id: We Had To Cut Rage CONTENT Because of the Xbox 360 Limitations

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#1 M337ING
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During his Austin Game Developers Conference discussion on storytelling and technology, id Software lead designer Tim Willits the developer is cutting back on the amount of content they would have liked to include in their upcoming shooter Rage. The main reason for limiting the game's content is the Xbox 360's limited disc storage, which allows about six to eight GB of data.

"The PC is limitless in the amount of data you can put on it," said Willits. "The PS3 has about 25GB. But the Xbox 360 roughly has 6 to 8 GB of data. We're hoping we can squeeze the game down to two discs for the 360 version."

According to Willits, the game was supposed to feature several wastelands for the player to explore. Because of the limitations of the Xbox 360's media, they had to cut down the wastelands to only two, which are themselves split into multiple instances. These changes have been made across all versions of Rage, not just the 360 port.

"I wouldn't say the overall story was changed in any way in order to fit on the Xbox 360 version," Willits said, "but how the player experiences Rage's story has been altered." Unfortunately, that means the experience has been altered across all platforms. This is one of the first signs we've received of the 360's older DVD media showing its age, but we expect some fans won't be terribly pleased that it's affecting other versions of the game as well.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169963

The 360 is now holding back content that the PC and PS3 versions could have had. Lemmings... thanks a lot. :roll:

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#2 naruto7777
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pc gamers are laughing right now
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#3 Dreams-Visions
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A "new" article on this? the subject has been talked about to death already. nothing new needs to be added.

Use the "Search" button if you want to know what everyone has already said.

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#4 Dreams-Visions
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pc gamers are laughing right nownaruto7777
their copy of Rage has been trimmed too. they don't have anything to laugh about.
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#5 Evolved_One
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This is the part where we all look at the lemmings in disgust.
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#6 M337ING
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A "new" article on this? the subject has been talked about to death already. nothing new needs to be added.

Use the "Search" button if you want to know what everyone has already said.

Dreams-Visions

It is new. They only said that the 360 version was being held back, now they're saying its holding EVERY OTHER PLATFORM BACK.

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#7 Saturos3091
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:(.

Although old, it brings a frown to my face everytime I read it. My hope lies with mods for the PC version.
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#8 Eddie-Vedder
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This is the part where we all look at the lemmings in disgust.Evolved_One

Joins in. *Evil Stare*

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#9 Pinkyimp
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pc gamers are laughing right nownaruto7777

Trust me..

PC gamers always laughed..

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#10 MonkeyStyle5389
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Microsoft should stop messing around and get blu-ray and raise the price of 360's again. This is bad, i'm glad Square-Enix already said they aren't doing this for Final Fantasy XIII. Reasons like this make me wanna buy a PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII over the 360 version. Oh wait I already own a PS3 :lol:
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#11 NoobisMaxcimus
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:lol: It seems like Id is screwing the xbox for the hell of it. I dunno i just thought the topic title was funny.
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#12 carlisledavid79
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Seems a shame. But i've no doubt it's going to be great anyway. Regardless of what platform it's on.
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#13 LOXO7
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Does anyone really believe this? Sounds like an excuse for the devs.
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#14 Giancar
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damn 360 :evil:
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#15 M337ING
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:lol: It seems like Id is screwing the xbox for the hell of it. I dunno i just thought the topic title was funny.NoobisMaxcimus

No, they're screwing ALL PLATFORMS because of the 360's limitations.

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#16 diped
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yes its all the lemmings fault that the 360 uses dvd9! DAMN LEMMINGS! HOW DARE THEY COMMIT SUCH A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
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#17 jdang307
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The 360 is now holding back content that the PC and PS3 versions could have had. Lemmings... thanks a lot. :roll:

M337ING
It isn't the first time. Didn't Rockstar say they had to trim GTA4 down in scale? Esp. since it's a sandbox game?
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#18 -DrRobotnik-
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Good to see the xbox has such power to actually limit games on other platforms.
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#19 NoobisMaxcimus
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Does anyone really believe this? Sounds like an excuse for the devs.LOXO7

Exactly, all this is just BS. I don't feel blu'ray is all that important for games right now. Besides Mgs4, almost all ps3 games have the same amount of content/whatever as 360 games.

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#20 Pinkyimp
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[QUOTE="NoobisMaxcimus"]:lol: It seems like Id is screwing the xbox for the hell of it. I dunno i just thought the topic title was funny.M337ING

No, they're screwing ALL PLATFORMS because of the 360's limitations.

