If Ps4 and Xbox 720 are weak

I doubt Ps4 and Xbox 720 will be weak. Mainly because pc gaming would be so far ahead of the consoles like never before. Be the first time its been like that for me.

If the consoles are as weak as people on system wars say they will be then this will be a much different gen than before. Its always been that the consoles at launch are on par with the latest pc hardware or close. How different of a gen do you think it will be if Ps4 and Xbox 720 are weak compared to the pc?

I think that due to this the pc gaming market for dedicated gpu's will die out and become redudant. They will no longer make games that can make use of the hardware so everybody can play at high settings with integrated graphics.

There will be less and less exclusives because pc gaming has become cheaper to get into and has become a bigger player, thus it will take a bigger share from the pie. The main difference from the consoles in terms of games will be what gimmicks they can do.

Ps4 and Xbox 720 are most likely gonna be on par with current pc hardware like gtx 680 in power. Its like those end of the world predictions, when people say the consoles are gonna be weak.

im still satisfied with my ps3 even today, its more about the actual games than raw hardware imo , imo as long as there will be a noticable upgrade to current gen tech im fine, but id still rather pay more to get more advanced tech , i dont understand people who rather get a cheap console at launch with weak tech than pay lets say double as much and get a better device on the long run

im still satisfied with my ps3 even today, its more about the actual games than raw hardware imo , imo as long as there will be a noticable upgrade to current gen tech im fine, but id still rather pay more to get more advanced tech , i dont understand people who rather get a cheap console at launch with weak tech than pay lets say double as much and get a better device on the long run

AmnesiaHaze

It depends on what sort of market MS and Sony want to target. If they want to target casuals then the consoles should be cheap which means the hardware will be lowend and cheap too.clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"]It depends on what sort of market MS and Sony want to target. If they want to target casuals then the consoles should be cheap which means the hardware will be lowend and cheap too.AmnesiaHaze

I was wondering,what will companies like ubisoft and square enix do if the 720 and ps4 turn out to be weak?

They have obviously spent a lot of money on next gen game engines(watch dogs,luminous engine etc)...

I was wondering,what will companies like ubisoft and square enix do if the 720 and ps4 turn out to be weak?

They have obviously spent a lot of money on next gen game engines(watch dogs,luminous engine etc)...

call_of_duty_10

im still satisfied with my ps3 even today, its more about the actual games than raw hardware imo , imo as long as there will be a noticable upgrade to current gen tech im fine, but id still rather pay more to get more advanced tech , i dont understand people who rather get a cheap console at launch with weak tech than pay lets say double as much and get a better device on the long run

AmnesiaHaze

they won't be weak. sony/ms aren't stupid, they see no1 buys the outdated wiiu so better invest more money on next gen specs than build a cheap system no one cares about.silversix_

The Wii U is sold out everywhere and is backordered for months. Maybe you should check your sources there, slick. The only thing you got right is that the PS4/next xbox won't be weak, they'll be stronger than the Wii U...though by how much is yet to be seen. Some things already hint that it won't be by much. With the Wii U already being more powerful than the PS3/360, the only place to go is up.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]they won't be weak. sony/ms aren't stupid, they see no1 buys the outdated wiiu so better invest more money on next gen specs than build a cheap system no one cares about.Puckhog04

The Wii U is sold out everywhere and is backordered for months. Maybe you should check your sources there, slick. The only thing you got right is that the PS4/next xbox won't be weak, they'll be stronger than the Wii U...though by how much is yet to be seen. Some things already hint that it won't be by much. With the Wii U already being more powerful than the PS3/360, the only place to go is up.

Next gen consoles will be on par with most gaming PCs. Don't assume that everybody owns a $1000 gaming rig.

It is the games that defines a systems strenght not the hardware,,,

It is the games that defines a systems strenght not the hardware,,,

aroxx_ab

[QUOTE="silversix_"]they won't be weak. sony/ms aren't stupid, they see no1 buys the outdated wiiu so better invest more money on next gen specs than build a cheap system no one cares about.Puckhog04

The Wii U is sold out everywhere and is backordered for months. Maybe you should check your sources there, slick. The only thing you got right is that the PS4/next xbox won't be weak, they'll be stronger than the Wii U...though by how much is yet to be seen. Some things already hint that it won't be by much. With the Wii U already being more powerful than the PS3/360, the only place to go is up.

Next gen consoles will be on par with most gaming PCs. Don't assume that everybody owns a $1000 gaming rig.

Master_ShakeXXX

Depends what their being compared to. If compared to the Wii U, they'll look like heavywieghts :o if compared to the best gaming rigs available 3 years after they've launched, they'll look like lightweights. :P

Wont comment on MS but Sony absolutely will build a powerhouse machine, its what they do. They are and always have been a technology driven hardware company and certainly wont want to be beaten at their own game by MS so expect somethin very special from them.

They won;t be power wasting guzzlers like the 360 and PS3 and they won't be a massive leap over this gen.A noticeable leap over this gen will happen and it may make it easier to port to certain weaker consoles like the WiiU,last gen consoles,Ouya(lol) etc,

I dont care, I'll be getting one of them.

