I really doubt that Halo 3: Recon is an expansion

I really doubt that Halo 3: Recon is just an expansion, at least in the traditional sense. I'm going to take this info from observations and xbox.com.

A good idea of a good expansion for those of you who dont play pc games much is something like Graw 1 to Graw 2.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2008/1008-reconpreview.htm

Anyway, that's observations, and those could in reality be challenged, even though I wasn't crunching the details there. Anyway, here's some quotes off the game detail page- the clear facts, not the "oh, it might mean this or that" details

"The stand-alone expansion, set to release in fall 2009"

Okay, so it's stand alone already. Not DLC. Yes, it says expansion, but that means nothing in reality. An alternate perspective builds upon the opposite story, expanding it. However, this is not a typical expansion. Did crysis do this for its expansion? Why yes, but it was pretty much the exact same game at its core. It didn't have any intention to act like a different game, it was basically more levels and some refinements to the game

"Halo 3: Recon will require you to employ more elements of stealth and cunning than ever before"

new gameplay. so this is going to be in the same game as halo 3, despite having a different gameplay setup? :idea:

and also, in Halo 3 they mentioned this event. Keyes communicated to him while you were in Tsavo Highway. At the time you thought it was a random, kind of weird, saying to the other marines, but it makes total sense now. This shows that the game was already thought of while Halo 3 was being made. If you read the bungie updates, youll have seen that this game has been in development since alongside Halo 3 (although i cant give you a link- but if you read them all, lol, youd find it)

Just ask yourself this: Would a standalone expansion with entirely new gameplay and new multiplayer really be considered an expansion, no matter how you look at it?

Just ask yourself this: Would a standalone expansion with entirely new gameplay and new multiplayer really be considered an expansion, no matter how you look at it?

i_like__boobs

yes it would. you're just trying to get this "counted" as a game while still being able to discredit PC expansion packs.

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Just ask yourself this: Would a standalone expansion with entirely new gameplay and new multiplayer really be considered an expansion, no matter how you look at it?

Hewkii

yes it would. you're just trying to get this "counted" as a game while still being able to discredit PC expansion packs.

how? Answer it- how is a standalone "expansion" with new gameplay not a new game?

how? Answer it- how is a standalone "expansion" with new gameplay not a new game?

i_like__boobs

We dont know it has new gameplay. :?

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how? Answer it- how is a standalone "expansion" with new gameplay not a new game?

Ninja-Hippo

We dont know it has new gameplay. :?

from the xbox.com page

"Experience the fate of Earth from the brand-new perspective of a special forces ODST (Orbital Drop Shock Trooper), adding a unique outlook and new gameplay elements to the events that unfold in the trilogy's finale. While the feel of this new chapter greatly resembles that of previous Halo experiences, Halo 3: Recon will require you to employ more elements of stealth and cunning than ever before."

Seriously, you're an ODST, obviously you're not going to fight the same way as a spartan would

its another $60 for MS and Bungienaruto7777

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

[QUOTE="naruto7777"]its another $60 for MS and Bungiei_like__boobs

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

because its an add-on and not a full game. It even has Halo 3 in its name.

and so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer....so do most expansion packs....

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[QUOTE="naruto7777"]its another $60 for MS and Bungiecobrax75

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

because its an add-on and not a full game. It even has Halo 3 in its name.

and so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer....so do most expansion packs....

Not really?
What expansions have new gameplay? Care to explain?

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[QUOTE="naruto7777"]its another $60 for MS and Bungiei_like__boobs

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

because its an add-on and not a full game. It even has Halo 3 in its name.

and so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer....so do most expansion packs....

Not really?
What expansions have new gameplay? Care to explain?

COH: Opposing fronts...Crysis: Warhead....Warcraft 3: Frozen thrones....etc.

most expansions feature new gameplay.

