I figured out the key problem with kinect...

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#1 0rin
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It's ahead of it's time, and missing it's key component.

Mind control (read, "using thoughts to control games").

With future advances of mind controler devices, to where movement can be mapped to thoughts, Kinect would be perfect for using your hands to aim/look/etc, where as your mind would be great to have your character move forward or backwards.

but for now, Kinect is just too barebones, and lacks a control mechinism for movement. It would be cool if you were just inside a giant ball, where when you walk, kinect records your movement, but as it stands, it's really only limited by having a stationary camera, and making you move around it.

I dunno. It's just too little, too soon. without devices that can sense our thoughts and map them to controls, there will never be a true "hands-free gaming device" that can do more than watch you exercise, or make you pretend to play with skittles.

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.....not sure if serious :?

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#3 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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The problem with mind control is I'm not sure Kinect wants to be reading my mind ;)
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 Skittles is confused.
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Biggest problem with Kinect is that it's going to limit WHAT players can do. There are only so many options when reading player movements, that it will never be as good as using buttons. It that reason alone that the Wiimote and Move will be superior to it as far as gaming goes.

Amazing technology regardless, though.

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Skittles would hate you.

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Kinect lacks the ability to read you while sitting.. Thats it key missing feature
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#8 Nohtnym
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Well... there has to be steps. And kinect is one.

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Kinect lacks the ability to read you while sitting.. Thats it key missing featuredesigner-
No my friend you can't play most games while sitting because you need to stand up to play the games my friend.Ok my friend?My friend ok?
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Kinect lacks the ability to read you while sitting.. Thats it key missing featuredesigner-
rumor at best
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They could quite easily dispel the "rumour" by letting a journalist sit down and use gesture control for either a game or the user interface.

Even ignoring the sitting issue, I really don't see the appeal of using it as a user interface once the novelty wears off.

Do people really think it's more convenient or a better experience to say "XBOX... Pause" in the middle of watching a movie?

Or more convenient to lift your arm, hover it there for a bit while it registers, then slide a slider to fast forward?

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[QUOTE="designer-"]Kinect lacks the ability to read you while sitting.. Thats it key missing featurexbox360isgr8t
rumor at best

It has been confirmed forza 3 works only if you stand up. Which doesn't make any sense if kinect has "amazing recognition" like MS implies and lemmings say.

"I asked one of the two members of Forza development studio Turn 10 if I could play their demo sitting down. They said I could not, that it was "optimized for standing."

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

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Biggest problem with Kinect is that it's going to limit WHAT players can do. There are only so many options when reading player movements, that it will never be as good as using buttons. It that reason alone that the Wiimote and Move will be superior to it as far as gaming goes.

Amazing technology regardless, though.

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Amazing technology.. yeah... but i'ts been done before with the eye toy. But the applications aside from gaming are really pretty cool. It just doesn't seem like a technology that will work well with games, due to it's limited imput, and gamings very complex necessity for imput. Then again there are games like Patapon, Loco Roco, and anything by ThatGameCompany (TGC), which would be perfect for Kinect. Too bad those are all created by Sony :P But hey, MS could just copy it. LocoPon and Pata Roco, coming in 2012 for kinect, and rumors of the soon to be smash game, Daffodils, too!
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"][QUOTE="designer-"]Kinect lacks the ability to read you while sitting.. Thats it key missing featureNohtnym

rumor at best

It has been confirmed forza 3 works only if you stand up. Which doesn't make any sense if kinect has "amazing recognition" like MS implies and lemmings say.

"I asked one of the two members of Forza development studio Turn 10 if I could play their demo sitting down. They said I could not, that it was "optimized for standing."

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

Yes because kinect is so low tech you can't look around a car by sitting down.This is not even possible in real life how would letting you sit and observe a car be a player integration.
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[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"] rumor at bestgenaroll

It has been confirmed forza 3 works only if you stand up. Which doesn't make any sense if kinect has "amazing recognition" like MS implies and lemmings say.

"I asked one of the two members of Forza development studio Turn 10 if I could play their demo sitting down. They said I could not, that it was "optimized for standing."

