I don't understand Nintendo's decisions the last few years.

Stopped First Party support for the Wii, leaving it to die at the end of its life cycle. (Besides Xenoblade)

They didn"t spend the time creating 3DS games for its launch year, creating one of the pathetic launches for a system in Recent memory.

They didn't spend the time To learn "HD Developement" for the Wii U, not learning from the mistakes from the 3DS and essentially having another horrible launch for another system. The Wii U tablet: why ?

They are not going to Catch lighting in a bottle again, the "Casual" crowd has already moved, now because of a expensive Tablet controller in every box they had to sacrifice Hardware resulting in their Console being barely stronger then the current generation Consoles.

Lack Of Third Party: I agree this has more to do with the lack of Hardware Sales however Nintendo"s Attitude towards third partys and Indies hasn't been all that great, why didn't they try harder like Sony is currently doing with the PS4 ?

Having a Reccent "Iron Grip" on their IPs shutting down Youtube accounts of "Nintendo Fans" that are uploading Video"s of their games. Reccently almost shutting down Smash Bros at Evo. Don"t they care about their loyal Fans who love them to death?

Region Locking the WiiU and 3DS.

Did they become Blinded by their own success from the Wii and the DS ? I don"t understand why they created such a problem for themselves. Is Nintendo stuck in its old and stubborn Japanese ways ? It seems like Sony learning from the Western Market is doing them well. Is Nintendo in desperate need of some new blood ?

I totally understand Nintendo's decisions - they are Nintendo.

Remember, this is the company that stuck with cartridges while EVERYONE ELSE was moving towards CDs. Then they get those GameCube discs the next gen.

Nintendo makes weird decisions. The Wii was a success because it was simple, and easy to get into. The Wii U on the other hand, is clunky, not fun, and pointless.

Nintendo needs to bow out of the console race.

Their handling of the Wii U has been baffling for sure. One of the things that baffles me the most though is the total lack of marketing the system is getting. Nintendo did put some effort into advertising the Wii and I recall all the advertisements the Wii got, whereas I've seen maybe one or two Wii U commmercials in its lifetime so far. 

Another thing that I don't get is how long it is taking for Nintendo to reach "panic mode" for the Wii U, in comparison to how long it took them to reach it with the 3DS. No price cuts for the Wii U or no new bundles or any sort fo new console features or anything. 

Really what the Wii U needs right now is better marketing and a price cut/new bundles, and to do all this stuff around the holidays and when we are getting around the releases of the first party games oand whatever second party/third party games there are. 

Stopped First Party support for the Wii, leaving it to die at the end of its life cycle. (Besides Xenoblade)

They didn"t spend the time creating 3DS games for its launch year, creating one of the pathetic launches for a system in Recent memory.

They didn't spend the time To learn "HD Developement" for the Wii U, not learning from the mistakes from the 3DS and essentially having another horrible launch for another system. The Wii U tablet: why ?

They are not going to Catch lighting in a bottle again, the "Casual" crowd has already moved, now because of a expensive Tablet controller in every box they had to sacrifice Hardware resulting in their Console being barely stronger then the current generation Consoles.

Lack Of Third Party: I agree this has more to do with the lack of Hardware Sales however Nintendo"s Attitude towards third partys and Indies hasn't been all that great, why didn't they try harder like Sony is currently doing with the PS4 ?

Having a Reccent "Iron Grip" on their IPs shutting down Youtube accounts of "Nintendo Fans" that are uploading Video"s of their games. Reccently almost shutting down Smash Bros at Evo. Don"t they care about their loyal Fans who love them to death?

Region Locking the WiiU and 3DS.

Did they become Blinded by their own success from the Wii and the DS ? I don"t understand why they created such a problem for themselves. Is Nintendo stuck in its old and stubborn Japanese ways ? It seems like Sony learning from the Western Market is doing them well. Is Nintendo in desperate need of some new blood ?

