I think that's why xb360 graphics better than ps3

if you guys really look at the the hardware details.

xb360 GPUC1 from ATI, based on R600, first unified shader gpu.( now nvidia began to use unified shader since geforce 8 )

ps3 gpu rsx from nvidia, based on g70, old g70 architecture. (even nvidia already confirmed rsx is a g70 based gpu )

both gpu is 128 bit in bandwidth ( equal to 7300gt, 2600pro)

but there's another difference, rsx has 256mb VRAM ddr3， C1 use unified DRAM( 512mb ddr3 , depending on developer , they are not confined to 256mb)

and, c1 has another feature, c1 hasextra 10mb edram(used to buffer ,aa), 256gb/second in bandwidth, that's dozens times higher than ddr3.

that's why most multipaltform games have better texture or aa on xb360. cause c1 has more flexible architecture, more dram to use.

many people believe blueray would make ps3 looks better. but besides sony and their emplyees, no third party devs agree.

I gave you a example. on last gen, NGC is more powerful than ps2( anyone disagree?)

ngc has less disc content , ngc use 8cmdisc , while ps2 support dvd9, that's 5 time larger than ngc disc.

but ngc resident evil 4 still got better graphics than ps2 dvd version.

why?? cause ngc has more dram to use, not the disc space.

ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.humber_matus

you fail to convince me , who said uncharted has the best graphics in console?

I can say ps2 GT4,god of war2 has the best graphics among last gen, but I think most people who actually 3 consoles would disagree.:)

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.wiiwillwiiwill

you fail to convince me , who said uncharted has the best graphics in console?

I can say ps2 GT4,god of war2 has the best graphics among last gen, but I think most people who actually 3 consoles would disagree.:)

Uncharted is the currently the best console graphics.

if you guys really look at the the hardware details.

xb360 GPUC1 from ATI, based on R600, first unified shader gpu.( now nvidia began to use unified shader since geforce 8 )

ps3 gpu rsx from nvidia, based on g70, old g70 architecture. (even nvidia already confirmed rsx is a g70 based gpu )

both gpu is 128 bit in bandwidth ( equal to 7300gt, 2600pro)

but there's another difference, rsx has 256mb VRAM ddr3， C1 use unified DRAM( 512mb ddr3 , depending on developer , they are not confined to 256mb)

and, c1 has another feature, c1 hasextra 10mb edram(used to buffer ,aa), 256gb/second in bandwidth, that's dozens times higher than ddr3.

wiiwillwiiwill

There's another thread that's been rolling around System Wars where a gentlemen states that eDRAM is actually a limitation in that there's not enough of it to hold a 720p image....this results in either sub-720p resolutions to take advantage of the framebuffer or tiling which results in a performance hit by adding processing cycles.

I've already illustrated that the RSX is able to override the memory partitions and access the XDR....this memory is higher bandwidth, lower latency, higher clock than the GDDR3 used as VRAM in RSX and unified memory in the XBox 360.

I happen to think that given my current understanding of the memory architectures it's more accurate to refer to the PS3 as a unified memory architecture, as it's referred to in the Sony PDF, and to the Xbox 360 as a shared memory architecture. The reasoning behind this is that the memory in the Xbox 360, to my understanding, cannot be accessed by both the GPU and the CPU concurrently. It must be partitioned, meaning shared, between the GPU and the CPU. If this is not the case, please prove me wrong. I am incredibly eager to learn the details on this.

The Sony PDF made it quite clear that the partition for the GPU and the CPU dedicated memory pools can be overridden and used to share textures to render concurrently with both the CPU and GPU. It is my understanding that the Xbox 360 cannot do this and I am yet to be refuted in this point. Yes, the developer can partition the memory so that there is more VRAM than main RAM, but this to me seems like a negligible benefit and certainly not a PEAK performance gain unless you're totally erasing the peak CPU margin from the equation, in which case you're making a severe sacrifice in favor of making the GPU in the 360 seem more powerful as a result of the shared memory architecture. That's fairly nonsensical. The memory is shared. Whatever is using it uses it while the other processor is left without recompense.

This is why I refer to the PS3 as a unified memory architecture and make this distinction: because the partitions can be overridden.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.wiiwillwiiwill

you fail to convince me , who said uncharted has the best graphics in console?

I can say ps2 GT4,god of war2 has the best graphics among last gen, but I think most people who actually 3 consoles would disagree.:)

You are a JOKE DUDE, no one listened to you in my topic and no one is gonna listen to you now. You have no clue what your talking about and are obviously very biased so that diminishes your credibility even further. You're fanboy, immature 360 lover and the 360's grafx are a joke, 1 year headstart and PS3 already surpassing with Uncharted, UT 3 and GT 5 Prologue...

Also, didn't 1Up recently say that the reason Burnout Paradise looks better on PS3 is as a result of the fact that the textures are compressed so severely on the Xbox 360 version?