Well thats what you get for being behind the tech curve..

*sign*..hopefully its not THAT much content...rage nonetheless will be a awesome game..but PC is where it will really shine

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#21 ChiSoxBombers
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wow that stinks.

i dont think next gen gamers should be held back on gameplay because of one system's limitations. i dont know how 360 gamers can enjoy upcoming games in the next few years because they gonna have to buy a box set for every one. games are getting denser, so storage capacity is huge. sadly, thats something the 360 is gonna have to struggle with for the rest of this gen.

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Why not just pay the royalty fee and put it on more than 2 discs? Why not scrap the 360 version altogether if its such a hindrance?

Theres options there so the game doesn't need to be cut and yet they are content to do it.
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Does anyone really believe this? Sounds like an excuse for the devs.LOXO7
This is 3rd pary developer there is no reason to lie. This isn't your typical Sony rep saying it can't be done on 360. So YES I do believe him.
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#24 WillieBeamish
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This is how lemmings felt when the PS2 ports were holding back the Xbox..

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#25 Giancar
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To be fair, it is actually id's fault

why don't they just screw the 360 version?

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Make it on more than two disks then.
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i guess blu-ray was needed. devs have been saying things like this since last year. i expect more devs to say as the ps3 progresses. lems really can't argue against this ms f uped.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Does anyone really believe this? Sounds like an excuse for the devs.NoobisMaxcimus

Exactly, all this is just BS. I don't feel blu'ray is all that important for games right now. Besides Mgs4, almost all ps3 games have the same amount of content/whatever as 360 games.

are you serious??? its right in front of your face devs are complaining why would they make this up.

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Make it on more than two disks then.JakeTD21

i believe ms is charging for the third disk

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Why not just pay the royalty fee and put it on more than 2 discs? Why not scrap the 360 version altogether if its such a hindrance?

Theres options there so the game doesn't need to be cut and yet they are content to do it.
Burnsmiesta

Kuz it meanz more moneyz 4 iD!!!

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#30 MonkeyStyle5389
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Good to see the xbox has such power to actually limit games on other platforms.-DrRobotnik-
Are you being serious are am I taking this comment to serious? I think you're being sarcastic.
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Games should be made for PC first, then be dumbed-down and watered-down for consoles when ported. Parallel developing is hurting real gaming.
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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Good to see the xbox has such power to actually limit games on other platforms.MonkeyStyle5389
Are you being serious are am I taking this comment to serious? I think you're being sarcastic.

Im being completey series.

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[QUOTE="Burnsmiesta"]Why not just pay the royalty fee and put it on more than 2 discs? Why not scrap the 360 version altogether if its such a hindrance?

Theres options there so the game doesn't need to be cut and yet they are content to do it.
-DrRobotnik-

Kuz it meanz more moneyz 4 iD!!!



Sure MS pays for development on the 360. They could use that money to pay the royalty fees! :roll:
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[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]Make it on more than two disks then.sireclaborn

i believe ms is charging for the third disk

Pay for it? Other games did, id is a huge company I'm sure they can afford it.

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#35 sargentbotk
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Wow...I thought they'd do this to the 360 version, but now it's affecting all the versions? That's BS. :x

Oh well...:( Damn you Microsoft!

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#36 Pinkyimp
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Games should be made for PC first, then be dumbed-down and watered-down for consoles when ported. Parallel developing is hurting real gaming.ReddestSkies

I agree with this..

make them on PC the way there supposed to be then port them and if need be, cut them down to fit on consoles..

doing it the other way around limits it for everyone..

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[QUOTE="MonkeyStyle5389"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Good to see the xbox has such power to actually limit games on other platforms.-DrRobotnik-

Are you being serious are am I taking this comment to serious? I think you're being sarcastic.

Im being completey series.

Damn I can't take you seriesly Who's that in your icon? Looks familiar to me.
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#38 Giancar
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Wow...I thought they'd do this to the 360 version, but now it's affecting all the versions? That's BS. :x

Oh well...:( Damn you Microsoft!

sargentbotk

well I think it is id's fault too

they just had to screw (made the 360 version shorter or something like that) and made the other versions the great ones

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#39 Shawtymann
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The 360 is now holding back content that the PC and PS3 versions could have had. Lemmings... thanks a lot. :roll:

M337ING

i thought that part was funny. how is it lemmings fault.