Blake135

They are not going to Catch lighting in a bottle again, the "Casual" crowd has already moved, now because of a expensive Tablet controller in every box they had to sacrifice Hardware resulting in their Console being barely stronger then the current generation Consoles.

Lack Of Third Party: I agree this has more to do with the lack of Hardware Sales however Nintendo"s Attitude towards third partys and Indies hasn't been all that great, why didn't they try harder like Sony is currently doing with the PS4 ?

Did they become Blinded by their own success from the Wii and the DS ? I don"t understand why they created such a problem for themselves. Is Nintendo stuck in its old and stubborn Japanese ways ? It seems like Sony learning from the Western Market is doing them well. Is Nintendo in desperate need of some new blood ?

Blake135

I believe it's a misconception that Nintendo sacrificed hardware for the sake of the controller. They intentionally placed the system where it's at to stifle 3rd-party development, and it massively backfired on them.

The creative forces behind the WiiU have no idea what they're doing. Even with the current cards in hand they can make a strong play, but they aren't showing any signs of doing that. Looks like they've pissed themselves and are in need of deliverence from a higher power.:P

Where do you even start?  Nintendo's decisions since the N64 have been highly questionable.  There used to be a day & age when no matter what system you played games on, it was always referred to as a Nintendo.  They've remained a same-sized fish in an ever expanding pond.  Their unwillingness to acknowledge the dependency of platforms on third-party support and the good ideas of their competitors have been the most damaging to their brand reputation and market relevance.

I don't think ninty shuts down youtube channels that have LP's of ninty games anymore.

I don't think ninty shuts down youtube that have LP's of ninty games anymore.

super600

[QUOTE="super600"]

I don't think ninty shuts down youtube that have LP's of ninty games anymore.

Basinboy

Eh, I find that whole situation fishy. The thing is, that cease and esist Nintendo sent apparantly only lasted merely hours before getting reversed, which makes me think that there was some sort of communication failure between teams in Nintendo. I mean, Nintendo isn't the type to so quickly drop a decision of theirs from what I know of them; They've gotten so much complaints and sh*t over the years for region locking yet they still stick to it to this day. 

Still a f*ck up on their part if that is what happened, but maybe not as bad or as heinous as we perceived.

I can explain all their decisions perfectly fine except for region locks and that youtube stuff. I think they've been feeling hurt cause of the gaming press ongoing ostracization of Nintendo games/hardware.

They have already cooked this bird and they're just going to have to either deal with selling only 10 million consoles over the next four years or they are going to do what they did to the Virtual Boy and abort.

They made five big mistakes with WiiU:

1. They should have launched the console in 2010.

2. They should have included 4GB of RAM. This would have cost a big tech company like Nintendo ten bucks more.

3. They should have built the console and the games around a next gen 3D-tracking remote with a wireless nunchuck+. The remote was sleek, it was simple, and people understood it. Nintendo tried to cash in on this trend of tablets, but the tablet market would rather just buy a real tablet.

4. They didn't move development of Skyward Sword to the new console and the speculative 3D-tracking remote. It seems they didn't start development on any adventure games for their new console until last year. We havn't seen so much as a trailer for a new Zelda, 3D Mario, first person Metroid, Star Fox, or a new IP. We're going into the second holiday season for this console and there is still no killer app. The only exclusive fps on the system is ZombiU and it's frankly the fat girl at the prom.

5. They called the new console the WiiU. That is just poop for branding.

I totally understand Nintendo's decisions - they are Nintendo.

Remember, this is the company that stuck with cartridges while EVERYONE ELSE was moving towards CDs. Then they get those GameCube discs the next gen.

Nintendo makes weird decisions. The Wii was a success because it was simple, and easy to get into. The Wii U on the other hand, is clunky, not fun, and pointless.

Nintendo needs to bow out of the console race.

AHUGECAT

Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

The only things I dont get.  

