I have this sinking feeling that Halo 3 will flop

I'm thinking the same, the official hype thread will most likely be AAA, and from what i've seen, not much has changed.

It could get TPed, get something in the region of 8.8. 

I partly agree with the TC, but not all the way.

Halo 3's single player will be terrible and the online will be "awsome" (they have only played halo so they think halo is the best game)

But I think Halo 4 or 5 is going to flop.

I'm not hearing too much about it that warrants much excitement. I mean, with GTA IV, I was just excited to have such a heavily detailed city. I can work with that. But for Halo 3.....I'm not sure exactly what I should be excited for, other than the end of the story. And even THAT is not guaranteed. All we've seen are multiplayer videos, but the multiplayer looks exactly the same with some added graphical polish. It's not remarkably different like Gears' multiplayer was. It just looks like the same vanilla multiplayer Halo has always had. Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.mjarantilla

Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.mjarantilla

Let's see... Bungie Studios has a much larger and very experienced crew working on Halo 3 in a new, bigger office. They know what they did wrong with Halo 2, and they are not being rushed this time around. Think what you like but when Bungie calls Halo 3 their 'Return of the King', I believe them.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"] Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.JPOBS

I'm not hearing too much about it that warrants much excitement. I mean, with GTA IV, I was just excited to have such a heavily detailed city. I can work with that. But for Halo 3.....I'm not sure exactly what I should be excited for, other than the end of the story. And even THAT is not guaranteed. All we've seen are multiplayer videos, but the multiplayer looks exactly the same with some added graphical polish. It's not remarkably different like Gears' multiplayer was. It just looks like the same vanilla multiplayer Halo has always had. Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.mjarantilla

What are you expecting from Halo 3?  You know how Halo 1 was, you know how Halo 2 is.  So why would there been any difference from Halo 3.  I don't understand what people are expecting.  Gears of war is a great game but do you think Gears 2 will be any different.  (By the way, every game website is pretty much saying the same thing, Halo plays like Halo; Any we should't be upset with that.

Its HALO. It has a anti-flop deviceDrCoCoPiMp

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"] Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.mjarantilla

im more optimistic for the very same reason.  

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My head is about to explode. I'll start with an about me. I'm 16 and I live in Austi, Texas. I love video games. I love halo. I am a lemming.

 Now, to get to the point. Your logic isn't making sense to me. Other then Halo, I haven't really ever played a series game. However I'll take God of War for example. God of War 2 was very much like God of War. I'll take SSB now. SSB is an awesome game series. And with every new one they are essentially the same, yet have improved on one another to make a better game. Halo and Halo 2. While there are some large differences, they are still VERY similar. Some would argue, but Halo 2 is an improvment on Halo. It's called a god damn sequel my friends. Halo 3 isn't met to be an RTS, or turn into a 3rd person shooter, or become a RPG. No, Halo 3 is supposed to be HALO. This **** is tiring. Maybe it's because i'm in systems wars.. and there is no logic here.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I'm not hearing too much about it that warrants much excitement. I mean, with GTA IV, I was just excited to have such a heavily detailed city. I can work with that. But for Halo 3.....I'm not sure exactly what I should be excited for, other than the end of the story. And even THAT is not guaranteed. All we've seen are multiplayer videos, but the multiplayer looks exactly the same with some added graphical polish. It's not remarkably different like Gears' multiplayer was. It just looks like the same vanilla multiplayer Halo has always had. Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.kenmid

What are you expecting from Halo 3? You know how Halo 1 was, you know how Halo 2 is. So why would there been any difference from Halo 3. I don't understand what people are expecting. Gears of war is a great game but do you think Gears 2 will be any different. (By the way, every game website is pretty much saying the same thing, Halo plays like Halo; Any we should't be upset with that.

I partly agree with the TC, but not all the way.

Halo 3's single player will be terrible and the online will be "awsome" (they have only played halo so they think halo is the best game)

But I think Halo 4 or 5 is going to flop.

Callofdutynoob

 :...:lol:...:| leave now. seriously. Wow.

