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#1 mstc_Q
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I used to argue that the 360 was, in the long run, the most expensive console. I also used to argue that you might as well get a high powered PC with an HDMI port and a few 360 controllers because most of the good games for the 360 come out on the PC, which can run them faster and better.



But alas, I give in, everyone here has convinced me.


The PC is just too expensive. I mean it must cost $400 for a video card that can even remotely do what the 360 can do.

The PS3 is just a glorified Bluray player with no games and Sony is dying financially so there's no point on investing any money into the system. And those exclusives that aren't likely going to be on the PC? Not even close to being worth it.

And the Wii is just for children and casual players who don't know what real games are. There aren't any games that an adult can like. And there certainly isn't any nostalgic value from the virtual console - those games are just too dated to be fun anymore.


I give up. The 360 wins this generation.

Xbox Live is the best online gaming service out there. The best games all come out on the 360. It has the best controller. And it's not slowing down at all.

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#2 spinecaton
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You are too obvious... hope no one tries to rebuttal you.
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#3 NinjaMunkey01
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I personally like the ps3 the best, but then you get what you pay for, the PC is the best, then the ps3 shortly followed by the 360 and wii...

I mean look at my sig, tats what Im payting for, the best graphics on any console, of course its gonna cost more...

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#4 MerisYaki
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Sounds about right.
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#5 Starkiller2010
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You remind me of the guy that made the In All Honesty.. Thread a cuple of weeks ago....

Anyone else see any this as being similar?

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#6 jasonheyman
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TC you have seen the light!:P
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#7 mstc_Q
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You are too obvious... hope no one tries to rebuttal you.spinecaton
Subtlety on the internet doesn't work very well. No one reads between the lines because everyone skim reads.
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#8 bigboss5ak
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Must of jus got through playing LO.
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#9 Mr_Ditters
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You can say the ps3 has fewer games but not "no games". It has almost every game that I care about that exists on the 360 except Mass Effect and L4D. It makes up for it with some great exclusives of its own. Its a matter of taste.

As far as the online experience goes, if find gaming to be better on the ps3 because they run dedicated servers on their big titles. Can you imagine how incredible the Gears 2 multiplayer would have been if it came out on ps3 and they ran dedicated servers? Thats not to say that its perfect. Downloads are just horrible. The psn chat is terrible (but not in games). It doesnt have netflix. I'll take all the bad for some dedicated servers.

Oh and as far as Sony dieing. They have their first loss in forever and all of the sudden they are dieing. Thats happening with companies all over the world. Didnt microsoft post losses this year? Not sure.

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#10 urdead18
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Think you could make your fanboyism a little more obvious?

$400 Graphics card?

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4035111&CatId=1558

What's that? $179.99? Nvidia 9800 GT. Completely wrecks 360's video card.While I do agree PC gaming is more expensive, it's not as expensive as people make it out to me. A good $700-$800 computer can run Crysis on max if you know how to build it yourself.

And wow, what is this,2006? Ps3 has PLENTY of exclusives, far more than what's neccessary to warrant a purchase. Killzone 2 is the best FPS on any console.(Back away hermits, I'm not saying graphically better than Crysis, but animations,atmosphere etc it is better,I have Crysis + Crysis Warhead + Killzone 2 beta). Ps3's got a way better 2009 lineup than 360 and it has way more features out of the box. Enough with the glorified Blu-ray player/no games arguement. It's not true.

I've got nothing against 360, it's a good console overall, but there's just too many problems with it and I don't like the games it offers. I like Ps3/PC better.

(To the guy above, voice chat is fine, Dedicated servers = no lag,I have a keyboard for text chat cross-game and I get about 1MB/S on my downloads. It's got a movie rental/purchase store for good prices with SD and HD available, I'm fine with PSN)

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#11 tktomo01
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Well, I agree with the Xbox LIVE part and the PC part, but the PS3 is still awesome, as is the Wii. Mario Kart, Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, and Brawl are some of the top games I play. They are all real dang good if you own em' all and honestly, they are equal in terms of weighted Pros and Cons... Well the Wii lags behind a bit...
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#12 Grinning_Demon
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The war...is...over?

http://www.joshuacase.net/archives/IraqSoldierCrying.jpg

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#13 Mr_Ditters
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Think you could make your fanboyism a little more obvious?

$400 Graphics card?