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how? Answer it- how is a standalone "expansion" with new gameplay not a new game?

i_like__boobs

We dont know it has new gameplay. :?

from the xbox.com page

"Experience the fate of Earth from the brand-new perspective of a special forces ODST (Orbital Drop Shock Trooper), adding a unique outlook and new gameplay elements to the events that unfold in the trilogy's finale. While the feel of this new chapter greatly resembles that of previous Halo experiences, Halo 3: Recon will require you to employ more elements of stealth and cunning than ever before."

Seriously, you're an ODST, obviously you're not going to fight the same way as a spartan would

So? That doesnt mean the gameplay has been overhauled. It could still be a Halo-****FPS. You just need to use more stealth like it says.

I'm fairly sure it doesnt have new multiplayer. I thought it just had new maps.Ninja-Hippo

So? That doesnt mean the gameplay has been overhauled. It could still be a Halo-****FPS. You just need to use more stealth like it says.

Ninja-Hippo

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[QUOTE="naruto7777"]its another $60 for MS and Bungiecobrax75

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

because its an add-on and not a full game. It even has Halo 3 in its name.

and so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer....so do most expansion packs....

Not really?
What expansions have new gameplay? Care to explain?

COH: Opposing fronts...Crysis: Warhead....Warcraft 3: Frozen thrones....etc.

most expansions feature new gameplay.

not, really. they introduce a couple of new things and refinements, but thats it.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I'm fairly sure it doesnt have new multiplayer. I thought it just had new maps.too_much_eslim

How do you know any of that? So far all i've read is that it has a new campaign, new multiplayer MAPS and new forge items.

not, really. they introduce a couple of new things and refinements, but thats it.

i_like__boobs

Completely untrue. They all introduce whole new campaigns, just like this does. Crysis for example was very open with emphasis on exploring and uncovering what was happening on the island. With Crysis:Warhead it was much more linear and action-packed, and you played as a different guy who was much more hands-on and wreckless.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I'm fairly sure it doesnt have new multiplayer. I thought it just had new maps.Ninja-Hippo

How do you know any of that? So far all i've read is that it has a new campaign, new multiplayer MAPS and new forge items.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

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[QUOTE="naruto7777"]its another $60 for MS and Bungiei_like__boobs

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

because its an add-on and not a full game. It even has Halo 3 in its name.

and so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer....so do most expansion packs....

Not really?
What expansions have new gameplay? Care to explain?

COH: Opposing fronts...Crysis: Warhead....Warcraft 3: Frozen thrones....etc.

most expansions feature new gameplay.

not, really. they introduce a couple of new things and refinements, but thats it.

Yes, really.

COH: Opposing Fronts had nearly as much content as the original game, with 2 new races that played radiclly different than the first, Crysis: Warhead had multiplayer re-built from the ground up, and a action packed campaign (as apposed to the more stealth based gameplay of Crysis)...and Frozen Thrones featured a pretty massive amount of content.

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[QUOTE="naruto7777"]its another $60 for MS and Bungiecobrax75

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

You understand your proving my point, right?

Im not saying they cant have a lot of content and new features, im saying they dont have new gameplay.

Halo 3: Recon is suppose to have completely new gameplay, meaning different ****, not just new levels.

Here's basically what Im tyring to say:

COH:

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ47-ZvSm8c

COH Expansion

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=RtuM5UsEO4I

Halo 3 E3 trailer

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=DLFDzC_ok8c

Halo 3: Recon Trailer

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_VGHAgsRs

Get it? It's completely different but in the same universe. Those games you said have some new stuff, but you wouldnt have been suprised to find those parts in the core game originally

because its an add-on and not a full game. It even has Halo 3 in its name.

and so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer....so do most expansion packs....

Not really?
What expansions have new gameplay? Care to explain?

COH: Opposing fronts...Crysis: Warhead....Warcraft 3: Frozen thrones....etc.

most expansions feature new gameplay.

not, really. they introduce a couple of new things and refinements, but thats it.

Yes, really.

