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#1 ArchaoN
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A few months ago, I created a thread on this forum that stated that I believed that Microsoft was going to launch their next-gen system this fall without us really realizing. My basis for this was that the system would be repackaged in a new case, with different but similarhardware components (just like the Wii was basically just a repackaged GameCube), it woul have a different control scheme, a new way to navigate the dashboard,a new dashboard, a

So what are we getting:

New hardware: New casing, Wi Fi out of the box, and a new cooling system

New controls: Kinect

New dashboard: Voice and motion recognition

New games: Unplayable on the previous version of the system, with a new launch line-up.

What do you all think now? I think we have seen the end of brand new console launches, and from now on, we will continue to see and iPod-like evolution of the consoles as time goes on.

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#2 Skittles_McGee
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As much as I love Wii jokes, there's no way you can reasonably argue the Wii is a repackaged Gamecube. It wouldn't be called "backwards compatibility" if it was the same system.
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#3 akbar13
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Sounds just like the PS3 Slim.

EDIT: So you are telling me that just because you have Natal hooked up that it becomes a different system? Wow... So when Move comes out the PS3 Slim is a new system. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

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#4 Microsoft1234
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I told this forum alot of stuff predicted correctly but i dont like to brag lol.
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#5 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Kinect is a new console. like every other console you need to plug it into the old one to use it, just like the PS3 needs to... oh wait

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#6 Ravensmash
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Erm. It's a PS3 slim but with an Xbox....and a motion peripheral - how does that equate to a next gen system lol
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#7 Microsoft1234
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Erm. It's a PS3 slim but with an Xbox....and a motion peripheral - how does that equate to a next gen system lol

exactly its just a new bundle.
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#8 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Eh... it's the same thing with added compatibility. The closest parelle would be the DS/DSi. The DSi had some power boost and some new media functionality, as well as some games that dont run on the old DS. It's still a DS, still not a new system.
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#9 delta3074
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New games: Unplayable on the previous version of the system, with a new launch line-up.ArchaoN
i hope you are not implying that all future xbox360 games will not be compatible with the current 360 model, cos that would be BS, the games you are talking about are just the natal games, not all games,lol
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#10 Zero_epyon
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Kinetic is a new console. like every other console you need to plug it into the old one to use it, just like the PS3 needs to... oh wait

toast_burner
Well that settles it...:lol:
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As much as I love Wii jokes, there's no way you can reasonably argue the Wii is a repackaged Gamecube. It wouldn't be called "backwards compatibility" if it was the same system.Skittles_McGee

ya but no one can denial the Wii is more powerful than PS3, PC, 360 combined. the wii pretty much rebooted this gen

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#12 Khadaj32
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Unless they actually announce an "Xbox 720" or whateverm, I'm tagging this thread so I can laugh at you later.

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#13 bobberts7
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haha adding something on does not make it new otherwise there would be doezens of new consoles by this desription
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#14 gamer-adam1
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Kinetic is a new console. like every other console you need to plug it into the old one to use it, just like the PS3 needs to... oh wait

Zero_epyon

Well that settles it...:lol:

that doesnt make sense because you need with plug the PS3 camera...which from cows on this site is the same thing as kinetic

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#15 trakem
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A few months ago, I created a thread on this forum that stated that I believed that Microsoft was going to launch their next-gen system this fall without us really realizing. My basis for this was that the system would be repackaged in a new case, with different but similarhardware components (just like the Wii was basically just a repackaged GameCube), it woul have a different control scheme, a new way to navigate the dashboard,a new dashboard, a

So what are we getting:

New hardware: New casing, Wi Fi out of the box, and a new cooling system

New controls: Kinect

New dashboard: Voice and motion recognition

New games: Unplayable on the previous version of the system, with a new launch line-up.

What do you all think now? I think we have seen the end of brand new console launches, and from now on, we will continue to see and iPod-like evolution of the consoles as time goes on.

ArchaoN

Well, a lot of people have suspected for some time that there would be a deal with kinect packaged in with Xbox 360. That being said, I wouldn't call it a new console.

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#16 Khadaj32
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Kinetic is a new console. like every other console you need to plug it into the old one to use it, just like the PS3 needs to... oh wait

gamer-adam1

Well that settles it...:lol:

that doesnt make sense because you need with plug the PS3 camera...which from cows on this site is the same thing as kinetic

Well, to be honest it basically is, but there's a whole other thread for this subject ;)

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#17 Dr_Drooom
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More like a re-designed X360 with a new motion based accessory.

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#18 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Kinetic is a new console. like every other console you need to plug it into the old one to use it, just like the PS3 needs to... oh wait

gamer-adam1

Well that settles it...:lol:

that doesnt make sense because you need with plug the PS3 camera...which from cows on this site is the same thing as kinetic

I don't think you understand what he said. TC is saying that the addition of the camera makes it a new console.
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#19 ArchaoN
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Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want?
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#20 delta3074
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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Well that settles it...:lol:Zero_epyon

that doesnt make sense because you need with plug the PS3 camera...which from cows on this site is the same thing as kinetic

I don't think you understand what he said. TC is saying that the addition of the camera makes it a new console.

by the TC's logic a megadrive was no longer a megadrive once you attached the CD attachment or the lightgun or the steering wheel, oh wow, if i attach a wireless adapter to my 360 it's not a 360 anymore,bummer
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[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want?

I think you're confusing a redesign combined with accessories as the next gen. Would you agree that Sony have already started their next gen?
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Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want? ArchaoN

Can someone please post a Picard facepalm?

Kinect is a peripheral. You can call it whatever you want in your deluded little world, but if you called up MS and asked "Yo, what's Kinect?" they'd reply "It's a peripheral, noob. " and hang up.