Why did they put Retro on another DKC immediately?  It'll be great, but they could have done much more to get hype for the Wii U.  A new Metroid, the revival of another Nintendo IP, or even a new IP would have been better.

Why SM3DW?  I guess I do get this one.  It has the potential to boost sales of the 3d series.  Still kind of sucks though.

Why cant they be creative with 2D Mario games?  

They aren't doing bad on their games, but damn it they could be doing much better.  If the Wii U doesn't get a price drop this year (suicide) I'll only be getting a PS4 this holiday.

Nintendo just want to put cheap crap out and Mario games.

Nintendo are lucky they're  idiot fanboys about.

Stopped First Party support for the Wii, leaving it to die at the end of its life cycle. (Besides Xenoblade)

They didn"t spend the time creating 3DS games for its launch year, creating one of the pathetic launches for a system in Recent memory.

They didn't spend the time To learn "HD Developement" for the Wii U, not learning from the mistakes from the 3DS and essentially having another horrible launch for another system. The Wii U tablet: why ?

They are not going to Catch lighting in a bottle again, the "Casual" crowd has already moved, now because of a expensive Tablet controller in every box they had to sacrifice Hardware resulting in their Console being barely stronger then the current generation Consoles.

Lack Of Third Party: I agree this has more to do with the lack of Hardware Sales however Nintendo"s Attitude towards third partys and Indies hasn't been all that great, why didn't they try harder like Sony is currently doing with the PS4 ?

Having a Reccent "Iron Grip" on their IPs shutting down Youtube accounts of "Nintendo Fans" that are uploading Video"s of their games. Reccently almost shutting down Smash Bros at Evo. Don"t they care about their loyal Fans who love them to death?

Region Locking the WiiU and 3DS.

Did they become Blinded by their own success from the Wii and the DS ? I don"t understand why they created such a problem for themselves. Is Nintendo stuck in its old and stubborn Japanese ways ? It seems like Sony learning from the Western Market is doing them well. Is Nintendo in desperate need of some new blood ?

Blake135

What's funny about the Lack of Third Party comment is that both the WiiU and 3DS launches had a lot of 3rd Party.

It was just 3rd Party games that no one cared about.

What's funny about the Lack of Third Party comment is that both the WiiU and 3DS launches had a lot of 3rd Party.

It was just 3rd Party games that no one cared about.

LegatoSkyheart

Yeah even the Wii had a lot of 3rd party games.  I could be wrong, but I think it had more 3rd party exclusives than the PS3 or 360.  Of course very few were note-worthy.

I don't think ninty shuts down youtube channels that have LP's of ninty games anymore.

super600

Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

The only things I dont get.  

Why did they put Retro on another DKC immediately?  It'll be great, but they could have done much more to get hype for the Wii U.  A new Metroid, the revival of another Nintendo IP, or even a new IP would have been better.

Why SM3DW?  I guess I do get this one.  It has the potential to boost sales of the 3d series.  Still kind of sucks though.

Why cant they be creative with 2D Mario games?  

 

They aren't doing bad on their games, but damn it they could be doing much better.  If the Wii U doesn't get a price drop this year (suicide) I'll only be getting a PS4 this holiday.

Wiimotefan

Metroid Prime 2 - 2004

DKCR - 2010

DKCR: Tropical Freeze - 2013

This is sudden... how?

I also find the request for Retro to do another Metroid (jeez, let that series have it's second break after the Other M backdraft), rather than a second DK ironic considering they ALREADY made three games in the former series and thus far, only made one (soon to be two) DK game.

Nintendo's problems are due to:

-Hubris and their legacy is working against them and has caused them to be arrogant.

-their reluctance to spend money (this is why there's barely any marketing, why the memory in the U is pathetic, why there's hardware failures for the first time ever, why there was no PC, why they've been so strict with their IPs, why there's a lack of games coming out faster).  The whole company reeks of extreme conservatism.  They are terrified of investing in their own product (with the Wii U).

-lack of foresight as to where the industry was headed years ago, and we're seeing the consequences of it today. 

