id Douses Flames Following John Carmack's PS3 Performance Comments

Developer id Software has quickly jumped on the recent console wars flame up that company head John Carmack sparked after telling Edge that the PlayStation 3 version of id's upcoming post-apocalyptic title Rage currently runs at "just 20-30 [frames-per-second]" whereas the Xbox 360 version runs at 60 FPS.

In response, id said, via its Rage-dedicated Twitter account, "We are committed to ensuring that gamers on all platforms have a great Rage experience."

An official response from id on this whole mess was obviously expected, however, it's a bit surprising that the company had to even make it in the first place, considering in the same offending interview with Edge, Carmack said, "We expect [Rage] to be 60 hertz on every supported platform. The work remaining is getting it locked so there's never a dropped frame or a tear, but we're confident that we're going to get that."

Since they'll be licensing this engine, news of lower performances across platforms will only hurt them in the long run. id Knows that, hence the clarification. Also keep in mind that magazines in general like to instigate, making aspects of an interview more significant than when it was said.

I agree... iD hasn't made anything new or revolutionary since, well, hhmmmmm...... Anyway all you need to know is Carmack will do what his new boss tells him to do. You're not one of the "Elite Independant Developers" anymore. Zenimax supports all platforms and now so will you. Welcome to the working world.

So you guys are aware that the 360 version of the game is having it's textures toned down so it can fit on two disks right?mrarmyman48

Between the PS3 version struggling to be optimized and the 360 version being highly compressed because of Microsoft's silly policies, the PC version is going to be the only one left in a unrestricted state.

Actually Carmack does state in the current issue of Game Informer that they can't fit everything on a singleDVD like they can a Blu-ray. He seems to be saying that is a big bottleneck for them right now on the 360 version.

Actually Carmack does state in the current issue of Game Informer that they can't fit everything on a singleDVD like they can a Blu-ray. He seems to be saying that is a big bottleneck for them right now on the 360 version.

anarchist4eva

He has gotz TWO DVDs8)

id to world: don't listen to the guy that make the games, listen to our marketing department who just **** themselves and went into damage control mode because this guy telling people whats going on with the ps3 could make the ps3 version sell less.

It seems people have to tread on eggshells these days when it comes to keeping the fanboys happy.

Who cares either way, ID software hasn't made an amazing game sense the 90's.sSubZerOo

Doom 3 was amazing. :roll:

[QUOTE="anarchist4eva"]

Actually Carmack does state in the current issue of Game Informer that they can't fit everything on a singleDVD like they can a Blu-ray. He seems to be saying that is a big bottleneck for them right now on the 360 version.

Threebabycows

He has gotz TWO DVDs8)

Who cares either way, ID software hasn't made an amazing game sense the 90's.sSubZerOo

The game will still offer the same enjoyable experience across all platforms. The only ones who are really going to care enough about what differences there may be are fanboys who will haunt forums and argue over said petty differences more than they will actually play the game anyway. Sure, one or the other may have slighty better performance. But, the same game will still be able to be enjoyed by all, regardless.

Between the PS3 version struggling to be optimized and the 360 version being highly compressed because of Microsoft's silly policies, the PC version is going to be the only one left in a unrestricted state.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"]So you guys are aware that the 360 version of the game is having it's textures toned down so it can fit on two disks right?kobraka1

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Who cares either way, ID software hasn't made an amazing game sense the 90's.nVidiaGaMer

Doom 3 was amazing. :roll:

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Between the PS3 version struggling to be optimized and the 360 version being highly compressed because of Microsoft's silly policies, the PC version is going to be the only one left in a unrestricted state.

clyde46

The term 'watered down' normally applies to ports. Rage was developed for pc from the start. I doubt it will be watered down. As a matter of fact, when was the last time a game on pc was watered down?

The term 'watered down' normally applies to ports. Rage was developed for pc from the start. I doubt it will be watered down. As a matter of fact, when was the last time a game on pc was watered down?

jhcho2

When have they ever said it was developed for PC though? Everywhere I look refers to console orientation, that's how cross platform development usually works.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Between the PS3 version struggling to be optimized and the 360 version being highly compressed because of Microsoft's silly policies, the PC version is going to be the only one left in a unrestricted state.

jhcho2

The term 'watered down' normally applies to ports. Rage was developed for pc from the start. I doubt it will be watered down. As a matter of fact, when was the last time a game on pc was watered down?

Who cares either way, ID software hasn't made an amazing game sense the 90's.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] It will still be watered down. I expect the PC will be held back.clyde46

The term 'watered down' normally applies to ports. Rage was developed for pc from the start. I doubt it will be watered down. As a matter of fact, when was the last time a game on pc was watered down?