What I'm worried about isn't that they know what they did wrong with Halo 2. I'm worried that they don't know what they should do that's NEW for Halo 3. I don't care if they fix the problems Halo 2 had. That would only make Halo 3 into exactly what cows have been saying: Halo 2.5. They need new gameplay. Halo 2 offered online gameplay, slightly refined single player gameplay, and a better campaign, yet it still scored lower than Halo.mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"] Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.JPOBS

im more optimistic for the very same reason.

I will never come to this site if it gets under 8. Otherwise, I'm satisfied with whatever rating it gets.BigDaddyPOLO

:lol: I love posts like this! 

Taking game review scores so seriously...especially when it comes to the mighty Halo 3!

Let's see... Bungie Studios has a much larger and very experienced crew working on Halo 3 in a new, bigger office. They know what they did wrong with Halo 2, and they are not being rushed this time around. Think what you like but when Bungie calls Halo 3 their 'Return of the King', I believe them.Stevo_the_gamer

What incentive exacly does Bungie have to make Halo 3 any better than Halo 2 when Halo 2 was the #1 seller on Xbox?  NONE!

I've already seen enough from the beta videos to say this game will be a huge success.

 

 

agreed.

 

They have added a lot.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]What I'm worried about isn't that they know what they did wrong with Halo 2. I'm worried that they don't know what they should do that's NEW for Halo 3. I don't care if they fix the problems Halo 2 had. That would only make Halo 3 into exactly what cows have been saying: Halo 2.5. They need new gameplay. Halo 2 offered online gameplay, slightly refined single player gameplay, and a better campaign, yet it still scored lower than Halo.Stevo_the_gamer

why do people assume that the sequel to a great franchise always has to be a revlutionary and ground breaking as the first?

 If halo had sucked, no one would care if halo 2 or 3 didnt.

because halo was one of the best games of last gen, people compare its successors to its success.

Its foolish to assume that halo 2 or 3 could be as ground breaking as halo 1. If it aint broke dont fix it. Keep the same formula and make a great game.

People like you who expect each entry in the series to be as revolutionary as the first are delusional.  

[QUOTE="kenmid"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I'm not hearing too much about it that warrants much excitement. I mean, with GTA IV, I was just excited to have such a heavily detailed city. I can work with that. But for Halo 3.....I'm not sure exactly what I should be excited for, other than the end of the story. And even THAT is not guaranteed. All we've seen are multiplayer videos, but the multiplayer looks exactly the same with some added graphical polish. It's not remarkably different like Gears' multiplayer was. It just looks like the same vanilla multiplayer Halo has always had. Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.mjarantilla

What are you expecting from Halo 3? You know how Halo 1 was, you know how Halo 2 is. So why would there been any difference from Halo 3. I don't understand what people are expecting. Gears of war is a great game but do you think Gears 2 will be any different. (By the way, every game website is pretty much saying the same thing, Halo plays like Halo; Any we should't be upset with that.

Equipment, huge graphical improvements, physic changes, 3rd-person power weapons, better online, new game types, new customization options, new vehicles, vastly improved and changed weapons, new weapons, new grenades, hell it's beta and bungie has even stated there are something you won't see now but will be there when the game is released.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="kenmid"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I'm not hearing too much about it that warrants much excitement. I mean, with GTA IV, I was just excited to have such a heavily detailed city. I can work with that. But for Halo 3.....I'm not sure exactly what I should be excited for, other than the end of the story. And even THAT is not guaranteed. All we've seen are multiplayer videos, but the multiplayer looks exactly the same with some added graphical polish. It's not remarkably different like Gears' multiplayer was. It just looks like the same vanilla multiplayer Halo has always had. Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.nowakawon

What are you expecting from Halo 3? You know how Halo 1 was, you know how Halo 2 is. So why would there been any difference from Halo 3. I don't understand what people are expecting. Gears of war is a great game but do you think Gears 2 will be any different. (By the way, every game website is pretty much saying the same thing, Halo plays like Halo; Any we should't be upset with that.