-reluctance to acknowledge what the industry really wants and a failure to appeal to it.  Going their own way is good, but to not also go after the desires of the market is a losing strategy.

-diehard fans that will defend and support them to the death and who are unable to hold any objectivity to Nintendo's current position.  They are the exact people who enable Nintendo to continue its backwards ways.

-vast cultural differences.

-3rd party issues, but this is nothing new so it's really irrelevant nowadays.

-general incompetence.  Things such as region locking and no unified account system.

-worst of all, they have a defeatist and passive attitude.  From Iwata's, "we're too far behind Live and PSN to catch up", to his "we aim to be everyone's 2nd console choice" statements display an astounding lack of aggressiveness and drive.   I could never fathom Sony or MS saying anything of the sort.  Nintendo comes off like a bumbling fool that has no defined vision nor drive.  There's a large sense that they have absolutely NO idea of what they're doing.  They're a legend in their own mind who have no idea they're quickly becoming the laughing stock in gaming who are irrevelant to many people.

As much as I worry for Nintendo, I take comfort in the hope that they keep heading down the path they are, because if they continue to perform so poorly and lose enough money there WILL be drastic action taken to remedy it by investors.  Iwata will be kicked out or at least heavily demoted which will be a great start, and many of the old suits running things will retire.  Hopefully young blood will take over who understands how to run a business, who hold a merciless drive to demolish the competition like Steve Jobs did, are aware of what people wish for while still being innovative, are willing to modernize and not be so stubborn, and choose remove that bubble over their head.

Buuuuut I don't believe we'll be seeing this for many years unfortunately.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

The only things I dont get.  

Why did they put Retro on another DKC immediately?  It'll be great, but they could have done much more to get hype for the Wii U.  A new Metroid, the revival of another Nintendo IP, or even a new IP would have been better.

Why SM3DW?  I guess I do get this one.  It has the potential to boost sales of the 3d series.  Still kind of sucks though.

Why cant they be creative with 2D Mario games?  

 

They aren't doing bad on their games, but damn it they could be doing much better.  If the Wii U doesn't get a price drop this year (suicide) I'll only be getting a PS4 this holiday.

nintendoboy16

Metroid Prime 2 - 2004

DKCR - 2010

DKCR: Tropical Freeze - 2013

This is sudden... how?

I also find the request for Retro to do another Metroid (jeez, let that series have it's second break after the Other M backdraft), rather than a second DK ironic considering they ALREADY made three games in the former series and thus far, only made one (soon to be two) DK game.

1.  Its their next game.  It is their next immediate release.  They finished a DKC and moved straight to more DKC.  I never said sudden.  Alternating releases would not be a bad thing.

2.  Why would Other M be a reason for Retro not to make a Metroid game?  I really see no correlation whatsoever.

3.  I'm lost for what you're getting at... they made 3 Metroid games.  All of them good.  The last one came out 6 years ago.  Why should they not release a new Metroid?

I'm not saying they shouldnt make DKC anymore.  I'm saying that it makes little sense to jump straight into another.  They could alternate these games and it would be just fine, Metroid is overdue for a good sequel, DKC is not.

Furthermore, Metroid could do much more to show off the capabilities of the Wii U not only from a visual standpoint, but also as a game that could make great use of the tablet.

A really slick Metroid title from Retro could generate some buzz for the Wii U.  Much moreso than a new DKC.

[QUOTE="Basinboy"][QUOTE="super600"]

I don't think ninty shuts down youtube that have LP's of ninty games anymore.

DJ-Lafleur

Eh, I find that whole situation fishy. The thing is, that cease and esist Nintendo sent apparantly only lasted merely hours before getting reversed, which makes me think that there was some sort of communication failure between teams in Nintendo. I mean, Nintendo isn't the type to so quickly drop a decision of theirs from what I know of them; They've gotten so much complaints and sh*t over the years for region locking yet they still stick to it to this day. 