I don't know if that makes any sense as I was under the impression that compression didn't affect quality....but perhaps they meant that the textures had been reduced in resolution or quality to fit them on the DVD-9.

[QUOTE="wiiwillwiiwill"]

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.BobHipJames

you fail to convince me , who said uncharted has the best graphics in console?

I can say ps2 GT4,god of war2 has the best graphics among last gen, but I think most people who actually 3 consoles would disagree.:)

Uncharted is the currently the best console graphics.

again, :)

if incharted is a exclusive game, your claim stand nothing.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="wiiwillwiiwill"]

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.wiiwillwiiwill

you fail to convince me , who said uncharted has the best graphics in console?

I can say ps2 GT4,god of war2 has the best graphics among last gen, but I think most people who actually 3 consoles would disagree.:)

Uncharted is the currently the best console graphics.

again, :)

if incharted is a exclusive game, your claim stand nothing.

such a stupid argument

ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.humber_matus

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.L1qu1dSword

NO NO NO. Absolutely not. Nothing that I have ever seen of Gears of War convinces me that it has superior textures to Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

Also, didn't 1Up recently say that the reason Burnout Paradise looks better on PS3 is as a result of the fact that the textures are compressed so severely on the Xbox 360 version?

I don't know if that makes any sense as I was under the impression that compression didn't affect quality....but perhaps they meant that the textures had been reduced in resolution or quality to fit them on the DVD-9.

BobHipJames

don't believe any ps3 game preview, unless burnout paradise looks better than xb360 in review.(that happens many time , like cod4)

any comsole game or pc game texture need compression to fit in DRAM, ps3 is no exception.

You forgot to mention the differences in architecture of both consoles CPU's. PS3's Cell is amazingly efficient at processing vast amounts of data. 360 has a great CPU but it's not nearly as complex or advanced as the Cell's.

Both Consoles have 512MB of RAM, 360's is just easier to access then PS3 since Sony allocated it into two 256MB portions.

The majority already agree that PS3 is the more powerful platorm but the real question is does it have the software to show of

the technology?

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.L1qu1dSword

I thought you were actually intelligent until I saw this, now your just being ignorant and fanboyish, say what you want about the gameplay cause it really comes down to opinion, but if you see gears of war and uncharted side by side theres no denying which one has greater detail and textures

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.BobHipJames

NO NO NO. Absolutely not. Nothing that I have ever seen of Gears of War convinces me that it has superior textures to Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

You must have never played Gears. Uncharted just tries to be Gears a year later and fails. Especially without multiplayer.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.L1qu1dSword

NO NO NO. Absolutely not. Nothing that I have ever seen of Gears of War convinces me that it has superior textures to Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

You must have never played Gears. Uncharted just tries to be Gears a year later and fails. Especially without multiplayer.

Multiplayer=/=textures.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]ye done trying to convince yer self? ... ps3 currently has the best console graphics with uncharted. FACT.BobHipJames

NO NO NO. Absolutely not. Nothing that I have ever seen of Gears of War convinces me that it has superior textures to Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

You must have never played Gears. Uncharted just tries to be Gears a year later and fails. Especially without multiplayer.

Multiplayer=/=textures.

I doubt you have played Gears. How about that level in Gears where all the water is running off the trees in the begining? Nothing I saw in Drakes came anywhere near close to that.

Also I was just reminding you that in addition to the game not looking as good, people will still be playing gears long after people tire of the single player in drakes.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"] Gears seemed to have more detail and textures then Uncharted. Plus it has multiplayer making me wonder why people think Uncharted is all that great a year later.L1qu1dSword

NO NO NO. Absolutely not. Nothing that I have ever seen of Gears of War convinces me that it has superior textures to Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

You must have never played Gears. Uncharted just tries to be Gears a year later and fails. Especially without multiplayer.

Multiplayer=/=textures.

I doubt you have played Gears. How about that level in Gears where all the water is running off the trees in the begining? Nothing I saw in Drakes came anywhere near close to that.

Also I was just reminding you that in addition to the game not looking as good, people will still be playing gears long after people tire of the single player in drakes.

Water=/=Textures.

However, as far as water....Uncharted does have the best I've ever seen. Consistently.

The jet ski levels are particularly amazing. The best part about the water is that you can actually see the shore below the surface the closer to the coastline you get....it's transparent. Not to mention gawjuss.

I don't care if you agree with me, I know it to be quite true.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"] Gears seemed to have more detail and textures then Uncharted. Plus it has multiplayer making me wonder why people think Uncharted is all that great a year later.BobHipJames

NO NO NO. Absolutely not. Nothing that I have ever seen of Gears of War convinces me that it has superior textures to Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

You must have never played Gears. Uncharted just tries to be Gears a year later and fails. Especially without multiplayer.

Multiplayer=/=textures.

I doubt you have played Gears. How about that level in Gears where all the water is running off the trees in the begining? Nothing I saw in Drakes came anywhere near close to that.