Equipment, huge graphical improvements, physic changes, 3rd-person power weapons, better online, new game types, new customization options, new vehicles, vastly improved and changed weapons, new weapons, new grenades, hell it's beta and bungie has even stated there are something you won't see now but will be there when the game is released.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Let's see... Bungie Studios has a much larger and very experienced crew working on Halo 3 in a new, bigger office. They know what they did wrong with Halo 2, and they are not being rushed this time around. Think what you like but when Bungie calls Halo 3 their 'Return of the King', I believe them.AvIdGaMeR444

What incentive exacly does Bungie have to make Halo 3 any better than Halo 2 when Halo 2 was the #1 seller on Xbox?  NONE!

You have very bad logic.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"] Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.mjarantilla

im more optimistic for the very same reason.

My head is about to explode. I'll start with an about me. I'm 16 and I live in Austi, Texas. I love video games. I love halo. I am a lemming.

Now, to get to the point. Your logic isn't making sense to me. Other then Halo, I haven't really ever played a series game. However I'll take God of War for example. God of War 2 was very much like God of War. I'll take SSB now. SSB is an awesome game series. And with every new one they are essentially the same, yet have improved on one another to make a better game. Halo and Halo 2. While there are some large differences, they are still VERY similar. Some would argue, but Halo 2 is an improvment on Halo. It's called a god damn sequel my friends. Halo 3 isn't met to be an RTS, or turn into a 3rd person shooter, or become a RPG. No, Halo 3 is supposed to be HALO. This **** is tiring. Maybe it's because i'm in systems wars.. and there is no logic here.

nowakawon

great post. That's a really good way to sum everything up really.

agreed 100% 

why do people assume that the sequel to a great franchise always has to be a revlutionary and ground breaking as the first?

If halo had sucked, no one would care if halo 2 or 3 didnt.

because halo was one of the best games of last gen, people compare its successors to its success.

Its foolish to assume that halo 2 or 3 could be as ground breaking as halo 1. If it aint broke dont fix it. Keep the same formula and make a great game.

People like you who expect each entry in the series to be as revolutionary as the first are delusional.

JPOBS

[QUOTE="nowakawon"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="kenmid"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I'm not hearing too much about it that warrants much excitement. I mean, with GTA IV, I was just excited to have such a heavily detailed city. I can work with that. But for Halo 3.....I'm not sure exactly what I should be excited for, other than the end of the story. And even THAT is not guaranteed. All we've seen are multiplayer videos, but the multiplayer looks exactly the same with some added graphical polish. It's not remarkably different like Gears' multiplayer was. It just looks like the same vanilla multiplayer Halo has always had. Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.mjarantilla

What are you expecting from Halo 3? You know how Halo 1 was, you know how Halo 2 is. So why would there been any difference from Halo 3. I don't understand what people are expecting. Gears of war is a great game but do you think Gears 2 will be any different. (By the way, every game website is pretty much saying the same thing, Halo plays like Halo; Any we should't be upset with that.

Equipment, huge graphical improvements, physic changes, 3rd-person power weapons, better online, new game types, new customization options, new vehicles, vastly improved and changed weapons, new weapons, new grenades, hell it's beta and bungie has even stated there are something you won't see now but will be there when the game is released.

I've forgotten what they are actually called but the turret and missle launcher.

[QUOTE="nowakawon"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="kenmid"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I'm not hearing too much about it that warrants much excitement. I mean, with GTA IV, I was just excited to have such a heavily detailed city. I can work with that. But for Halo 3.....I'm not sure exactly what I should be excited for, other than the end of the story. And even THAT is not guaranteed. All we've seen are multiplayer videos, but the multiplayer looks exactly the same with some added graphical polish. It's not remarkably different like Gears' multiplayer was. It just looks like the same vanilla multiplayer Halo has always had. Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.mjarantilla

What are you expecting from Halo 3? You know how Halo 1 was, you know how Halo 2 is. So why would there been any difference from Halo 3. I don't understand what people are expecting. Gears of war is a great game but do you think Gears 2 will be any different. (By the way, every game website is pretty much saying the same thing, Halo plays like Halo; Any we should't be upset with that.

