If some editors Flop MP:3 is there any game on the wii good enough?

It seems like some publishers are dead set against the wii, even comparing the graphics of Mp:3 to the 360 in some previews.

Im concerned that some game sites are trying to make public opinion anbout wii rather than reviewing games on there merit.

If Mp:3 scores a 8.0 then there is odviouly a deep seated biased twoards the console in genral and I dont see any game getting a fair shot.

is this a good point?

so if some one flops MP3 they bias against the Wii?

Yes it is, I am feeling the same way at the moment. If MP3 doesnt score better than the incomplete (but still great) SPM or Wario Ware then there is a real problem with GS.Iorning_board

I'd be surprised if MP3 got below an 9.0 and Warioware for Wii got a 9.0 :?Kaze_no_Mirai

Me too.

Yes it is, I am feeling the same way at the moment. If MP3 doesnt score better than the incomplete (but still great) SPM or Wario Ware then there is a real problem with GS.Iorning_board

[QUOTE="Iorning_board"]Yes it is, I am feeling the same way at the moment. If MP3 doesnt score better than the incomplete (but still great) SPM or Wario Ware then there is a real problem with GS.II-FBIsniper-II

Plus GS's reviews are time-based. Since the expectations for next-gen games have skyrocketed since the 360 launch, if PDZ were released today it would probably only be 7.5 - 8.0 perhaps. It can be kind of confusing sometimes.

It seems like some publishers are dead set against the wii, even comparing the graphics of Mp:3 to the 360 in some previews.

Im concerned that some game sites are trying to make public opinion anbout wii rather than reviewing games on there merit.

If Mp:3 scores a 8.0 then there is odviouly a deep seated biased twoards the console in genral and I dont see any game getting a fair shot.

is this a good point?

jessmo30_basic

Are you serious? By that logic everyone would get to moan when a game doesn't meet their expectations. Hell, I played Spiderman 3 for the Wii for about 3 hours today - did it deserve its harsh review? -- yeah, but so what - I like it.

Just hope Jeff doesn't review it. The man hasn't got a clue.

It seems like some publishers are dead set against the wii, even comparing the graphics of Mp:3 to the 360 in some previews.

Im concerned that some game sites are trying to make public opinion anbout wii rather than reviewing games on there merit.

If Mp:3 scores a 8.0 then there is odviouly a deep seated biased twoards the console in genral and I dont see any game getting a fair shot.

is this a good point?

jessmo30_basic

dont get me wrong Im not trying to be a cry baby, but here you have the most graphiclly impressive wii game so far.

You have the best controlls and most fullfilling experience since zelda. it should set the bar on wii, and not be compared graphics wise to Bio-shock or halo 3. the platforming elements level and puzzle designs should be considered,its not a FPS.

They have Cooking mama 2! ;)Heil68

Don't worry, you get your fair share with Gundam ;)

[QUOTE="Iorning_board"]Yes it is, I am feeling the same way at the moment. If MP3 doesnt score better than the incomplete (but still great) SPM or Wario Ware then there is a real problem with GS.II-FBIsniper-II

That's something to consider- we don't know if they've toughened the points system for games or not. Frankly, we haven't seen enough game rates to really be sure. But I will say, look at "the bad" for Bioshock....hardly anything close to being pretty bad, and it still wound up with a 9.0.

If MP3 turns out to be MP but with Wii controls, while you might love it, game design has advanced and they will expect more out of it. It's similar to Zelda:TP- it was basically OoT v2, and while OoT was a 10 in 97...it's not a 10 anymore, graphics aside.

So no, it's not a bias against the Wii (or any system), it's an expectation that developers will produce true next-gen games that couldn't be done last time around. Not many games have done that so far.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Iorning_board"]Yes it is, I am feeling the same way at the moment. If MP3 doesnt score better than the incomplete (but still great) SPM or Wario Ware then there is a real problem with GS.Vampyronight

That's something to consider- we don't know if they've toughened the points system for games or not. Frankly, we haven't seen enough game rates to really be sure. But I will say, look at "the bad" for Bioshock....hardly anything close to being pretty bad, and it still wound up with a 9.0.

If MP3 turns out to be MP but with Wii controls, while you might love it, game design has advanced and they will expect more out of it. It's similar to Zelda:TP- it was basically OoT v2, and while OoT was a 10 in 97...it's not a 10 anymore, graphics aside.

So no, it's not a bias against the Wii (or any system), it's an expectation that developers will produce true next-gen games that couldn't be done last time around. Not many games have done that so far.

But you cant do MP 3 on the Gc or any system for that matter. its odvious that there was a great deal of time put into IR.

its not just tacked on.

lol, diss the Wii all you want...but the sales show just how good the console is...as for MP3, the Reviewers have to keep in mind the inferior hardware...and NOT compare them to 360/PS3 titles, concerning visuals...cause thats just BS.

so if some one flops MP3 they bias against the Wii?

Tnasty11

apparently so

lol, diss the Wii all you want...but the sales show just how good the console is...as for MP3, the Reviewers have to keep in mind the inferior hardware...and NOT compare them to 360/PS3 titles, concerning visuals...cause thats just BS.

-Maddog-

Agreed. It's just stupid, every preview I look it's getting compared to Halo, I mean... WTF?

gamespot has said that reviews are not compared to what is offered on other consoles, or else psp or ds couldn't possibly score high taking graphics being considered.