Fallout 3 was not being held back in the very least.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6202552/index.html

PC version ftw! :P

[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="anarchist4eva"]

Actually Carmack does state in the current issue of Game Informer that they can't fit everything on a singleDVD like they can a Blu-ray. He seems to be saying that is a big bottleneck for them right now on the 360 version.

anarchist4eva

He has gotz TWO DVDs8)

So you guys are aware that the 360 version of the game is having it's textures toned down so it can fit on two disks right?mrarmyman48

Who cares either way, ID software hasn't made an amazing game sense the 90's.sSubZerOo

Rage will be frickin' amazing. Anyone who has seen or read the GI cover story knows this.

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"]So you guys are aware that the 360 version of the game is having it's textures toned down so it can fit on two disks right?MortalDecay

not if they are serious about making them equal, even being on one disk they would still have to compress more on the dvd then on blu-ray unless they are making the games size alot less then 9 gigs which by their own words...they are not, its still going to be huge... now there could be a trade off where one looks better while the other runs smoother (both still being very simular to each other)

Actually Carmack does state in the current issue of Game Informer that they can't fit everything on a singleDVD like they can a Blu-ray. He seems to be saying that is a big bottleneck for them right now on the 360 version.

anarchist4eva

Who cares either way, ID software hasn't made an amazing game sense the 90's.sSubZerOo

Doom 3 was amazing, and Rage looks amazing.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"]So you guys are aware that the 360 version of the game is having it's textures toned down so it can fit on two disks right?hyperboy152000

not if they are serious about making them equal, even being on one disk they would still have to compress more on the dvd then on blu-ray unless they are making the games size alot less then 9 gigs which by their own words...they are not, its still going to be huge... now there could be a trade off where one looks better while the other runs smoother (both still being very simular to each other)

Plus, I am sure they're going to compress Rage a bit on the PS3, also...The PS3's memory cannot handle hi res textures. Which is a huge bottleneck...They have all this room on a BR disc to put hi res textures, but they don't have anywhere near the momeory to handles them. :lol:

Who cares either way, ID software hasn't made an amazing game sense the 90's.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Nope, it's not. That was the original idea, but they decided not to. They decided to cut content out of all versions of the game. They decided to make fewer larger areas in the game, rather than several small ones. I am almost willing to bet that the 360 will be the better console version, as always.MortalDecay

not if they are serious about making them equal, even being on one disk they would still have to compress more on the dvd then on blu-ray unless they are making the games size alot less then 9 gigs which by their own words...they are not, its still going to be huge... now there could be a trade off where one looks better while the other runs smoother (both still being very simular to each other)

Plus, I am sure they're going to compress Rage a bit on the PS3, also...The PS3's memory cannot handle hi res textures. Which is a huge bottleneck...They have all this room on a BR disc to put hi res textures, but they don't have anywhere near the momeory to handles them. :lol:

ID has said before that they wanted to put 100's of gb of information into the game, and if the disk cant fit it all on then yes that is a bottleneck and considering most of time devs make you install part of the game onto the hdd is because the hdd is standard and streaming from a hard disk to the cpu will always be faster then any optical disk blu-ray or dvd-9, and the ps3 can handle hi-res textures... there are plenty of games that show this its called deferred rendering.... will there still be a comprimise, yes,... but both systems will have comprimises

People thought doom 3 was amazing? I mean I was very impressed by the game until the flash light mechanics became more of a nuisance instead of offering a cheap scare, luckily mods ftw.

[QUOTE="anarchist4eva"]

Actually Carmack does state in the current issue of Game Informer that they can't fit everything on a singleDVD like they can a Blu-ray. He seems to be saying that is a big bottleneck for them right now on the 360 version.

MortalDecay

People thought doom 3 was amazing? I mean I was very impressed by the game until the flash light mechanics became more of a nuisance instead of offering a cheap scare, luckily mods ftw.

Espada12

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Between the PS3 version struggling to be optimized and the 360 version being highly compressed because of Microsoft's silly policies, the PC version is going to be the only one left in a unrestricted state.

clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Between the PS3 version struggling to be optimized and the 360 version being highly compressed because of Microsoft's silly policies, the PC version is going to be the only one left in a unrestricted state.

mouthforbathory

MS doesn't allow mandatory installs for CD based games.zero_snake99

They were referring to the PC version.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]MS doesn't allow mandatory installs for CD based games.AnnoyedDragon

They were referring to the PC version.

I agree... iD hasn't made anything new or revolutionary since, well, hhmmmmm...... Anyway all you need to know is Carmack will do what his new boss tells him to do. You're not one of the "Elite Independant Developers" anymore. Zenimax supports all platforms and now so will you. Welcome to the working world.

anarchist4eva

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"]So you guys are aware that the 360 version of the game is having it's textures toned down so it can fit on two disks right?MortalDecay

so the xbox360 version will be better because devs took out content

wow we should thank the xbox360 for the loss of content just so the ps3 version doesn't look better

and how will that affect the pc since its it has the most power to handle the game