If John Carmack proved that RAGE would be equal on both PS3 and 360...

...Will it put games like Mafia II, RDR and other multiplat games to shame (ie "lazy devs")??

...Will it put games like Mafia II, RDR and other multiplat games to shame (ie "lazy devs")??

Bazooka_4ME

Thats too simplistic a way to look at it.

Different studios have different levels of expertise,time and money etc.

i really dun understand all the hype behind Rage, looks like a nother metro 2033.

i never had probs with red dead redemption and didn't know about the difference between console version till after i beat it and i'm sure lots of people didn't care either. unless the game has techinical issues that hamper the experience then that would put me off to the game but again people like making big deals about the little things in life. also Mafia 2 isn't going to be no different for me either, getting it for the ps3 i had a blast with the demo and looking forward to the final product

Nope, it won't prove too much.

Still, Rage is now running at 60fps on all platforms, and the only difference, currently, is that the PS3 version loads slightly slower than the 360 version. PC version is ahead of both though, naturally.

You are assuming all devs, budgets, and publisher relations are the same. They are not. Devs are not lazy. They have to work with what they have, that includes pressure from publishers, media, and stockholders.navyguy21

QFT.

It's true, there are far too many variables when comparing games and developers for us to get proof from one game.

Caramack already said teh X360 version would have inferior textures in places people wouldn't really see(unless you are looking for it) because of disc space, and remember he is doin a completly different way of renedering, so traditional way could be worse for one of the consoles.

Yes it will! If they developed Rage on PS3 before porting it to 360 that is. Almost ALL multi-platform games are developed on PC or 360 first then port to PS3. There's no doubt PS3 will look the worst of all versions. The only flukes are Oblivion (a year later it released on 360 and PC), BioShock (same as Oblivion), Dragon Age: Origins (I have no idea why PS3 looks and runs better than 360). I wonder how much of RDR had 2 separated teams to develop on each platform are true. The game is identical, thus 360 version looks a little bit better.Kleeyook

Dragon age run better on X360, PS3 looks better, think they also said because of disc space.

You are assuming all devs, budgets, and publisher relations are the same. They are not. Devs are not lazy. They have to work with what they have, that includes pressure from publishers, media, and stockholders.navyguy21

excellent points.

Caramack already said teh X360 version would have inferior textures in places people wouldn't really see(unless you are looking for it) because of disc space, and remember he is doin a completly different way of renedering, so traditional way could be worse for one of the consoles.

MC3887

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That is dissappointing to me because I wanted them to license it out to other developers like they did with all their other engines.

You are assuming all devs, budgets, and publisher relations are the same. They are not. Devs are not lazy. They have to work with what they have, that includes pressure from publishers, media, and stockholders.navyguy21

I absolutely agree. "Lazy devs" is one of the most ridiculous excuses in the book. It's not like the dev came in and said "**** it, i'm not gonna work hard today 'cos i'm doin the PS3 version".

Unlike those other devs, Carmack has an engine to sell, so if it looks to be under performing on one system guess what? He will lose business. So they take the extra money, resources and time to optimize for PS3. I'm pretty sure the reason we are even waiting this long was thanks to the PS3.

You are assuming all devs, budgets, and publisher relations are the same. They are not. Devs are not lazy. They have to work with what they have, that includes pressure from publishers, media, and stockholders.navyguy21

Nope, Id software justhas the best programmer on the planet

Mafia 2 was a lazy port? What? I believe this rumor was quelled a while back, no?killa4lyfe

Considering the game was developed simultaneously across all platforms... I would think it had been settled :P

Apparently not though.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]You are assuming all devs, budgets, and publisher relations are the same. They are not. Devs are not lazy. They have to work with what they have, that includes pressure from publishers, media, and stockholders.Bazooka_4ME

Exclusives are the only way to judge a systems (devs as well to an extent) strength and weaknesses. But as was stated before, time, money, management and pressure will always play a factor on how a game looks and plays. In regards to rage, we know that Id (carmack) is a tech engine genius so the results should not surprise anyone. However, the engine itself has been in development for several years including a few delays, so one should expect the best given the time and money poured into it Blaze-Agent

actually I believe multiplats are better refrences.I think it's not fair to compair two consoles based on a game that does not even exist on the other platform.who knows how xbox can bring up uncharted 2?nobody can say it can't becouse there is no game like that on xbox!and if PS3 is so powerful why multiplats look better on xbox?ofcourse!devs fault.then if this is their fault why when they can't make that impressive GRFIX on 360 it's not their fault but xbox's?

That would mean the beginning of System Wars' end.

But it's not going to happen, impossible. :)

Nope, Id software justhas the best programmer on the planet

DoomZaW

ITS BLOODY GRASS. get over it. shabab12

:P

[QUOTE="shabab12"]ITS BLOODY GRASS. get over it. navyguy21

:P

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]You are assuming all devs, budgets, and publisher relations are the same. They are not. Devs are not lazy. They have to work with what they have, that includes pressure from publishers, media, and stockholders.navyguy21

The PS3s exclusive devs have already put the multiplat devs to shame. You can say what you want about the difference in resources, but when the work is out for both, and the multiplat game is far outclassed, that's really all that matters.

The PS3s exclusive devs have already put the multiplat devs to shame. You can say what you want about the difference in resources, but when the work is out for both, and the multiplat game is far outclassed, that's really all that matters.

