If MGS4 and GTA4 did not deserve a 10, what game does?

So apparently many people are saying MGS4 and GTA4 don't deserve a 10.

If that's so, what games that have come out this generation DOES deserve a 10?

I highly suspect most of these people will say "no games this gen deserves a 10."

If that's so, WHY USE A 10-POINT SCALE? We might as well grade games out of 9.5 if we're never going to use 10.

A 10 does not mean the game is perfect. It simply means that (in the reviewer's OPINION) the game is among the best games, out of all the games being graded out of 10.

Are MGS4 and GTA4 among the best games this gen? I think most sensible people would agree.

Conclusion, stop complaining and cluttering up the boards.

Super Mario Galaxy.

I think Alex Navarro wanted to give it a 10, but as they said in one of the Reviewer's Blogs, everyone has to agree with the score when giving something a 10. It must have not flied/flown(?) by everyone.

MASS EFFECT (with out bugs)

Super Mario Galaxy deserved a 10. Without a doubt.

No game really deserves a 10.

A 10 is a game with is PERFECT, and everyone will love. It should also be a game with NO bugs. It should be flawless while offering an amazing/epic experience.

GTA IV was probably a 9.3 or so. I dont know about MGSIV, i've never played it. I played snake eater though, and I enjoyed that game. But from what i've heard, people say MGSIV was not a 10.

except... MGS4 and GTA4 did deserve the 10's. A 10 doent mean perfect on GS, its Prime.EVOLV3

No game really deserves a 10.

A 10 is a game with is PERFECT, and everyone will love. It should also be a game with NO bugs. It should be flawless while offering an amazing/epic experience.

GTA IV was probably a 9.3 or so. I dont know about MGSIV, i've never played it. I played snake eater though, and I enjoyed that game. But from what i've heard, people say MGSIV was not a 10.

taj7575

Well on this site a 10 is Prime.

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]except... MGS4 and GTA4 did deserve the 10's. A 10 doent mean perfect on GS, its Prime.death919

You do realize you can turn the lock on targeting off don't you? I played the entire game with out it.

None of them to be honest.

a 10 should be flawless or leagues ahead of the competition.

THere should be a massive difference between MGS 4 and the rest of the games in its genre

same with GTA 4

Which isn't the case, as there are games in each of there genres that do certain things better. Thief and Splintercell do stealth gameplay better overall than MGS 4(which does action better though)

and GTA 4 lacked some of the variety of previous versions.

No game really deserves a 10.

A 10 is a game with is PERFECT, and everyone will love. It should also be a game with NO bugs. It should be flawless while offering an amazing/epic experience.

GTA IV was probably a 9.3 or so. I dont know about MGSIV, i've never played it. I played snake eater though, and I enjoyed that game. But from what i've heard, people say MGSIV was not a 10.

taj7575

I still don't understand the whole MGS4 and GTA4 not deserving 10 thing.

Those 2 are easily better than just about every game to have come out since the release of the ps3/360/wii. The only game that even comes close to what those 2 games did is Super Mario Galaxy, which is the only other game I could honestly see it get a 10.

None of them to be honest.

a 10 should be flawless or leagues ahead of the competition.

THere should be a massive difference between MGS 4 and the rest of the games in its genre

same with GTA 4

Which isn't the case, as there are games in each of there genres that do certain things better. Thief and Splintercell do stealth gameplay better overall than MGS 4(which does action better though)

and GTA 4 lacked some of the variety of previous versions.

jg4xchamp

So because other games may do a feature better than one, that game doesnt deserve its 10? In that case I have no idea why Ocarina of Time got its 10...

MGS4 had a lot of glaring flaws the GS review didn't take into account:

-Broken online

-Needlessly convoluted storytelling

-Excessive load times

-No broad appeal

-Some cutscenes that are almost to the point of being lectures on abstract concepts.

-Mission briefings repeated the same thing 40 times and were just excruciatingly dull

-Just way too many cutscenes in general that come in at the wrong time, when you are getting into the gameplay and a cutscenes is triggered it really takes you out of the game and this happens far too often

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

None of them to be honest.

a 10 should be flawless or leagues ahead of the competition.