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[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want?

i guess the ps2 eyetoy was a console of its own :roll:
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#24 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK *the new games are playing on the old hardware. You just need an extra component* New Controler...CHECK * So the PS3 is actually the PS4 since it went from Sixaxis to DS3? * New Packaging...CHECK *What?* New Hardware...CHECK * Revised not new. * New dashboard...CHECK * Updated not new. Even if it's a new dashboard this is software. Software is not static. * New Marketing Campagne...CHECK * Grasping * What more do you want?

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#25 delta3074
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[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want?

it's not a new console, it's the 360 valhalla, apart from natal it has the same hardware and functionality as the xbox 360,there is no extra RAM and no extra power, it's a unified CPU/GPU configuration with a single heat sink and fan combination for cooling, the only games that will not work on current model 360 are the ones that require Natal,unless you buy Natal standalone for your current model 360,, they are not going to make all future xbox360 games incompatible with current model 360's, to think so is very naive, it's a slimline xbox 360 with a motion controller, nothing more
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#26 Khadaj32
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[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want? Microsoft1234
i guess the ps2 eyetoy was a console of its own :roll:

As was the Gameboy Printer.

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#27 hellhund
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Does that mean the Time Crisis 4 is a new console?

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#28 JordanizPro
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Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want? ArchaoN
Dude this is stupid Kinect isnt Microsoft new system its a add on for the 360.Did you think about how you will need a 360 to play Kinetic?You will have to plug it up to a 360 in order to use it.Now does that sound like a brand new console?I think not

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[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want? Khadaj32

i guess the ps2 eyetoy was a console of its own :roll:

As was the Gameboy Printer.

lol i still remember having that, i was like "wtf is this" and i was 5 at the time and didn't even know what wtf meant.
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#30 ArchaoN
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Ok so it seems the only thing that determines wether or not a console is determined to be "new" or not is a "new" name...Therefore, if MS reveals a new name for the redesigned system, will you all then admit you were wrong? Either way, I assure you, that if I spoke to Steve Balmer and asked him if he considered this a new console launch, he would absolutely say "yes." He said so himself last year. They just don't want it stated publically because then people will say..."Oh, there goes MS again with their short console life spans. LULZ"
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#31 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Kinetic is a new console. like every other console you need to plug it into the old one to use it, just like the PS3 needs to... oh wait

gamer-adam1

Well that settles it...:lol:

that doesnt make sense because you need with plug the PS3 camera...which from cows on this site is the same thing as kinetic

You dont need to plug the ps3 into the ps2 for it to work do you? For it to be a new console and not a peripheral it needs to be independant (other then a tv)
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#32 kaze347
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Its Kinect... not Kinetic.

Oh and guys dont forget about the E-reader for the GBA and the GBA Player for the Gamecube or even the Gameboy Player for the SNES. Those are all new consoles too.

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#33 JordanizPro
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Its Kinect... not Kinetic.

Oh and guys dont forget about the E-reader for the GBA and the GBA Player for the Gamecube or even the Gameboy Player for the SNES. Those are all new consoles too.

kaze347

Oh well whatever its called im not getting it

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#34 gugler990
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Sounds just like the PS3 Slim.

EDIT: So you are telling me that just because you have Natal hooked up that it becomes a different system? Wow... So when Move comes out the PS3 Slim is a new system. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

akbar13

^this

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#35 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="kaze347"]

Its Kinect... not Kinetic.

Oh and guys dont forget about the E-reader for the GBA and the GBA Player for the Gamecube or even the Gameboy Player for the SNES. Those are all new consoles too.

JordanizPro

Oh well whatever its called im not getting it

This. Its also a very stupid name
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[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ok so it seems the only thing that determines wether or not a console is determined to be "new" or not is a "new" name...Therefore, if MS reveals a new name for the redesigned system, will you all then admit you were wrong? Either way, I assure you, that if I spoke to Steve Balmer and asked him if he considered this a new console launch, he would absolutely say "yes." He said so himself last year. They just don't want it stated publically because then people will say..."Oh, there goes MS again with their short console life spans. LULZ"

What determines a new console is a new internal architecture. Example, the original xbox used an nvidia gpu, the 360 uses an ati gpu. Chassis redesigns and peripherals are considered as refreshers, not new consoles. You still need a 360 to use Kinect. The internal hardware of the 360 does not need to be changed to use it.
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[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ok so it seems the only thing that determines wether or not a console is determined to be "new" or not is a "new" name...Therefore, if MS reveals a new name for the redesigned system, will you all then admit you were wrong? Either way, I assure you, that if I spoke to Steve Balmer and asked him if he considered this a new console launch, he would absolutely say "yes." He said so himself last year. They just don't want it stated publically because then people will say..."Oh, there goes MS again with their short console life spans. LULZ"

.... No, it is pretty evident to anyone that this is not the launch of next-gen - it's a redesign JUST LIKE Sony have done throughout previous generations (including name). That is not a 'new' system, it's a redesign. Balmer would say that because MS ARE treating Kinect with the same media exposure/hype as a new gen launch, it refers to the marketing, not the actual system itself. And please don't tell me we're going to get Cows round here saying that MS have 'given up this gen already' and have launched next gen lmao....
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#38 LegatoSkyheart
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Except it's still an Xbox 360.

Was it me or did people claim that the Wii was 4 Gamecubes put together?

That's still a lot of power honestly and only a few games actually show that power.

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[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Ask yourselves, "What constitutes a new console?" New Games (unplayable on the old console)...CHECK New Controler...CHECK New Packaging...CHECK New Hardware...CHECK New dashboard...CHECK New Marketing Campagne...CHECK What more do you want?

... its the same operating system with a feature that will be downloadable onto the older ones. Its just anew bundle with a camera and the games that accompany it. not a new console. new bundle, theres a massive difference,