The Wii U is sold out everywhere and is backordered for months. Puckhog04

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]The Wii U is sold out everywhere and is backordered for months. Badosh

I hope they are powerful enough to handle Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 maxed graphics, Unreal Engine 4, etc. On the other hand, some 360/PS3 games still impress me visually (Halo 4, Uncharted 3, Far Cry 3, etc...), so anything above them will be good enough.

I expect the next xbox box to be weak as Microsoft tend to use cheap of the shelp components so they can make it easily compatible with games for windows crap wouldn't surprise me if they take Nintendo's route and just beeff up the specs a little by adding more ram and a bluray drive and boosting the cpu and gpu only a little. Sony will be the only true console maker left next gen.

I expect the next xbox box to be weak as Microsoft tend to use cheap of the shelp components so they can make it easily compatible with games for windows crap wouldn't surprise me if they take Nintendo's route and just beeff up the specs a little by adding more ram and a bluray drive and boosting the cpu and gpu only a little. Sony will be the only true console maker left next gen.

chickfornick

I expect the next xbox box to be weak as Microsoft tend to use cheap of the shelp components so they can make it easily compatible with games for windows crap wouldn't surprise me if they take Nintendo's route and just beeff up the specs a little by adding more ram and a bluray drive and boosting the cpu and gpu only a little. Sony will be the only true console maker left next gen.

chickfornick

Yep, next gen will only start when Sony says so.

Well Sonys most successful consoles were always the weakest with the worst graphics, in that case I suspect the PS4 will be only slighty more powerful than the WiiU. NextBox will be a powerhouse, I'm sure about that.

Every console generation has experienced some sort fo major architectural shift in the hardware. The last one, of course was unified shaders. This meant that once developers got the hang of the new architecture/rendering model, they could come up with game sthta looked significantly betetr than the gen befroe.

But there are no significant hardware shifts this upcoming generation. There's nothign comparable to the unified shaders of last gen. Right now all we have are more powerful and more power effcient versions of what we had back then plus a few improvements and features like Tessellation and direct compute.

So the only way for consoles to match a modern, high end PC is to match them purely on hardware muscle, and that's a battle they CANNOT win, because you can't build consoles the size of ATX towers. The PC will always have more TDP room than a console.

Expect hardware that performs about the same as a modern mid range PC. With some time, I think devs can squeeze out a little more power out fo the hardware vs a game running on the DX API on PC, but by that time PC will have GPU's and CPU's that are twice as powerful.

Ofcourse, that's speaking relatively when comparing the next gen consoles to PC's, but that doesn't mean that games won't have more to offer next gen. Lighting, Anti-Alising, Physics, view distances, size and complexity of the worlds, all of these things will be much improved from what current gen consoles can do. Coming from playign games at barely 720p, aliased to hell and back, low rez textures, and "corridor" games, most conole gamers are going to be wowed just by upping the rez and increase the frame rate - nevermind improving the lighting/shadowing, the textures, etc.

We saw a huge graphical jump from the original xbox($300) to 360($300-$400) and that was only 4 years. A $300-$400 console 8 years later will be a even bigger jump in functionality and in graphical capability. The only people who say otherwise are sheep hoping they aren't left behind again. MFDOOM1983

The 720 may be using a slow cpu like the WiiU to save power and most tech discussions point at the 720 being anywere from 6X-8X more powerful then the 360.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]they won't be weak. sony/ms aren't stupid, they see no1 buys the outdated wiiu so better invest more money on next gen specs than build a cheap system no one cares about.silversix_

The Wii U is sold out everywhere and is backordered for months. Maybe you should check your sources there, slick. The only thing you got right is that the PS4/next xbox won't be weak, they'll be stronger than the Wii U...though by how much is yet to be seen. Some things already hint that it won't be by much. With the Wii U already being more powerful than the PS3/360, the only place to go is up.

Whoa, anecdotes? Well, on the flipside, IO have yet to find one in store :?

it is redundant for the PS nation as the ps3 may eventually be more powerful than the ps4 due to the rising of untapped cell power. it has already overtaken modern day PC graphics as proven by the other thread on the main page.PressXtoJump

That makes absolutely zero sense. Stop spewing nonsense.

[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]it is redundant for the PS nation as the ps3 may eventually be more powerful than the ps4 due to the rising of untapped cell power. it has already overtaken modern day PC graphics as proven by the other thread on the main page.lundy86_4

That makes absolutely zero sense. Stop spewing nonsense.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]it is redundant for the PS nation as the ps3 may eventually be more powerful than the ps4 due to the rising of untapped cell power. it has already overtaken modern day PC graphics as proven by the other thread on the main page.PressXtoJump

That makes absolutely zero sense. Stop spewing nonsense.

[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

That makes absolutely zero sense. Stop spewing nonsense.