THere should be a massive difference between MGS 4 and the rest of the games in its genre

same with GTA 4

Which isn't the case, as there are games in each of there genres that do certain things better. Thief and Splintercell do stealth gameplay better overall than MGS 4(which does action better though)

and GTA 4 lacked some of the variety of previous versions.

ice144

So because other games may do a feature better than one, that game doesnt deserve its 10? In that case I have no idea why Ocarina of Time got its 10...

There are games in the past that were as big as MGS 4 and GTA 4 in previous years, but never got 10s either because there flaws were taken into consideration.

IMO Gamespot and IGN were soft on these 2 games.

MGS4 had a lot of glaring flaws the GS review didn't take into account:

-Broken online

-Needlessly convoluted storytelling

-Excessive load times

-No broad appeal

-Some cutscenes that are almost to the point of being lectures on abstract concepts.

-Mission briefings repeated the same thing 40 times and were just excruciatingly dull

-Just way too many cutscenes in general that come in at the wrong time, when you are getting into the gameplay and a cutscenes is triggered it really takes you out of the game and this happens far too often

mephisto_11

KEYWORD : Opinion

last gen: shenmue and shenmue 2, gta vice city

this gen: orange box

No game and I mean no game ever deserves a 10. 10 means perfect. A game carries absolutely no flaws whatsoever by the time of release and it not only exceeds in each attribute, but also redefines the genre it's specifies in.

No game has done this. Symphony of the Night is the best game I've ever played and I don't consider it to be a 10. But it comes awfully close (9.9).

All high scoring games this gen: MGS4, GTA4, Crysis, SMG, Halo 3, Gears, and Oblivion. They all got the scores they deserve IMO. But that's MY opinion. Not everyone will agree with me since most people here are fanboys :(.

EDIT: SMG deserves a 10 as well IMO.

SMG does, I have a Wii and gave this game a rent and it was really good. Very easy to play, fun, and has replay value just like all the other Super Mario games. IMO games that deserve a 10 are games that have good game play, appeal to casual and hardcore gamers. I guess it has to have some decent graphics.

MGS 4- Does not appeal to everyone only real fans of the series.

GTA 4- Looks great, everything else we've done before it's stale and old gameplay, yes there are a little tweeks and ajustments in the game play but still, we done all these missions before. Oh and the online is horrible, stand across from someone and shoot and wait for someone to run out of life first. The online could be soooooo much better if there were one shot kills.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

None of them to be honest.

a 10 should be flawless or leagues ahead of the competition.

THere should be a massive difference between MGS 4 and the rest of the games in its genre

same with GTA 4

Which isn't the case, as there are games in each of there genres that do certain things better. Thief and Splintercell do stealth gameplay better overall than MGS 4(which does action better though)

and GTA 4 lacked some of the variety of previous versions.

ice144

So because other games may do a feature better than one, that game doesnt deserve its 10? In that case I have no idea why Ocarina of Time got its 10...

For its time OOT was a *real* 10. It was just so much better than the other games at the time. 10 are all opinions anyways , Gears was a 10 for me, I played that game for almost a year. Others hated it. I dont care about reviews anymore, other than to see if the game is trash or not.

No game and I mean no game ever deserves a 10. 10 means perfect. A game carries absolutely no flaws whatsoever by the time of release and it not only exceeds in each attribute, but also redefines the genre it's specifies in.

No game has done this. Symphony of the Night is the best game I've ever played and I don't consider it to be a 10. But it comes awfully close (9.9).

mo0ksi

That's why GS no longer goes by "Perfect" anymore. It's now "Prime".

To review game: GS first compares the game to others in the same genre and on the same platform. Lastly, they do an overall comparison to other games. If the game they are reviewing holds up to or exceeds the standard in terms of playability, fun, and quality, they score accordingly. (at least that's how I think they do :)).

No game is perfect since everyone has opinions.

SMG does, I have a Wii and gave this game a rent and it was really good. Very easy to play, fun, and has replay value just like all the other Super Mario games. IMO games that deserve a 10 are games that have good game play, appeal to casual and hardcore gamers. I guess it has to have some decent graphics.

MGS 4- Does not appeal to everyone only real fans of the series.