COH: Opposing Fronts had nearly as much content as the original game, with 2 new races that played radiclly different than the first, Crysis: Warhead had multiplayer re-built from the ground up, and a action packed campaign (as apposed to the more stealth based gameplay of Crysis)...and Frozen Thrones featured a pretty massive amount of content.

first of all...Posting a CGI trailer doesnt prove your point at all...

second...you have clearly never played COH or the expanion, because the expansion's gameplay is different than the original.

Just like nearly every other expansion pack out their.

Xbox.com even calls it an expansion.

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[QUOTE="naruto7777"]its another $60 for MS and Bungiecobrax75

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

because its an add-on and not a full game. It even has Halo 3 in its name.

and so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer....so do most expansion packs....

Not really?
What expansions have new gameplay? Care to explain?

COH: Opposing fronts...Crysis: Warhead....Warcraft 3: Frozen thrones....etc.

most expansions feature new gameplay.

I lol'd.

Warcraft 3 has the same core gameplay as its expansion.

Halo 3: Recon will not

Meh, doesn't really matter. I still see this as a new full game. It'll have it's own campaign, it'll have the same features in the MP that are in Halo 3, they'll implement forge+new items, new MP maps.

Sounds like a full game to me. Yes, it's an expansion to Halo 3. But that still doesn't mean it's not a full game in it's own right.

Not really?
What expansions have new gameplay? Care to explain?

i_like__boobs

Dude, it's an expansion. Whyo cares.

"Yes, it says expansion, but that means nothing in reality."

What reality are you living in? The publisher is saying it's an expansion. Why are you even arguing this? Makes no sense. I mean...what, why would it matter? Just... :?

It's a totally new game, new hero, new campaign, new multiplayer, its just an expansion of the Halo universe.

Its multiplayer is Halo 3 mp

Halo 3:Recon

Will have a new campaign experience(with what is rumored to be different gameplay)

and its MP- will be the Mythic Map pack. It will be a brand spanking new campaing, packed in with new maps for the original Halo 3 multiplayer

EXPANSION....ala Crysis Warhead. New Campaign experience(that plays the same) but adds a new Multiplayer(that is different)

Both standalone

Both expansion or expansion like.

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Not really?
What expansions have new gameplay? Care to explain?

DucksBrains

Complete ownage.

confirmed as an expansion.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/10/tgs-08-bungie-details-halo-3-recon/

turns out the gameplay isnt all that different either.

confirmed as an expansion.

Link

turns out the gameplay isnt all that different either.

cobrax75

Well if this is true, I'll pass.

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[QUOTE="naruto7777"]its another $60 for MS and Bungiecobrax75

Sure, why not? Im still playing Halo 3.

the fact that it still even has Halo 3 in its name pretty much proves its a full expansion.cobrax75

Not really. That proves nothing in reality.

The main point im saying: It has new gameplay and feel overall apparently, and is seperate. How is that an expansion in any shape?

I see this as a way to bash this game, and I dont understand.

.... funny thing is that the same people say expansions count just as much as regular games

because its an add-on and not a full game. It even has Halo 3 in its name.

and so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer....so do most expansion packs....

It is not an add-on. It is an expansion, there is a difference. But it is not an expansion in the form of PC. It is still a stand-alone title in it's own right. If it were to score AAA, it would be a new AAAE title, it'd be rediculous for cows to say otherwise, like I'm sure some will say.

And so what if it has new gameplay and multiplayer? Well it is making larger changes than a full-on sequel does. Should be obvious to you if you took off fanboy goggles.

It's a completely different game. The only thing that connects the two is the fact that it takes place during the same time as the original Halo 3.

You can damage control all you want, the fact is we have a new Halo game being developed by Bungie, and that it's a full retail game, not an add-on or anything. Seems like a certain fanboy group is nervous as hell over this game, maybe even scared of it. :D
V_Isle

I remember when the E3 Halo 3 trailer came out they were trying bag it's graphics any way possible!