Also I was just reminding you that in addition to the game not looking as good, people will still be playing gears long after people tire of the single player in drakes.

Water=/=Textures.

However, as far as water....Uncharted does have the best I've ever seen. Consistently.

The jet ski levels are particularly amazing. The best part about the water is that you can actually see the shore below the surface the closer to the coastline you get....it's transparent. Not to mention gawjuss.

I don't care if you agree with me, I know it to be quite true.

WTF water =/= textures??? LOL!

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"] Gears seemed to have more detail and textures then Uncharted. Plus it has multiplayer making me wonder why people think Uncharted is all that great a year later.L1qu1dSword

NO NO NO. Absolutely not. Nothing that I have ever seen of Gears of War convinces me that it has superior textures to Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

You must have never played Gears. Uncharted just tries to be Gears a year later and fails. Especially without multiplayer.

Multiplayer=/=textures.

I doubt you have played Gears. How about that level in Gears where all the water is running off the trees in the begining? Nothing I saw in Drakes came anywhere near close to that.

Also I was just reminding you that in addition to the game not looking as good, people will still be playing gears long after people tire of the single player in drakes.

Water=/=Textures.

However, as far as water....Uncharted does have the best I've ever seen. Consistently.

The jet ski levels are particularly amazing. The best part about the water is that you can actually see the shore below the surface the closer to the coastline you get....it's transparent. Not to mention gawjuss.

I don't care if you agree with me, I know it to be quite true.

WTF water =/= textures??? LOL!

Liquid Sword continues to be ignorant in his observations. Gears of War is the better game by a long shot. The multiplayer is amazing and the single player campaign is equally jaw dropping it kills Uncharted in game mechanics and will still be played until it's sequel is released. BUT that isn't the point!!

The point is that Uncharted has better graphics period!!. Gear's is still a fantastic looking game but it doesn't have the amount of texture detail nor does it portray water as realistically as Uncharted has.

It is the better game but it isn't the BETTER looking game.

uncharted, a game made for PS3, looks better than anything on console's so no 360 isn't more graphically proficent and yes while 360 GPU is better than RSX that doesn't mean better graphics. Cell does most of the brunt work. the reason RSX is weaker is becuase it doesn't need to be with Cell.Ragashahs

Gears of War looks better then Uncharted.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]uncharted, a game made for PS3, looks better than anything on console's so no 360 isn't more graphically proficent and yes while 360 GPU is better than RSX that doesn't mean better graphics. Cell does most of the brunt work. the reason RSX is weaker is becuase it doesn't need to be with Cell.L1qu1dSword

Gears of War looks better then Uncharted.

Uncharted looks better then Gears of War

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]uncharted, a game made for PS3, looks better than anything on console's so no 360 isn't more graphically proficent and yes while 360 GPU is better than RSX that doesn't mean better graphics. Cell does most of the brunt work. the reason RSX is weaker is becuase it doesn't need to be with Cell.I_Helios_I

Gears of War looks better then Uncharted.

Uncharted looks better then Gears of War

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]uncharted, a game made for PS3, looks better than anything on console's so no 360 isn't more graphically proficent and yes while 360 GPU is better than RSX that doesn't mean better graphics. Cell does most of the brunt work. the reason RSX is weaker is becuase it doesn't need to be with Cell.L1qu1dSword

Gears of War looks better then Uncharted.

still trying to convince yer self?

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"] Gears seemed to have more detail and textures then Uncharted. Plus it has multiplayer making me wonder why people think Uncharted is all that great a year later.I_Helios_I

NO NO NO. Absolutely not. Nothing that I have ever seen of Gears of War convinces me that it has superior textures to Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

You must have never played Gears. Uncharted just tries to be Gears a year later and fails. Especially without multiplayer.

Multiplayer=/=textures.

I doubt you have played Gears. How about that level in Gears where all the water is running off the trees in the begining? Nothing I saw in Drakes came anywhere near close to that.

Also I was just reminding you that in addition to the game not looking as good, people will still be playing gears long after people tire of the single player in drakes.

Water=/=Textures.

However, as far as water....Uncharted does have the best I've ever seen. Consistently.

The jet ski levels are particularly amazing. The best part about the water is that you can actually see the shore below the surface the closer to the coastline you get....it's transparent. Not to mention gawjuss.

I don't care if you agree with me, I know it to be quite true.

WTF water =/= textures??? LOL!

Liquid Sword continues to be ignorant in his observations. Gears of War is the better game by a long shot. The multiplayer is amazing and the single player campaign is equally jaw dropping it kills Uncharted in game mechanics and will still be played until it's sequel is released. BUT that isn't the point!!

The point is that Uncharted has better graphics period!!. Gear's is still a fantastic looking game but it doesn't have the amount of texture detail nor does it portray water as realistically as Uncharted has.

It is the better game but it isn't the BETTER looking game.

Gears does not actually take place in the water. Besides that the Environments and especially character models look way better in Gears.