GTA 4- Looks great, everything else we've done before it's stale and old gameplay, yes there are a little tweeks and ajustments in the game play but still, we done all these missions before. Oh and the online is horrible, stand across from someone and shoot and wait for someone to run out of life first. The online could be soooooo much better if there were one shot kills.

xxyetixx

SMG should have gottena 10. But that doesn't mean MGS4 and GTA4 don't deserve 10's IMO. They are all 10's to me.

How many times do i have to read: 10 isn't Perfect its Prime?.

Whats the point of getting the maximum score if its not perfect?

In my opinion changing Perfect to Prime was a total cop out.

How many times do i have to read: 10 isn't Perfect its Prime?.

Whats the point of getting the maximum score if its not perfect?

In my opinion changing Perfect to Prime was a total cop out.

gozalo

I'm not sure, but you should ask GS :P. They went for a more mainstream/ casual review system I guess. It is what it is...

None of them to be honest.

a 10 should be flawless or leagues ahead of the competition.

THere should be a massive difference between MGS 4 and the rest of the games in its genre

same with GTA 4

Which isn't the case, as there are games in each of there genres that do certain things better. Thief and Splintercell do stealth gameplay better overall than MGS 4(which does action better though)

and GTA 4 lacked some of the variety of previous versions.

jg4xchamp

Even if SC and Thief had better stealth gameplay, that doesn't mean that MGS4 wasn't remarkable. You can always find certain flaws or aspects of a game that aren't that good, but as a whole, MGS 4 is much better than Thief and SC. If anything, the standards should be based on what that particular game did and why most games haven't come close to it.

How many times do i have to read: 10 isn't Perfect its Prime?.

Whats the point of getting the maximum score if its not perfect?

In my opinion changing Perfect to Prime was a total cop out.

gozalo

because apparently no game can be perfect.

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]

No game and I mean no game ever deserves a 10. 10 means perfect. A game carries absolutely no flaws whatsoever by the time of release and it not only exceeds in each attribute, but also redefines the genre it's specifies in.

No game has done this. Symphony of the Night is the best game I've ever played and I don't consider it to be a 10. But it comes awfully close (9.9).

TREAL_Since

That's why GS no longer goes by "Perfect" anymore. It's now "Prime".

To review game: GS first compares the game to others in the same genre and on the same platform. Lastly, they do an overall comparison to other games. If the game they are reviewing holds up to or exceeds the standard in terms of playability, fun, and quality, they score accordingly. (at least that's how I think they do :)).

No game is perfect since everyone has opinions.

I honestly go by using GS' old rating system with 10 being a perfect to me instead of prime. While no game may be a 10, I have no reason to downplay the games that recieved a 10 on this site with the exception of THPS3.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

That's why GS no longer goes by "Perfect" anymore. It's now "Prime".

To review game: GS first compares the game to others in the same genre and on the same platform. Lastly, they do an overall comparison to other games. If the game they are reviewing holds up to or exceeds the standard in terms of playability, fun, and quality, they score accordingly. (at least that's how I think they do :)).

No game is perfect since everyone has opinions.

mo0ksi

I honestly go by using GS' old rating system with 10 being a perfect to me instead of prime. While no game may be a 10, I have no reason to downplay the games that recieved a 10 on this site with the exception of THPS3.

Me too. I like GS's old review system better. :lol: THPS3. I forgot about that.

Even if a game is a thousand times better then MGS4 it will sstill get a 10..

Is there nothing wrong with that?

[QUOTE="mephisto_11"]

MGS4 had a lot of glaring flaws the GS review didn't take into account:

-Broken online

-Needlessly convoluted storytelling

-Excessive load times

-No broad appeal

-Some cutscenes that are almost to the point of being lectures on abstract concepts.

-Mission briefings repeated the same thing 40 times and were just excruciatingly dull

-Just way too many cutscenes in general that come in at the wrong time, when you are getting into the gameplay and a cutscenes is triggered it really takes you out of the game and this happens far too often

angelkimne

KEYWORD : Opinion

I don't know about them but I know I don't

How is the online broken? I really enjoy playing MGO. And theres NO loading past the installs. I also enjoyed the story.