Pug-Nasty

rdr looks better than most ps3 exclusives. and it also looks better on the 360.

rage looks better than all ps3 exclusives. and it will probably look better on the 360 again.

The PS3s exclusive devs have already put the multiplat devs to shame. You can say what you want about the difference in resources, but when the work is out for both, and the multiplat game is far outclassed, that's really all that matters.

Pug-Nasty

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

The PS3s exclusive devs have already put the multiplat devs to shame. You can say what you want about the difference in resources, but when the work is out for both, and the multiplat game is far outclassed, that's really all that matters.

KarateeeChop

rdr looks better than most ps3 exclusives. and it also looks better on the 360.

rage looks better than all ps3 exclusives. and it will probably look better on the 360 again.

Says who?

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

The PS3s exclusive devs have already put the multiplat devs to shame. You can say what you want about the difference in resources, but when the work is out for both, and the multiplat game is far outclassed, that's really all that matters.

KarateeeChop

rdr looks better than most ps3 exclusives. and it also looks better on the 360.

rage looks better than all ps3 exclusives. and it will probably look better on the 360 again.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

The PS3s exclusive devs have already put the multiplat devs to shame. You can say what you want about the difference in resources, but when the work is out for both, and the multiplat game is far outclassed, that's really all that matters.

KarateeeChop

rdr looks better than most ps3 exclusives. and it also looks better on the 360.

rage looks better than all ps3 exclusives. and it will probably look better on the 360 again.

That is because of the constraints because the 360's DVD 9's don't hold as much on a disc as a Blu-ray disc. Because isn't the 360 version suppose to be on 2 discs? But it is on one disc on the PS3.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]Exclusives are the only way to judge a systems (devs as well to an extent) strength and weaknesses. But as was stated before, time, money, management and pressure will always play a factor on how a game looks and plays. In regards to rage, we know that Id (carmack) is a tech engine genius so the results should not surprise anyone. However, the engine itself has been in development for several years including a few delays, so one should expect the best given the time and money poured into it noob-saibot2010

actually I believe multiplats are better refrences.I think it's not fair to compair two consoles based on a game that does not even exist on the other platform.who knows how xbox can bring up uncharted 2?nobody can say it can't becouse there is no game like that on xbox!and if PS3 is so powerful why multiplats look better on xbox?ofcourse!devs fault.then if this is their fault why when they can't make that impressive GRFIX on 360 it's not their fault but xbox's?

[QUOTE="noob-saibot2010"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]Exclusives are the only way to judge a systems (devs as well to an extent) strength and weaknesses. But as was stated before, time, money, management and pressure will always play a factor on how a game looks and plays. In regards to rage, we know that Id (carmack) is a tech engine genius so the results should not surprise anyone. However, the engine itself has been in development for several years including a few delays, so one should expect the best given the time and money poured into it Blaze-Agent

actually I believe multiplats are better refrences.I think it's not fair to compair two consoles based on a game that does not even exist on the other platform.who knows how xbox can bring up uncharted 2?nobody can say it can't becouse there is no game like that on xbox!and if PS3 is so powerful why multiplats look better on xbox?ofcourse!devs fault.then if this is their fault why when they can't make that impressive GRFIX on 360 it's not their fault but xbox's?

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"][QUOTE="noob-saibot2010"]

actually I believe multiplats are better refrences.I think it's not fair to compair two consoles based on a game that does not even exist on the other platform.who knows how xbox can bring up uncharted 2?nobody can say it can't becouse there is no game like that on xbox!and if PS3 is so powerful why multiplats look better on xbox?ofcourse!devs fault.then if this is their fault why when they can't make that impressive GRFIX on 360 it's not their fault but xbox's?

navyguy21

it does to an extent. if developers working on seperate systems, produce difffernt results it can be down to 2 things. 1 system is limited in its capabilities or one set of developers are better. in reality its probably a bit of both. its why naughty dog can produce vastly better vesults than remedy.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"] thats because multiplats never look to exploit the strengths of a platform. there is always a low denominator when discussing multi platform games thats why for the most part they all look and play the same except for a few exceptions. And the only reason xbox360 multiplat games look slightly better than its ps3 counterparts is because its so much easier to port from a PC to the 360 (gaming development starts on PC's) than it is to port from PC to ps3 because the architecture is so different. Exclusives are the only way to judge a platforms strength. shabab12

it does to an extent. if developers working on seperate systems, produce difffernt results it can be down to 2 things. 1 system is limited in its capabilities or one set of developers are better. in reality its probably a bit of both. its why naughty dog can produce vastly better vesults than remedy.

It'll never happen. Some pixel will be off somewhere, and someone will take the time to find it, and then one version will be clearly inferior.Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"] thats because multiplats never look to exploit the strengths of a platform. there is always a low denominator when discussing multi platform games thats why for the most part they all look and play the same except for a few exceptions. And the only reason xbox360 multiplat games look slightly better than its ps3 counterparts is because its so much easier to port from a PC to the 360 (gaming development starts on PC's) than it is to port from PC to ps3 because the architecture is so different. Exclusives are the only way to judge a platforms strength. Bazooka_4ME

...Will it put games like Mafia II, RDR and other multiplat games to shame (ie "lazy devs")??

Bazooka_4ME

...Will it put games like Mafia II, RDR and other multiplat games to shame (ie "lazy devs")??