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

Yes because kinect is so low tech you can't look around a car by sitting down.This is not even possible in real life how would letting you sit and observe a car be a player integration.

first we dont really know wtf that forza demo was and well its so far out that playing games like racers could easily be done still with time. last year it was shown while sitting so it will be there.
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[QUOTE="designer-"]Kinect lacks the ability to read you while sitting.. Thats it key missing featurexbox360isgr8t
rumor at best

That is not being addressed. Questions for it are being avoided or side tracked, and for whatever reason no one has been allowed to place a chair down. This would imply that for movies, you have to get up to use the minority report features. If this was not an issue, it would not need to be a rumor, they would say you can and people would move on. They however avoid answering it even when pressured.
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"][QUOTE="designer-"]Kinect lacks the ability to read you while sitting.. Thats it key missing featuredesigner-
rumor at best

That is not being addressed. Questions for it are being avoided or side tracked, and for whatever reason no one has been allowed to place a chair down. This would imply that for movies, you have to get up to use the minority report features. If this was not an issue, it would not need to be a rumor, they would say you can and people would move on. They however avoid answering it even when pressured.

so will just assume its a problem based on pure speculation...its a typical ploy that they only want you to know so much haters will hate...

this video shows that you can sit and control movies with gesture. There is no point in bashing, hating, judging, critizing and anything else on kinect until its actually out and we can test it for ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Vhu6YcBDE

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[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"] rumor at bestgenaroll

It has been confirmed forza 3 works only if you stand up. Which doesn't make any sense if kinect has "amazing recognition" like MS implies and lemmings say.

"I asked one of the two members of Forza development studio Turn 10 if I could play their demo sitting down. They said I could not, that it was "optimized for standing."

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

Yes because kinect is so low tech you can't look around a car by sitting down.This is not even possible in real life how would letting you sit and observe a car be a player integration.

Dude you must have really weird car if you drive it standing up :lol:

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#19 designer-
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so will just assume its a problem based on pure speculation...its a typical ploy that they only want you to know so much haters will hate...xbox360isgr8t

Never been a hater and actually in trying to prove you wrong I found out that MS has actually said you will be able to sit. So great news, now lets give me some games and I might pick it up...

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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"] so will just assume its a problem based on pure speculation...its a typical ploy that they only want you to know so much haters will hate...designer-

Never been a hater and actually in trying to prove you wrong I found out that MS has actually said you will be able to sit. So great news, now lets give me some games and I might pick it up...

not sure what your trying to prove me wrong with.
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#21 designer-
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not sure what your trying to prove me wrong with. xbox360isgr8t

With it being a rumor at best, being that there have been many articles by the press that have raised concern over this issue. Also an add by Microsoft is hardly a good point of proof of anything. Last add they had there was a kid scanning his skateboard and I fail to see that being demonstrated or talked about at all today...

edit: The link, in case you missed the point, was actually a proving you right.

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#22 nitsud_19
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This is whats wrong *from another thread *

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The problem with kinect are the games that will come with it.

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#24 donalbane
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It's ahead of it's time, and missing it's key component.

Mind control (read, "using thoughts to control games").

With future advances of mind controler devices, to where movement can be mapped to thoughts, Kinect would be perfect for using your hands to aim/look/etc, where as your mind would be great to have your character move forward or backwards.

but for now, Kinect is just too barebones, and lacks a control mechinism for movement. It would be cool if you were just inside a giant ball, where when you walk, kinect records your movement, but as it stands, it's really only limited by having a stationary camera, and making you move around it.

I dunno. It's just too little, too soon. without devices that can sense our thoughts and map them to controls, there will never be a true "hands-free gaming device" that can do more than watch you exercise, or make you pretend to play with skittles.

0rin

Biofeedback based gaming, which will arrive when the price of the hardware comes out, will do just what you describe. I have used the equipment in graduate school, and it works... it's just too expenisve. So you may be kidding, but this will happen within our lifetimes, believe it or not.

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#25 xYamatox
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This is whats wrong *from another thread i posted in*

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#26 genaroll
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This is whats wrong *from another thread i posted in*

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