Equipment, huge graphical improvements, physic changes, 3rd-person power weapons, better online, new game types, new customization options, new vehicles, vastly improved and changed weapons, new weapons, new grenades, hell it's beta and bungie has even stated there are something you won't see now but will be there when the game is released.

when you pick up a turret it goes to 3rd person and you can shoot it.

there is a lot of new stuff in it. You're still basing your opinion over a very small portion of knowledge and of content that you have seen. 

[QUOTE="nowakawon"]

My head is about to explode. I'll start with an about me. I'm 16 and I live in Austi, Texas. I love video games. I love halo. I am a lemming.

Now, to get to the point. Your logic isn't making sense to me. Other then Halo, I haven't really ever played a series game. However I'll take God of War for example. God of War 2 was very much like God of War. I'll take SSB now. SSB is an awesome game series. And with every new one they are essentially the same, yet have improved on one another to make a better game. Halo and Halo 2. While there are some large differences, they are still VERY similar. Some would argue, but Halo 2 is an improvment on Halo. It's called a god damn sequel my friends. Halo 3 isn't met to be an RTS, or turn into a 3rd person shooter, or become a RPG. No, Halo 3 is supposed to be HALO. This **** is tiring. Maybe it's because i'm in systems wars.. and there is no logic here.

KAS3Y_JAM3Z

great post. That's a really good way to sum everything up really.

agreed 100%

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

why do people assume that the sequel to a great franchise always has to be a revlutionary and ground breaking as the first?

If halo had sucked, no one would care if halo 2 or 3 didnt.

because halo was one of the best games of last gen, people compare its successors to its success.

Its foolish to assume that halo 2 or 3 could be as ground breaking as halo 1. If it aint broke dont fix it. Keep the same formula and make a great game.

People like you who expect each entry in the series to be as revolutionary as the first are delusional.

mjarantilla

Was equipment in halo 2? no. which makes halo 3...common lemme hear it... DIFFERENT.

equipment alone changes gameplay in MP.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

why do people assume that the sequel to a great franchise always has to be a revlutionary and ground breaking as the first?

If halo had sucked, no one would care if halo 2 or 3 didnt.

because halo was one of the best games of last gen, people compare its successors to its success.

Its foolish to assume that halo 2 or 3 could be as ground breaking as halo 1. If it aint broke dont fix it. Keep the same formula and make a great game.

People like you who expect each entry in the series to be as revolutionary as the first are delusional.

mjarantilla

you expect to much.  

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="nowakawon"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="kenmid"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I'm not hearing too much about it that warrants much excitement. I mean, with GTA IV, I was just excited to have such a heavily detailed city. I can work with that. But for Halo 3.....I'm not sure exactly what I should be excited for, other than the end of the story. And even THAT is not guaranteed. All we've seen are multiplayer videos, but the multiplayer looks exactly the same with some added graphical polish. It's not remarkably different like Gears' multiplayer was. It just looks like the same vanilla multiplayer Halo has always had. Unless they start announcing some campaign details soon, I think Halo 3 might get a score as low as an 8.6 or 8.8.KAS3Y_JAM3Z

What are you expecting from Halo 3? You know how Halo 1 was, you know how Halo 2 is. So why would there been any difference from Halo 3. I don't understand what people are expecting. Gears of war is a great game but do you think Gears 2 will be any different. (By the way, every game website is pretty much saying the same thing, Halo plays like Halo; Any we should't be upset with that.

Equipment, huge graphical improvements, physic changes, 3rd-person power weapons, better online, new game types, new customization options, new vehicles, vastly improved and changed weapons, new weapons, new grenades, hell it's beta and bungie has even stated there are something you won't see now but will be there when the game is released.

when you pick up a turret it goes to 3rd person and you can shoot it.

there is a lot of new stuff in it. You're still basing your opinion over a very small portion of knowledge and of content that you have seen. 

Exactly.

Mjaran you're arguing a point of which you don't have nearly enough information to make it valid.

i don't think it will flop.

] [QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="nowakawon"]

My head is about to explode. I'll start with an about me. I'm 16 and I live in Austi, Texas. I love video games. I love halo. I am a lemming.

