If Halo Reach is as good as advertise wouldn't that mean Halo3 is no more

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#1 too_much_eslim
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Think about it many of us Halo fans really liked Halo 1 single player the most and while Halo 3 multiplayer is more fundamentally sound, many of us enjoyed playing Halo 2 more. So If Halo Reach is a combination of all the best parts of the trilogy and expansion we love wouldn't that make Halo 3 obsolete. In sense what I am saying is that Halo3 will probably for the first time fall out of the top ten for xbl weekly and might even disappear off the list for good. I know when Halo Reach comes out I will have no intention of playing Halo 3 anymore. Especially if its single player is as epic as Halo 1 was where I played it constantly , and its multiplayer is addicting like Halo 2 was.

If this is the case I will see no reason for any fan to continue playing Halo 3. We saw what happened to Halo 2 where the amount of players dropped off drastically. I am actually hoping this is the case because it will mean Halo Reach is the game every Halo fan wanted.

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#2 SparkyProtocol
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Everyone that gives a **** about Halo will move on to Reach. It is as simple as that. :)

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#3 SaltyMeatballs
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Everyone that gives a **** about Halo will move on to Reach. It is as simple as that. :)

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Ditto. And even if you don't, you won't play Halo 3 over Reach.
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#4 enterawesome
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Okay, well, if the multiplayer is improved, of course fans will migrate from one to the other. Halo 2 to Halo 3 to Halo Reach. Nothing is changing or unexpected about that, at all.
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#5 navyguy21
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Thats pretty much how every game works. New one comes------> people play new one. Same happened with resistance, call of duty, ratchet, and just about every game that gets a sequel fairly soon after the previous entry.
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#6 too_much_eslim
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what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.
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what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.too_much_eslim
The thing is though, CoD games tend to get worse in the multiplayer department. Plus, why would people outright stop playing Halo 3 if people still play Halo 2? It's still enjoyable.
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what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.too_much_eslim
There was still a large group of people playing Halo 2, which was keeping the orginal xbox live up, so their is a chance some people will remain on Halo 3.
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#9 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.opex07
There was still a large group of people playing Halo 2, which was keeping the orginal xbox live up, so their is a chance some people will remain on Halo 3.

That is because many people believe Halo 2 multiplayer is better. that is mainly because Halo 2 maps>Halo 3 maps.
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.enterawesome
The thing is though, CoD games tend to get worse in the multiplayer department. Plus, why would people outright stop playing Halo 3 if people still play Halo 2? It's still enjoyable.

The thing is if Halo Reach Multiplayer is literrally ten times better I can't expect anybody to stick with Halo 3 especially when many of those who doesn't think Halo 3 multiplayer lived up to the standard that Halo2 setup.
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what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.too_much_eslim
Over time, you will see those COD games fall off of the top 10 list as people become fatigued with the franchise.
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Okay, well, if the multiplayer is improved, of course fans will migrate from one to the other. Halo 2 to Halo 3 to Halo Reach. Nothing is changing or unexpected about that, at all.enterawesome
This makes sense.
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.dgsag
Over time, you will see those COD games fall off of the top 10 list as people become fatigued with the franchise.

I would have thought that after three games in a row that would happen.
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Progression - a hopeful byproduct of time.
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[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.too_much_eslim
There was still a large group of people playing Halo 2, which was keeping the orginal xbox live up, so their is a chance some people will remain on Halo 3.

That is because many people believe Halo 2 multiplayer is better. that is mainly because Halo 2 maps>Halo 3 maps.

The maps and speed of the gameplay were better, but things like glitches (BXR), autoaim, weapons (noob combo, etc.) were all heavily debated.
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#16 opex07
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[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]what I am saying that it will not belike what we see with the COD franchise. You see COD 4, Cod WAW, and CODMW2. ALso Since I expect the new COD7 to chart I expect to see 4 COD games in the top 10 list. I truly believe HAlo 3 will be lucky to be in the top 20.too_much_eslim
There was still a large group of people playing Halo 2, which was keeping the orginal xbox live up, so their is a chance some people will remain on Halo 3.