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4035111&CatId=1558

What's that? $179.99? Nvidia 9800 GT. Completely wrecks 360's video card.While I do agree PC gaming is more expensive, it's not as expensive as people make it out to me. A good $700-$800 computer can run Crysis on max if you know how to build it yourself.

And wow, what is this,2006? Ps3 has PLENTY of exclusives, far more than what's neccessary to warrant a purchase. Killzone 2 is the best FPS on any console.(Back away hermits, I'm not saying graphically better than Crysis, but animations,atmosphere etc it is better,I have Crysis + Crysis Warhead + Killzone 2 beta). Ps3's got a way better 2009 lineup than 360 and it has way more features out of the box. Enough with the glorified Blu-ray player/no games arguement. It's not true.

I've got nothing against 360, it's a good console overall, but there's just too many problems with it and I don't like the games it offers. I like Ps3/PC better.

urdead18

yeah I agree with this guy. You dont have to pay that much for a video card. There are a lot of great video cards that are cheap. It almost makes me feel like a fool for owning an xbox or ps3. (and I own the xbox wifi sheesh what was I thinking)

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#14 Solid_Max13
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I personally like the ps3 the best, but then you get what you pay for, the PC is the best, then the ps3 shortly followed by the 360 and wii...

I mean look at my sig, tats what Im payting for, the best graphics on any console, of course its gonna cost more...

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What he said! I believe the 360 is an ok console but nothing all that great from where people make it out to be. I've found more enjoyment on my PS3 then the 360, but hey other people are different as well.
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#15 RuinedMachine
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400$ video card?


Now I know this is a joke thread.
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#16 mstc_Q
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And you don't even have to be subtle for it to go completely over people's heads.
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#18 Ninja-Hippo
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And you don't even have to be subtle for it to go completely over people's heads.mstc_Q
People are only going to "get it" if they come here regularly and know how much of a sony fanboy you normally are. You cant expect everyone to keep track of your bias. Ironically enough, practically everything you said was true... albeit exaggerated.
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#19 Iqen
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I give up. The 360 wins this generation. Xbox Live is the best online gaming service out there. The best games all come out on the 360. It has the best controller. And it's not slowing down at all. mstc_Q

That sums it up to just right.:D

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#20 mstc_Q
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]And you don't even have to be subtle for it to go completely over people's heads.Ninja-Hippo
People are only going to "get it" if they come here regularly and know how much of a sony fanboy you normally are. You cant expect everyone to keep track of your bias. Ironically enough, practically everything you said was true... albeit exaggerated.

You're the best example I have of people not being able to pick up on subtlety.
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#21 clone01
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am i the only one here that realizes this is a joke thread?
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#22 johnlennon28
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like the the above posters said.. tc, you're too obvious, didnt you just made a topic about ps3's weaknesess, trying to make it sound like your'e not bashing it? youre a fanboy arent ya?
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#23 Droopeh
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I personally think the PS3 is better. I prefer it's games.
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#24 mstc_Q
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[QUOTE="johnlennon28"]like the the above posters said.. tc, you're too obvious, didnt you just made a topic about ps3's weaknesess, trying to make it sound like your'e not bashing it? youre a fanboy arent ya?

Actually, I made one about the Wii the other day. I intend to do one about the 360 later. I'm only allowed to make one poll a day. Actually, I should bump the Wii one, now that I mention it...
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I used to argue that the 360 was, in the long run, the most expensive console. I also used to argue that you might as well get a high powered PC with an HDMI port and a few 360 controllers because most of the good games for the 360 come out on the PC, which can run them faster and better.



But alas, I give in, everyone here has convinced me.


The PC is just too expensive. I mean it must cost $400 for a video card that can even remotely do what the 360 can do.

The PS3 is just a glorified Bluray player with no games and Sony is dying financially so there's no point on investing any money into the system. And those exclusives that aren't likely going to be on the PC? Not even close to being worth it.

And the Wii is just for children and casual players who don't know what real games are. There aren't any games that an adult can like. And there certainly isn't any nostalgic value from the virtual console - those games are just too dated to be fun anymore.


I give up. The 360 wins this generation.