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#40 MonkeyStyle5389
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So lemme get this straight. Microsoft charge devs if they use an extra disc because their system can't handle it? Or is it vice-versa?
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#41 Pinkyimp
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So lemme get this straight. Microsoft charge devs if they use an extra disc because their system can't handle it? Or is it vice-versa?MonkeyStyle5389

no..i think thats about it..

i know..WTF

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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="MonkeyStyle5389"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Good to see the xbox has such power to actually limit games on other platforms.MonkeyStyle5389

Are you being serious are am I taking this comment to serious? I think you're being sarcastic.

Im being completey series.

Damn I can't take you seriesly Who's that in your icon? Looks familiar to me.

Its Shotgun guy from Versus XIII

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[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]Make it on more than two disks then.JakeTD21

i believe ms is charging for the third disk

Pay for it? Other games did, id is a huge company I'm sure they can afford it.

im pretty sure they can but why pay for something if you don't have to. ms is just being greedy and really ms better stop before devs give ms the finger. it seems as if ms doesn't want devs to use more than two disks well you choose to use dvd so live with it or improve the technology don't make devs pay for your mistake.

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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Does anyone really believe this? Sounds like an excuse for the devs.NoobisMaxcimus

Exactly, all this is just BS. I don't feel blu'ray is all that important for games right now. Besides Mgs4, almost all ps3 games have the same amount of content/whatever as 360 games.

What reason would he have to lie about this? Besides it's not the first time this has happened and I am sure it will not be the last.

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So lemme get this straight. Microsoft charge devs if they use an extra disc because their system can't handle it? Or is it vice-versa?MonkeyStyle5389

No most likely they charge because its harder to package or something. Why would you think the 360 can't handle three disks. Look at Lost Odyssey.

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#46 sargentbotk
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[QUOTE="sargentbotk"]

Wow...I thought they'd do this to the 360 version, but now it's affecting all the versions? That's BS. :x

Oh well...:( Damn you Microsoft!

Giancar

well I think it is id's fault too

they just had to screw (made the 360 version shorter or something like that) and made the other versions the great ones

I have no idea why they didn't just do this to the 360 and not mess up the other platforms. That's what SE is doing...

Don't worry though, I blame them instead for letting this simple problem get to them and mess their own poject up when they could've just cancelled the 360 version. -_-

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#47 Giancar
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[QUOTE="MonkeyStyle5389"]So lemme get this straight. Microsoft charge devs if they use an extra disc because their system can't handle it? Or is it vice-versa?JakeTD21

No most likely they charge because its harder to package or something. Why would you think the 360 can't handle three disks. Look at Lost Odyssey.

well I could be wrong, but isn't LO published by MS?

that way they just absorbed the extra costs

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Xbox 360 is all about about quality > quantity, so we should all be thanking our lucky stars that the Xbox 360 is around.
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[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]

[QUOTE="MonkeyStyle5389"]So lemme get this straight. Microsoft charge devs if they use an extra disc because their system can't handle it? Or is it vice-versa?Giancar

No most likely they charge because its harder to package or something. Why would you think the 360 can't handle three disks. Look at Lost Odyssey.

well I could be wrong, but isn't LO published by MS?

that way they just absorbed the extra costs

Yeah they did. But what I think Monkey was saying that the 360 can't handle 3 disk games, which is obviously false.

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#50 MonkeyStyle5389
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[QUOTE="MonkeyStyle5389"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="MonkeyStyle5389"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Good to see the xbox has such power to actually limit games on other platforms.-DrRobotnik-

Are you being serious are am I taking this comment to serious? I think you're being sarcastic.

Im being completey series.

Damn I can't take you seriesly Who's that in your icon? Looks familiar to me.

Its Shotgun guy from Versus XIII

I knew it. Anybody notice Versus XIII is full of emos and a boy band going on a road trip? Fricking awesome

[QUOTE="MonkeyStyle5389"]So lemme get this straight. Microsoft charge devs if they use an extra disc because their system can't handle it? Or is it vice-versa?JakeTD21

No most likely they charge because its harder to package or something. Why would you think the 360 can't handle three disks. Look at Lost Odyssey.

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]

[QUOTE="MonkeyStyle5389"]So lemme get this straight. Microsoft charge devs if they use an extra disc because their system can't handle it? Or is it vice-versa?Giancar

No most likely they charge because its harder to package or something. Why would you think the 360 can't handle three disks. Look at Lost Odyssey.

well I could be wrong, but isn't LO published by MS?

that way they just absorbed the extra costs

He explained my thoughts for me.