That is because many people believe Halo 2 multiplayer is better. that is mainly because Halo 2 maps>Halo 3 maps.

Almost every game series has a group of people who believed that past game were better, and others that believe the new game is better.

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Lol is this a real question? Of course Halo fans will play the newest Halo over a old one.
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#18 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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And what does it say of Halo as a series, if the only game that can permanently knock Halo 3 off the XBL Top 10 list is... another Halo game? :)

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Well I hope Reach is better than all the Halo games combined.
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Well I hope Reach is better than all the Halo games combined.DEATH775
Don't we all?
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#21 Dead-Memories
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Everyone that gives a **** about Halo will move on to Reach. It is as simple as that. :)

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couln't have said it better myself. unless the gameplay is DRASTICALLY different, the community is almost guaranteed to shift immediately after release.
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If that were true then why is Halo 2 still the #1 mp game on the original Xbox?
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#23 AdmiralBison
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Progression - a hopeful byproduct of time.DonPerian

Hey don- alittle of topicI noticed your Mac specs, don't agree with the graphics cards, but still impressive none the less and I'm looking into getting a Mac Pro as well.

Is that the best Mac Pro's right now and how much?

Oh and Halo 3 will stil be played, just like Halo 2 is being played today~until Microsoft officially can's Xbox 1' live support which will be very soon.

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#24 DethSkematik
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Pretty much. Unless the multiplayer is so horrible that fans will migrate back to Halo 3 (and seriously, I find it impossible to screw up Halo's MP), Reach will be the next big thing in online shooters (well, next to COD anyway :P).
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#25 soulitane
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And what does it say of Halo as a series, if the only game that can permanently knock Halo 3 off the XBL Top 10 list is... another Halo game? :)

AdobeArtist

That means the true halo killer is halo itself:o.

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I didn't think Halo 2 was better though. It had alot of glitches and some balancing issue that I do not think Halo 3 has. To me Halo 3 was far more balanced(it was the maps that were such a step back) Like for custom games Halo 2s glitches were awesome. Rocket Canceling, BXR, sniping people from the sky because of the super jumps. But in a competitive match? I hate glitches that is not how a MP should be to me. Plus I enjoyed all the stuff people did with Forge. So No I think while Halo 3 may become obsolete I think Halo 2s MP was done for me as soon as Halo 3 launched. and Halo 1 had a good feel to it but it had its fair share of flaws. Halo 3 for all intents and purposes plays better.
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You make that sound like it's a bad thing, just think about it for a little. I remember when I was in middleschool orchestra and I would only want to hear myself play, in order to do that I didn't just have to play louder than the people around me, I had to be loud enough to flat out drown out their noise with my own. If Halo Reach's multiplayer is so great that it can flat out drown Halo 3's multiplayer then I'm all for it. I truly hope that Halo Reach is the definitive Halo experience and that it is in a league of it's own. I doubt this will happen, and I am willing to bet that there will be a large amount of people who will still play Halo 3 even after Halo Reach comes out. I would be suprised if there was less than 50k a day going online in Halo 3 after Halo Reach comes out.
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#28 deactivated-6079d224de716
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You know, some people choose Counter-Strike 1.6 over Counter-Strike: Source. A popular multiplayer game won't become obsolete with it's successor release as long as it is different enough.