Xbox Live is the best online gaming service out there. The best games all come out on the 360. It has the best controller. And it's not slowing down at all.

mstc_Q

To say that the PS3 is just a glorified Bluray player with no games is simply being ignorant. Tell what XBOX 360 EXCLUSIVE titles make it the better system over the PS3. You say Gears of War 2, Ill come back at you with Killzone 2. You say Mass Effect. Ill come back at you with the fact I can play it on my PC. Fable 2? Not at all a game that defines a system. The fact is that huge games like CoD 5, Fallout 3, Bioshock and GTA IV are all multiplats. Those are the games that the majority of gamers buy and if you consider that and take into consideration that out of the box, the PS3 is BY FAR the better console...FREE online..(XBL is not $50 a month better than PSN), built in WiFi instead of having to buy a rediculously expensive $100 WiFi adapter, online communication is done through a Bluetooth headset which you probably already own for your cell phone and yes, BluRay is very much a nice touch as well!

Both systems are outstanding and both have their pros and cons, but if you really want to comapre the two for bells and whistles, the PS3 is the better console!!

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#26 Burnsmiesta
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]And you don't even have to be subtle for it to go completely over people's heads.mstc_Q
People are only going to "get it" if they come here regularly and know how much of a sony fanboy you normally are. You cant expect everyone to keep track of your bias. Ironically enough, practically everything you said was true... albeit exaggerated.

You're the best example I have of people not being able to pick up on subtlety.



Then why even make the thread? Always method behind the action.
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#27 mstc_Q
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] People are only going to "get it" if they come here regularly and know how much of a sony fanboy you normally are. You cant expect everyone to keep track of your bias. Ironically enough, practically everything you said was true... albeit exaggerated.Burnsmiesta
You're the best example I have of people not being able to pick up on subtlety.



Then why even make the thread? Always method behind the action.

If you don't understand, then I didn't make the thread for you.
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#28 johnlennon28
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

I used to argue that the 360 was, in the long run, the most expensive console. I also used to argue that you might as well get a high powered PC with an HDMI port and a few 360 controllers because most of the good games for the 360 come out on the PC, which can run them faster and better.



But alas, I give in, everyone here has convinced me.


The PC is just too expensive. I mean it must cost $400 for a video card that can even remotely do what the 360 can do.

The PS3 is just a glorified Bluray player with no games and Sony is dying financially so there's no point on investing any money into the system. And those exclusives that aren't likely going to be on the PC? Not even close to being worth it.

And the Wii is just for children and casual players who don't know what real games are. There aren't any games that an adult can like. And there certainly isn't any nostalgic value from the virtual console - those games are just too dated to be fun anymore.


I give up. The 360 wins this generation.

Xbox Live is the best online gaming service out there. The best games all come out on the 360. It has the best controller. And it's not slowing down at all.

kungfuchaos

To say that the PS3 is just a glorified Bluray player with no games is simply being ignorant. Tell what XBOX 360 EXCLUSIVE titles make it the better system over the PS3. You say Gears of War 2, Ill come back at you with Killzone 2. You say Mass Effect. Ill come back at you with the fact I can play it on my PC. Fable 2? Not at all a game that defines a system. The fact is that huge games like CoD 5, Fallout 3, Bioshock and GTA IV are all multiplats. Those are the games that the majority of gamers buy and if you consider that and take into consideration that out of the box, the PS3 is BY FAR the better console...FREE online..(XBL is not $50 a month better than PSN), built in WiFi instead of having to buy a rediculously expensive $100 WiFi adapter, online communication is done through a Bluetooth headset which you probably already own for your cell phone and yes, BluRay is very much a nice touch as well!

Both systems are outstanding and both have their pros and cons, but if you really want to comapre the two for bells and whistles, the PS3 is the better console!!

sorry for having a good memory kungfuchaos but arent you that guy who got owned for creating a thread about how you bought a ps3 over and over again, lol, sorry but that thread cracks me up everytime I remember it,lol
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#29 Wasdie  Moderator
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Did anybody else notice that he say he upgraded to a $400 graphic card and it can't do remotly what a 360 can? For $400 I can buy this...

EVGA 01G-P3-1280-AR GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365

That card alone outpowers both a PS3 and a 360 together with some to spare.

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#30 Solid_Max13
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400$ graphic card?Please i got mine for 150 and runs well with many games. And you don't need live as many servers on the PC are 10x better then xboxs live choppy service.
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#31 Burnsmiesta
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[QUOTE="Burnsmiesta"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"] You're the best example I have of people not being able to pick up on subtlety.mstc_Q


Then why even make the thread? Always method behind the action.

If you don't understand, then I didn't make the thread for you.



His thread obviously irked you enough to encourage you to make this. Pretty sad.
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#32 rogerjak
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PS3 has no games....I thought we were in 2009 and not 2007.
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#33 Blackbond
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Theres a lot I don't agree with and then there is stuff that is 100% false. $400 graphics card to equal what the 360 does? What?
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#34 thinicer
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The winner is the Wii.

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#35 Rexer-i4
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[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Think you could make your fanboyism a little more obvious?

$400 Graphics card?

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4035111&CatId=1558

What's that? $179.99? Nvidia 9800 GT. Completely wrecks 360's video card.While I do agree PC gaming is more expensive, it's not as expensive as people make it out to me. A good $700-$800 computer can run Crysis on max if you know how to build it yourself.

And wow, what is this,2006? Ps3 has PLENTY of exclusives, far more than what's neccessary to warrant a purchase. Killzone 2 is the best FPS on any console.(Back away hermits, I'm not saying graphically better than Crysis, but animations,atmosphere etc it is better,I have Crysis + Crysis Warhead + Killzone 2 beta). Ps3's got a way better 2009 lineup than 360 and it has way more features out of the box. Enough with the glorified Blu-ray player/no games arguement. It's not true.

I've got nothing against 360, it's a good console overall, but there's just too many problems with it and I don't like the games it offers. I like Ps3/PC better.

(To the guy above, voice chat is fine, Dedicated servers = no lag,I have a keyboard for text chat cross-game and I get about 1MB/S on my downloads. It's got a movie rental/purchase store for good prices with SD and HD available, I'm fine with PSN)

i totally agree with this guy
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#36 Maxyboy13
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Yeah, the console race will probably end up Wii>360>PS3.

The 360 has an 8 million lead, so the only way the PS3 could catch up this year is if the PS3 outsold the 360 by about 670k each month which, frankly, is quite improbable.

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#37 kamikaze-jk
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I used to argue that the 360 was, in the long run, the most expensive console. I also used to argue that you might as well get a high powered PC with an HDMI port and a few 360 controllers because most of the good games for the 360 come out on the PC, which can run them faster and better.



But alas, I give in, everyone here has convinced me.


The PC is just too expensive. I mean it must cost $400 for a video card that can even remotely do what the 360 can do.

The PS3 is just a glorified Bluray player with no games and Sony is dying financially so there's no point on investing any money into the system. And those exclusives that aren't likely going to be on the PC? Not even close to being worth it.

And the Wii is just for children and casual players who don't know what real games are. There aren't any games that an adult can like. And there certainly isn't any nostalgic value from the virtual console - those games are just too dated to be fun anymore.


I give up. The 360 wins this generation.

Xbox Live is the best online gaming service out there. The best games all come out on the 360. It has the best controller. And it's not slowing down at all.

mstc_Q
Very true
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#38 tommcruise
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HOW IS SONY DYING FINANCIALLY????

Wait till you hear about Microsoft laying off 17% of its staff then come back to me.

You are obviously 12 years old and don't have clue of what you are talking about. The PS3 is so superior to the 360 that its not even funny.

The ONLY reason the xbox sells more is b/c it is cheap (like I said before, Americans love cheap crap).

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#39 Head_of_games
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Your going to need this for those who don't understand sarcasim *hands TC flame sheild*.
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#40 SpruceCaboose
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Why do you feel the need to pick a side and fight for it? Your opinion is the only one that should matter to you.
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#41 mlbslugger86
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Think you could make your fanboyism a little more obvious?

$400 Graphics card?

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4035111&CatId=1558

What's that? $179.99? Nvidia 9800 GT. Completely wrecks 360's video card.While I do agree PC gaming is more expensive, it's not as expensive as people make it out to me. A good $700-$800 computer can run Crysis on max if you know how to build it yourself.

And wow, what is this,2006? Ps3 has PLENTY of exclusives, far more than what's neccessary to warrant a purchase. Killzone 2 is the best FPS on any console.(Back away hermits, I'm not saying graphically better than Crysis, but animations,atmosphere etc it is better,I have Crysis + Crysis Warhead + Killzone 2 beta). Ps3's got a way better 2009 lineup than 360 and it has way more features out of the box. Enough with the glorified Blu-ray player/no games arguement. It's not true.

I've got nothing against 360, it's a good console overall, but there's just too many problems with it and I don't like the games it offers. I like Ps3/PC better.