Still a f*ck up on their part if that is what happened, but maybe not as bad or as heinous as we perceived.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

The only things I dont get.  

Why did they put Retro on another DKC immediately?  It'll be great, but they could have done much more to get hype for the Wii U.  A new Metroid, the revival of another Nintendo IP, or even a new IP would have been better.

Why SM3DW?  I guess I do get this one.  It has the potential to boost sales of the 3d series.  Still kind of sucks though.

Why cant they be creative with 2D Mario games?  

 

They aren't doing bad on their games, but damn it they could be doing much better.  If the Wii U doesn't get a price drop this year (suicide) I'll only be getting a PS4 this holiday.

Wiimotefan

Metroid Prime 2 - 2004

DKCR - 2010

DKCR: Tropical Freeze - 2013

This is sudden... how?

I also find the request for Retro to do another Metroid (jeez, let that series have it's second break after the Other M backdraft), rather than a second DK ironic considering they ALREADY made three games in the former series and thus far, only made one (soon to be two) DK game.

1.  Its their next game.  It is their next immediate release.  They finished a DKC and moved straight to more DKC.  I never said sudden.  Alternating releases would not be a bad thing.

2.  Why would Other M be a reason for Retro not to make a Metroid game?  I really see no correlation whatsoever.

3.  I'm lost for what you're getting at... they made 3 Metroid games.  All of them good.  The last one came out 6 years ago.  Why should they not release a new Metroid?

I'm not saying they shouldnt make DKC anymore.  I'm saying that it makes little sense to jump straight into another.  They could alternate these games and it would be just fine, Metroid is overdue for a good sequel, DKC is not.

Furthermore, Metroid could do much more to show off the capabilities of the Wii U not only from a visual standpoint, but also as a game that could make great use of the tablet.

A really slick Metroid title from Retro could generate some buzz for the Wii U.  Much moreso than a new DKC.

I'm pretty hyped for the new DKC, but I have to agree.  

For a company that can only compete with its games and nothing else, Nintendo is making some odd decisions.  They're putting great talent on the wrong projects.  The games they announced are nice, but they are games that should be happening further into the consoles life.  The Wii U is a system with absolutely ZERO killer apps and is soon to be going up against two killer consoles.  They wasted a year head start.  E3 should have been their time to shine.  A new Metroid from Retro would have been killer!  A new 3d Mario that pushes the envelope even further would have been great!  Instead we get another DKC and what looks to be a bigger version of SM3DL.

Nintendo makes some great stuff, but they sure have a lot to learn about generating excitement.

Where do you even start?  Nintendo's decisions since the N64 have been highly questionable.  There used to be a day & age when no matter what system you played games on, it was always referred to as a Nintendo.  They've remained a same-sized fish in an ever expanding pond.  Their unwillingness to acknowledge the dependency of platforms on third-party support and the good ideas of their competitors have been the most damaging to their brand reputation and market relevance.

Basinboy

Pretty much.

Gamecube was still a really solidly designed system though, with a few quirks. The Wii? Not so much, it was cheap hardware. The original Wii almost should have been as powerful as the Wii-U is now, basically Nintendo skipped and entire generation on the hardware front and with the Wii-U they decided not to even try to play catchup. They got extremely lucky the original Wii caught on as a fad. The Wii-U is basically the aftermath of the last few years of the Wii (after the fad was long dead). 

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

The only things I dont get.  

Why did they put Retro on another DKC immediately?  It'll be great, but they could have done much more to get hype for the Wii U.  A new Metroid, the revival of another Nintendo IP, or even a new IP would have been better.

Why SM3DW?  I guess I do get this one.  It has the potential to boost sales of the 3d series.  Still kind of sucks though.

Why cant they be creative with 2D Mario games?  

 

They aren't doing bad on their games, but damn it they could be doing much better.  If the Wii U doesn't get a price drop this year (suicide) I'll only be getting a PS4 this holiday.