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If Halo Reach is good, 90% of the Halo fanbase will move to it and never look back.
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For a bit most people will move onto Reach but there is one thing that will keep playing Halo 3 AS WELL AS Halo Reach and that is the MAPS. There are two things in multiplayer that cause people to play it and that is the combat and the maps. If either one is terrible then people may not play the game. Combat is more important then the maps but if you have terrible maps then you may not want to play the multiplayer. Reach will without a doubt have different maps, which is a reason why people will eventually play Halo 3 as well. I'm not saying Reach is going to have bad maps, just people wont want to play the same maps over and over again and will then go back to Halo 3. I'm positive Halo 3 will continue being played, probably not as much as Reach but people will still play the game. I know I still play Gears Of War multiplayer just as much as Gears of War 2's multiplayer.
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#31 johnnyblazed88
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not right away

but it will fade fast

i expect reach to sell like 7 or8 million in the frst 2or 3months

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For a bit most people will move onto Reach but there is one thing that will keep playing Halo 3 AS WELL AS Halo Reach and that is the MAPS. There are two things in multiplayer that cause people to play it and that is the combat and the maps. If either one is terrible then people may not play the game. Combat is more important then the maps but if you have terrible maps then you may not want to play the multiplayer. Reach will without a doubt have different maps, which is a reason why people will eventually play Halo 3 as well. I'm not saying Reach is going to have bad maps, just people wont want to play the same maps over and over again and will then go back to Halo 3. I'm positive Halo 3 will continue being played, probably not as much as Reach but people will still play the game. I know I still play Gears Of War multiplayer just as much as Gears of War 2's multiplayer.xTheExploited

That's a very interesting thought there. I guess it it remains to be seen if we see Halo 3 maps imported and re-envisioned for Halo Reach MP, the same way we saw Halo 1 and 2 maps redesigned and updated for Halo 3 MP.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I didn't think Halo 2 was better though. It had alot of glitches and some balancing issue that I do not think Halo 3 has. To me Halo 3 was far more balanced(it was the maps that were such a step back) Like for custom games Halo 2s glitches were awesome. Rocket Canceling, BXR, sniping people from the sky because of the super jumps. But in a competitive match? I hate glitches that is not how a MP should be to me. Plus I enjoyed all the stuff people did with Forge. So No I think while Halo 3 may become obsolete I think Halo 2s MP was done for me as soon as Halo 3 launched. and Halo 1 had a good feel to it but it had its fair share of flaws. Halo 3 for all intents and purposes plays better.

Take the glitching and modding out Halo2 mp was just more addicting because it had better maps.
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#34 deactivated-59d151f079814
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In my mind I would go to reach just because the main thing I like about Halo 3 was the multiplayer.. The actual singleplayer wasn't enjoyable for me, was overall boring even with co-op.
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#35 SecretPolice
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I love H3 so much, now I hope Reach stinks and is a total failure .. :twisted:

J/K and really it's to be expected though it doesn't make Halo 3 any less of a great game. :P

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#36 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"]You make that sound like it's a bad thing, just think about it for a little. I remember when I was in middleschool orchestra and I would only want to hear myself play, in order to do that I didn't just have to play louder than the people around me, I had to be loud enough to flat out drown out their noise with my own. If Halo Reach's multiplayer is so great that it can flat out drown Halo 3's multiplayer then I'm all for it. I truly hope that Halo Reach is the definitive Halo experience and that it is in a league of it's own. I doubt this will happen, and I am willing to bet that there will be a large amount of people who will still play Halo 3 even after Halo Reach comes out. I would be suprised if there was less than 50k a day going online in Halo 3 after Halo Reach comes out.

See that's the thing. I expect it to flat out be the best ssingle player and multiplayer experience in the Halo franchise.
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#37 NAPK1NS
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Everyone that gives a **** about Halo will move on to Reach. It is as simple as that. :)

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Except for all the people who will complain and say that Reach "ruined" Halo. Just like the group of whackos who decided to stay on Halo 2.
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#38 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]

Everyone that gives a **** about Halo will move on to Reach. It is as simple as that. :)

NAPK1NS

Except for all the people who will complain and say that Reach "ruined" Halo. Just like the group of whackos who decided to stay on Halo 2.

Reach? Ruin? You're right...whackos. :roll: