the gameplay wasn't that special, and the story was good. the best thing i like about the 2nd one is that they really improved the gameplay. it's not just a lame shooter anymore, it's got real depth.
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#40 ironman388
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I have to disagree with it too bioshock 1 was vastly superior to bioshock 2 in every way, 2k has turned bioshock 2 into a fast paced twitch shooter, where as the first game was a slow paced strategic adventure shooter.

WilliamRLBaker

how is the first better? money now is useful, in the first i would always find myself with the 500 cap, i never had to hack safes because i always had autohacks and half the weapons and plasmids were useless. you never needed cyclone unless you felt like dicking around and dummy was useless because you would crush enemies anyway, now hacking things really helps and so does things like the security targeting plasmid especially against miniturrets. also big daddies were too easy to fight (just use a bunch of trap bolts and throw crap at them and use electric buck), the audiologs werent as inciteful and most weapons were underpowered. now everything is useful and more balanced and the boss fights really feel like boss fights, all the ammo is useful and you will need all of it for big daddies, bruisers and big sisters (i am talking about hard difficulty for all this stuff). you can lay trap rivets, but it wont demolish a big daddy like the trap bolts which were unavoidable for a big daddy. everything has a use and feels powerful. also it makes sense that you will be fighting more because your are a freakin big daddy. you are a target for everyone, also it fits story wise because Lamb now has an army of splicers at her disposal to you use against you. of course you will be fighting more, however it is no twitch shooter. also the fact that the reduced the amount of medpacks and eve hypos to 5 makes the game harder and makes the survival aspect that much more emphasized. you learn a lot more about characters and the history of rapture through the audiologs and some are really interesting like the guy who came to rapture looking for his daughter who might have been turned into a big/little sister, i just cant wait till i find the next log based on that story. the only thing that bioshock one has over this game is that it was way creepier. however the art and design of the buildings is so much nicer in ths game especially when

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you have to fight the priest guy, i forgot the name of that area. the art is so nice and the area is so well done and really gives the feel that the place used to filled with history and culture.

bioshock 1 was awesome, but this game is way better in the gameplay department, character development (i mean you really feel bad for some characters in the audio logs and they really suck you in) and all the environments seem a bit bigger, however sometimes claustrophobic. the only other thing that bioshock 1 had that was better was the antagonist andrew ryan. he was such an awesome character and really made the story way better than BS2. Lamb isnt the most interesting of characters imo and while the story is good, she is no andrew ryan

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#42 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"]It's just missing that "wow" factor the original had, I suppose. It was inevitable too, considering it is a sequel, and I find devolopers criticizing that aspect so much a little unfair. Games like Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Halo 2, and GTA: Vice City were never criticized for being very similar to their predecessors, so why should Bioshock 2? StealthMonkey4
I did find it odd that Uncharted 2, albeit a good game, is basically Uncharted 1 with different environments ,better graphics, and multiplayer. Enemies look and act the same, the gunplay is the same, the platforming is the same, the gun variety is the same, etc. Uncharted 2 however was never criticized (as far as I know) for being too similar yet Bioshock 2 is.

Both are huge step-ups from their predecessors, IMO, but similar, of course. Bioshock 2 is taking a lot of heat for it for some reason though.
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#43 muzik_mafia
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It needed more Sander Cohen. Or the surgeon guy. In fact, there was no real "freaky-evil" person in the game, other than Lamb, and she was more misguided than freaky. Rapture was much cooler in the original. That said, BioShock 2 was still a great game, just not as memorable.

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#44 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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It needed more Sander Cohen. Or the surgeon guy. In fact, there was no real "freaky-evil" person in the game, other than Lamb, and she was more misguided than freaky. Rapture was much cooler in the original. That said, BioShock 2 was still a great game, just not as memorable.

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