Wiimotefan

Metroid Prime 2 - 2004

DKCR - 2010

DKCR: Tropical Freeze - 2013

This is sudden... how?

I also find the request for Retro to do another Metroid (jeez, let that series have it's second break after the Other M backdraft), rather than a second DK ironic considering they ALREADY made three games in the former series and thus far, only made one (soon to be two) DK game.

1.  Its their next game.  It is their next immediate release.  They finished a DKC and moved straight to more DKC.  I never said sudden.  Alternating releases would not be a bad thing.

2.  Why would Other M be a reason for Retro not to make a Metroid game?  I really see no correlation whatsoever.

3.  I'm lost for what you're getting at... they made 3 Metroid games.  All of them good.  The last one came out 6 years ago.  Why should they not release a new Metroid?

I'm not saying they shouldnt make DKC anymore.  I'm saying that it makes little sense to jump straight into another.  They could alternate these games and it would be just fine, Metroid is overdue for a good sequel, DKC is not.

Furthermore, Metroid could do much more to show off the capabilities of the Wii U not only from a visual standpoint, but also as a game that could make great use of the tablet.

A really slick Metroid title from Retro could generate some buzz for the Wii U.  Much moreso than a new DKC.

I'd argue that after DK had crappy spinoffs up the ass, rather than good platformers pre-DKCR, it could use another trilogy.

They are the worst company out of the three. They have blatently abandoned the core and are chasing gimmicks and families FULL TIME now. The have a tablet controller because tablets are the niche thing now and not one first party game does anything interesting with it... They do little to no marketing leaving third party developers worried that Nintendo has lost touch with reality. Since the Wii Nintendo has been in a cycle of: make a dumb decision that doesn't benefit anyone... Continue promising to make games for the core... release and hype games that the core don't care about... it fails... release a copy pasta first party game.... make a dumb decision that doesn't benefit anyone... continue promising to make games for the core.... release another mario. If it wasn't for the mass audience that bought the Wii Nintendo would be dead now.Grey_Eyed_Elf

Litterally never.

Nintendo needs time to think after Other M bombed in sales and fan reactions. It probably left enough sour tastes in the fan's mouths it would have killed any hype.

I'd argue that after DK had crappy spinoffs up the ass, rather than good platformers pre-DKCR, it could use another trilogy.

nintendoboy16

Hey I can agree to the latter part.  There was a lot of crap before, considering how great DKCR was I would love to see a trilogy.  I just believe now that Retro has two series they're known for they could start alternating between the two.

As for Other M, I think Nintendo should do something to fix that bad reception.  I know there is risk in a new Metroid, but they shouldn't just let the series slip into obscurity.  If anyone can turn things around its Retro.

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]They are the worst company out of the three. They have blatently abandoned the core and are chasing gimmicks and families FULL TIME now. The have a tablet controller because tablets are the niche thing now and not one first party game does anything interesting with it... They do little to no marketing leaving third party developers worried that Nintendo has lost touch with reality. Since the Wii Nintendo has been in a cycle of: make a dumb decision that doesn't benefit anyone... Continue promising to make games for the core... release and hype games that the core don't care about... it fails... release a copy pasta first party game.... make a dumb decision that doesn't benefit anyone... continue promising to make games for the core.... release another mario. If it wasn't for the mass audience that bought the Wii Nintendo would be dead now.LegatoSkyheart

Litterally never.

People are funny when it comes to Nintendo.  They put out just as many core games as they did in the past.  As a matter fact, they put out much more.

They are the worst company out of the three.

They have blatently abandoned the core and are chasing gimmicks and families FULL TIME now. The have a tablet controller because tablets are the niche thing now and not one first party game does anything interesting with it... They do little to no marketing leaving third party developers worried that Nintendo has lost touch with reality. Since the Wii Nintendo has been in a cycle of: make a dumb decision that doesn't benefit anyone... Continue promising to make games for the core... release and hype games that the core don't care about... it fails... release a copy pasta first party game.... make a dumb decision that doesn't benefit anyone... continue promising to make games for the core.... release another mario.