(To the guy above, voice chat is fine, Dedicated servers = no lag,I have a keyboard for text chat cross-game and I get about 1MB/S on my downloads. It's got a movie rental/purchase store for good prices with SD and HD available, I'm fine with PSN)

urdead18

ok sorry to change the subject but is that seriously killzone 2 in your sig??:shock:

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#42 mstc_Q
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Why do you feel the need to pick a side and fight for it? Your opinion is the only one that should matter to you.SpruceCaboose
Didn't you see my thread about that like 6 months ago?
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#43 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Why do you feel the need to pick a side and fight for it? Your opinion is the only one that should matter to you.mstc_Q
Didn't you see my thread about that like 6 months ago?

If only I could remember back that far...
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#44 DealRogers
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[QUOTE="Starkiller2010"]

You remind me of the guy that made the In All Honesty.. Thread a cuple of weeks ago....

Anyone else see any this as being similar?

LOL that was self ownage at its best.
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#45 proud722
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£8 for mass effect down at my local gamestation. On the 360 it's still holding at £20. Yes hardware can be costly but when you custom build you can at least come out with a pc that would have cost you a hell of allot more out of the box. Not to mention a pc has more uses so your not just spending all that money on a gaming machine. It's also not like you have to upgrade that often but most importantly of all like I was saying back at the start pc games are allot cheaper than console games and they seem to go down in price allot faster.

I just had to say that. I don't even pc game myself, hell I'm a lemming for the most part but I've got some respect for pc gamers and you just don't know what your talking about trying to write off the pc like that like every other fanboy.

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#46 mstc_Q
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Why do you feel the need to pick a side and fight for it? Your opinion is the only one that should matter to you.SpruceCaboose
Didn't you see my thread about that like 6 months ago?

If only I could remember back that far...

It was a topic about how the PS3 won as far as I'm concerned and I'm the only one that matters. Of course, certain ninjas and other people can't seem to understand what I'm implying when I say that.
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#47 passentry
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I give up. The 360 wins this generation.

Xbox Live is the best online gaming service out there. The best games all come out on the 360. It has the best controller. And it's not slowing down at all.

mstc_Q

I know the 360 wins this generation.

However, there is one reason I will buy a PS3; Metal Gear Solid 4.

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[QUOTE="tommcruise"]

The ONLY reason the xbox sells more is b/c it is cheap (like I said before, Americans love cheap crap).

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#49 obamanian
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Considering 360 gets

- The best of PC games: Witcher white wolf, Dragon Age, Alan Wake, Two Worlds Temptation, KUF2: Dominion, Divinity 2, Venetica, Fallout 3, Oblivion, Risen, Overlord 2, Aliens CM, Aliens RPG, Gothic 4, Beyond Good and Evil 2, Bioshock 2, Majesty 2, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dead Island, Theseis, Age of Conan, The Secret World, Dungeon Hero, Precursors etc

- The best console franshises: Resident Evil 5, Final Fantasy 13, Last Remnant, GTA4, Lord of Shadows etc

- Its own mindblowing exclusives: Fable 2, Mass Effect 2, Star Ocean 4, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia, New Rare, Lionhead games, new RPG's announced lately, Halo 3, Gears 2, Black Legion, Banjo 3, Forza 3, Ninty Nine Nights 2, Ninja Blade, Ninja Gaiden 2, Halo Wars, Naruto:Broken Bond etc

i think for 199$ is the ultimate best gaming deal of all time, and then some

Especially since many of the above games have some of the best in visuals, scale, detail and art worlds ever created in a video game (Fable 2, Two Worlds Temptation, Alan Wake, KUF2, Divinity 2, Venetica etc) and have 50-100+ hours gameplay

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#50 Eyezonmii
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I used to argue that the 360 was, in the long run, the most expensive console. I also used to argue that you might as well get a high powered PC with an HDMI port and a few 360 controllers because most of the good games for the 360 come out on the PC, which can run them faster and better.



But alas, I give in, everyone here has convinced me.


The PC is just too expensive. I mean it must cost $400 for a video card that can even remotely do what the 360 can do.

The PS3 is just a glorified Bluray player with no games and Sony is dying financially so there's no point on investing any money into the system. And those exclusives that aren't likely going to be on the PC? Not even close to being worth it.

And the Wii is just for children and casual players who don't know what real games are. There aren't any games that an adult can like. And there certainly isn't any nostalgic value from the virtual console - those games are just too dated to be fun anymore.


I give up. The 360 wins this generation.

Xbox Live is the best online gaming service out there. The best games all come out on the 360. It has the best controller. And it's not slowing down at all.

mstc_Q