PressXtoJump

Every console generation has experienced some sort fo major architectural shift in the hardware. The last one, of course was unified shaders. This meant that once developers got the hang of the new architecture/rendering model, they could come up with game sthta looked significantly betetr than the gen befroe.

But there are no significant hardware shifts this upcoming generation. There's nothign comparable to the unified shaders of last gen. Right now all we have are more powerful and more power effcient versions of what we had back then plus a few improvements and features like Tessellation and direct compute.

So the only way for consoles to match a modern, high end PC is to match them purely on hardware muscle, and that's a battle they CANNOT win, because you can't build consoles the size of ATX towers. The PC will always have more TDP room than a console.

Expect hardware that performs about the same as a modern mid range PC. With some time, I think devs can squeeze out a little more power out fo the hardware vs a game running on the DX API on PC, but by that time PC will have GPU's and CPU's that are twice as powerful.

Ofcourse, that's speaking relatively when comparing the next gen consoles to PC's, but that doesn't mean that games won't have more to offer next gen. Lighting, Anti-Alising, Physics, view distances, size and complexity of the worlds, all of these things will be much improved from what current gen consoles can do. Coming from playign games at barely 720p, aliased to hell and back, low rez textures, and "corridor" games, most conole gamers are going to be wowed just by upping the rez and increase the frame rate - nevermind improving the lighting/shadowing, the textures, etc.

Kinthalis

MS and Sony cannot afford to take large losses this time around, so what they are doing is focusing on console itself to be cheap,able to make a profit and are reliable. They can not accomplish that with creating consoles that are using hardware that requires plenty of power and cooling. Also people are over looking the fact there is 8 years of hardware and software gap between this gen and the upcoming gen. The current consoles are holding back gaming advancement in general because of their hardware and memory limits and since this generation multiplatform gaming has become the norm. They have to design and create these games around the lowest common denominator which tends to be the consoles, which prohibits many game factors as what Kinthalis has stated above. Once we move onto the next generation, we will finally be on a native direct x 11, shader model 5 standard with much better game worlds to interact with and to look at..

Now some need to realize that even with a low tier gpu's if used in the next consoles those gpu's would be still be 4x stronger and able to much more that the older console gpu's. They would be going from 256mb of video memory to 1024mb to 2048mb of memory allowing true native 1080 resolutions and much higher quality detail in game. Now also we will be moving from the old use of direct x9 and shader model 3 base to direct x 11 and shader model 5, that alone will provide a huge gap. More processing power along with more memory in general will allow so many doors to open in games in general where even though the consoles may be weak compared to gaming Pc's fact is that it will be a leap over what is out now.

if speculations are correct, the one cell that isnt used inside the core of the ps3 is not for NOTHING, it for you.......the people.......and it could very well be dedicated for spiritual emotion and feeling, hence KARAs outcries.PressXtoJump

6 SPEs can be utilized for game development. One is for the OS and one is locked out to increase manufacturing yields.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]they won't be weak. sony/ms aren't stupid, they see no1 buys the outdated wiiu so better invest more money on next gen specs than build a cheap system no one cares about.Puckhog04

The Wii U is sold out everywhere and is backordered for months. Maybe you should check your sources there, slick. The only thing you got right is that the PS4/next xbox won't be weak, they'll be stronger than the Wii U...though by how much is yet to be seen. Some things already hint that it won't be by much. With the Wii U already being more powerful than the PS3/360, the only place to go is up.

Uh just last week I could get a Wii U in almost every GameStop I walked into. Don't know why people keep saying this

I really do hope not especially when consoles are lasting 6-8 years now. Graphics look insane now even on console so I'm thinking next gen is about the physics, animation and standard 1080p .

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]We saw a huge graphical jump from the original xbox($300) to 360($300-$400) and that was only 4 years. A $300-$400 console 8 years later will be a even bigger jump in functionality and in graphical capability. The only people who say otherwise are sheep hoping they aren't left behind again. super600

The 720 may be using a slow cpu like the WiiU to save power and most tech discussions point at the 720 being anywere from 6X-8X more powerful then the 360.

I really do hope not especially when consoles are lasting 6-8 years now. Graphics look insane now even on console so I'm thinking next gen is about the physics, animation and standard 1080p .

Blazed

[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

im still satisfied with my ps3 even today, its more about the actual games than raw hardware imo , imo as long as there will be a noticable upgrade to current gen tech im fine, but id still rather pay more to get more advanced tech , i dont understand people who rather get a cheap console at launch with weak tech than pay lets say double as much and get a better device on the long run

slipknot0129

Graphics in video games arent going to be getting much better than what they already are now on the PC. The only thing I can see being pushed in future console games is resolution, scale and physics.

...Oh and gimmicks.

Graphics in video games arent going to be getting much better than what they already are now on the PC. The only thing I can see being pushed in future console games is resolution, scale and physics.

pelvist

[QUOTE="pelvist"]

Graphics in video games arent going to be getting much better than what they already are now on the PC. The only thing I can see being pushed in future console games is resolution, scale and physics.

04dcarraher