If it wasn't for the mass audience that bought the Wii Nintendo would be dead now.Grey_Eyed_Elf

Oh, and about that last sentence. :lol: No! :| They made profit with the GameCube even when it was faltering and GBA had unstoppable sales to back them up. There was no way it could have killed him.

HUBRIS

shitty people ruined the company and the video game industry.

Where do you even start?  Nintendo's decisions since the N64 have been highly questionable.  There used to be a day & age when no matter what system you played games on, it was always referred to as a Nintendo.  They've remained a same-sized fish in an ever expanding pond.  Their unwillingness to acknowledge the dependency of platforms on third-party support and the good ideas of their competitors have been the most damaging to their brand reputation and market relevance.

Basinboy

Nintendo just want to put cheap crap out and Mario games.

Nintendo are lucky they're  idiot fanboys about.

PCgameruk

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]They are the worst company out of the three. They have blatently abandoned the core and are chasing gimmicks and families FULL TIME now. The have a tablet controller because tablets are the niche thing now and not one first party game does anything interesting with it... They do little to no marketing leaving third party developers worried that Nintendo has lost touch with reality. Since the Wii Nintendo has been in a cycle of: make a dumb decision that doesn't benefit anyone... Continue promising to make games for the core... release and hype games that the core don't care about... it fails... release a copy pasta first party game.... make a dumb decision that doesn't benefit anyone... continue promising to make games for the core.... release another mario. If it wasn't for the mass audience that bought the Wii Nintendo would be dead now.Wiimotefan

Litterally never.

People are funny when it comes to Nintendo.  They put out just as many core games as they did in the past.  As a matter fact, they put out much more.

They managed to save the 3DS by a massive price cut and focusing on what gamers want - appealing games.

The "3D" feature did not sell the system.

WiiU, on the other hand, is costing more to produce due to the screened controller so they can't have a big price cut without taking a loss on the hardware.

The tactic here was that software sales should cover the hardware sales but you can't have one without the other.

Likewise, the screened controller does not sell the system. (alteast not to desired degree)

People are expecting a price drop and appealing games before they will do the investment.

If they don't manage to provide either in due time, the competition will over-run their system and they'll have to deal with mediocre hardware sales and smaller audience.

The repeat of the "Wii scenario" which succeeded because of it's broad appeal is unlikely.

I have a feeling it has to do with their culture as well as the ideas they decided to bank on.

I don't know much about Japanese culture, but I do know that older businesses, especially with older management, tend to rely on older ideas and practices because its worked for years. This has become a burden in these changing times but also can guarantee some sort of safety net if done correctly, especially considering they are a game company not an every company. Its only over the time that it may tend to become a model that is outdated and albeit not as risky, but not as profitable at times compared to some future changes. This really depends on what the products are of course, which may become a serious money sink if not treated with proper commodities and advancements. For Ninty's sake there major first party games and lesser hardware always sell decently enough for great profit, so the idea of doing much of anything differently isn't really their forte. This idea still works, but its gotten to a saturation point especially since the competition is moving in a wholly different direction, good or bad as that may be for us all. In this case, not so great for their sales.

This kind of brings me to another thing though... their marketing has been lackluster due to this over reliance on their first party as well. The main reason why they did no marketing to this day really is because their is nothing to market. Only during these next few months will we see anything remotely marketable for the system. Since they spend a ton of time on each game, and decided to not appease other developers (old customs die hard I guess) they kind of got caught with their pants down so to speak. Ninty was complacent, and expected evergreen consistency from NSMBU and Nintendoland. They never thought of any backup plan maybe because they didn't have one after they decided to jump the gun on its release. If they released later it would be in a bind as well so the only thing they could have done better is either not release something that caters to fans only and with a risky gimmick like the Wii, or have much better support.