Now, to get to the point. Your logic isn't making sense to me. Other then Halo, I haven't really ever played a series game. However I'll take God of War for example. God of War 2 was very much like God of War. I'll take SSB now. SSB is an awesome game series. And with every new one they are essentially the same, yet have improved on one another to make a better game. Halo and Halo 2. While there are some large differences, they are still VERY similar. Some would argue, but Halo 2 is an improvment on Halo. It's called a god damn sequel my friends. Halo 3 isn't met to be an RTS, or turn into a 3rd person shooter, or become a RPG. No, Halo 3 is supposed to be HALO. This **** is tiring. Maybe it's because i'm in systems wars.. and there is no logic here.

mjarantilla

great post. That's a really good way to sum everything up really.

agreed 100%

It's opinion really. So no, you fail. 

The games he used were good games, and their sequels were also good, because they didn't stray too far from their original gameplay. Halo 3 isn't any different.

Get over ittt 

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

why do people assume that the sequel to a great franchise always has to be a revlutionary and ground breaking as the first?

If halo had sucked, no one would care if halo 2 or 3 didnt.

because halo was one of the best games of last gen, people compare its successors to its success.

Its foolish to assume that halo 2 or 3 could be as ground breaking as halo 1. If it aint broke dont fix it. Keep the same formula and make a great game.

People like you who expect each entry in the series to be as revolutionary as the first are delusional.

JPOBS

you expect to much.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]] [QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="nowakawon"]

My head is about to explode. I'll start with an about me. I'm 16 and I live in Austi, Texas. I love video games. I love halo. I am a lemming.

Now, to get to the point. Your logic isn't making sense to me. Other then Halo, I haven't really ever played a series game. However I'll take God of War for example. God of War 2 was very much like God of War. I'll take SSB now. SSB is an awesome game series. And with every new one they are essentially the same, yet have improved on one another to make a better game. Halo and Halo 2. While there are some large differences, they are still VERY similar. Some would argue, but Halo 2 is an improvment on Halo. It's called a god damn sequel my friends. Halo 3 isn't met to be an RTS, or turn into a 3rd person shooter, or become a RPG. No, Halo 3 is supposed to be HALO. This **** is tiring. Maybe it's because i'm in systems wars.. and there is no logic here.

KAS3Y_JAM3Z

great post. That's a really good way to sum everything up really.

agreed 100%

It's opinion really. So no, you fail.

The games he used were good games, and their sequels were also good, because they didn't stray too far from their original gameplay. Halo 3 isn't any different.

Get over ittt

Don't Drown! Halo 3 will be a success maybe a 9.5 or so. My prediction No Lower than Halo 2 (9.4) and no higher than Halo CE (9.7) so 9.6 or 9.5.

I already addressed equipment. Yet, did dual wielding improve Halo 2 THAT much for the better? And no, Halo 2's campaign kicked Halo 1's campaign from Earth to the Moon to Reach and back. Halo 1's campaign was horribly, HORRIBLY repetitive. Halo 2 actually had amazing setpieces, and a far deeper, richer, and more complex storyline, even if the majority of the neanderthal-minded hulks who seem to make up the majority of Halo 2's online playerbase can't appreciate it.mjarantilla

For Halo 3, I guess on Wednesday I'll comment on how much the equipment will change how the game is played, but from the looks of it - it brings a great new addition to the gameplay.

Halo: Combat Evolved's campaign was just pure non-stop fun, and then the twist with the flood which brought even more fun to the game. Yes, you can call it repetetive, but the story demanded it. Halo 2's campaign just wasn't what we all wanted it to be hence why it wasn't as good as Halo's since Halo casted a fairly large shadow.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

why do people assume that the sequel to a great franchise always has to be a revlutionary and ground breaking as the first?

If halo had sucked, no one would care if halo 2 or 3 didnt.

because halo was one of the best games of last gen, people compare its successors to its success.

Its foolish to assume that halo 2 or 3 could be as ground breaking as halo 1. If it aint broke dont fix it. Keep the same formula and make a great game.

People like you who expect each entry in the series to be as revolutionary as the first are delusional.

mjarantilla

you expect to much.

It's been said before and I'll say it again. You're basing that off limited knowledge. Hell you had no idea about the 3rd person view with the missle launcher and turrets.