Before you say that this favors the wii unfavorably because it wont get punished for graphics inferiority, remember that the other consoles won't be punished for what the wii offers either. No fanboy response like "the WII doesn't give anyhting!" because it does. Wiisports shows this, as well as RE4 and many other titles.

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

lol, diss the Wii all you want...but the sales show just how good the console is...as for MP3, the Reviewers have to keep in mind the inferior hardware...and NOT compare them to 360/PS3 titles, concerning visuals...cause thats just BS.

Eponique

Agreed. It's just stupid, every preview I look it's getting compared to Halo, I mean... WTF?

Tell me about it....If everyone reviews games like that, Then every Wii game is sure to flop. The score needs to be based around what the console can actually do at a realistic level and rate it high, if that particular game is impressive for a console like Wii and compared to other Wii titles NOT 360/PS3 ones.

Aswell as the Story/gameplay etc etc, Which MP3 seems to have covered NICELY.

MP3 as a FPA is in a league of its own and stands out, compared to many FPS...You won't find that experience on a PS3/360...FACT!

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Iorning_board"]Yes it is, I am feeling the same way at the moment. If MP3 doesnt score better than the incomplete (but still great) SPM or Wario Ware then there is a real problem with GS.Vampyronight

That's something to consider- we don't know if they've toughened the points system for games or not. Frankly, we haven't seen enough game rates to really be sure. But I will say, look at "the bad" for Bioshock....hardly anything close to being pretty bad, and it still wound up with a 9.0.

If MP3 turns out to be MP but with Wii controls, while you might love it, game design has advanced and they will expect more out of it. It's similar to Zelda:TP- it was basically OoT v2, and while OoT was a 10 in 97...it's not a 10 anymore, graphics aside.

So no, it's not a bias against the Wii (or any system), it's an expectation that developers will produce true next-gen games that couldn't be done last time around. Not many games have done that so far.

MP3 however is looking to be more of a complete package than the two I mentioned, which scored a 8.8 and a 9.0 respectively.

Out of these three titles MP3 looks to be in a league of its own and its guaranteed to be the title Wii owners are still talking about at the end of the gen... I just dont thing it will get a fair, accurate or informed review...Have they even tried the Advanced settings yet?

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Iorning_board"]Yes it is, I am feeling the same way at the moment. If MP3 doesnt score better than the incomplete (but still great) SPM or Wario Ware then there is a real problem with GS.jessmo30_basic

That's something to consider- we don't know if they've toughened the points system for games or not. Frankly, we haven't seen enough game rates to really be sure. But I will say, look at "the bad" for Bioshock....hardly anything close to being pretty bad, and it still wound up with a 9.0.

If MP3 turns out to be MP but with Wii controls, while you might love it, game design has advanced and they will expect more out of it. It's similar to Zelda:TP- it was basically OoT v2, and while OoT was a 10 in 97...it's not a 10 anymore, graphics aside.

So no, it's not a bias against the Wii (or any system), it's an expectation that developers will produce true next-gen games that couldn't be done last time around. Not many games have done that so far.

But you cant do MP 3 on the Gc or any system for that matter. its odvious that there was a great deal of time put into IR.

its not just tacked on.

First, let me just say, I'm not judging MP3 myself right now.

So let's run down the list...what makes MP3 different?

-Different controls.....may make a difference (some reviewers would just chalk that up to the Wii itself and not applaud the game specifically)

-Voice acting...ok

-Arguably better graphics (I haven't seen enough to say for sure myself)

But what about things like world/level design? Did they not only do the basics of controlling Samus well, but also use them effectively in the design of the worlds to make it fresh? Is the music new and great, or is it just remixed tunes from older games? Did the game try anything new in terms of missions, and if so, did it succeed? How's the AI?

There are more questions, but I think we can agree that nobody really knows the answers to these right now. It could fall flat on all of those...and if it did, I'm sure you'd agree that it's deserving of a flopping score. I suspect that it will be a game that at the very least, if you're interested in it, you'll enjoy it thoroughly. But whether it does more of the same with Wii controls or does something new and amazing will be what decides if it's AA or AAA.

Gamespot have rated many Wii games highly, including titles like Zelda, Warioware and SPM. They also appreciate the more radical games that are still quality like Trauma Center.

Why are you babies getting so upset? It is not Gamespot's fault if MP3 is not good enough, it is the developers fault. If Retro can make this a fiting end to the series with a spectacular single player experience then good for them. If not then it should still be a very good game. Either Way Gamespot will rate the game accordingly

and all you cowards complaining about Warioware, it is the best use of the wiimote so far and probabby the best minigame collection ever made. It deserved its score

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Iorning_board"]Yes it is, I am feeling the same way at the moment. If MP3 doesnt score better than the incomplete (but still great) SPM or Wario Ware then there is a real problem with GS.Iorning_board

That's something to consider- we don't know if they've toughened the points system for games or not. Frankly, we haven't seen enough game rates to really be sure. But I will say, look at "the bad" for Bioshock....hardly anything close to being pretty bad, and it still wound up with a 9.0.

If MP3 turns out to be MP but with Wii controls, while you might love it, game design has advanced and they will expect more out of it. It's similar to Zelda:TP- it was basically OoT v2, and while OoT was a 10 in 97...it's not a 10 anymore, graphics aside.

So no, it's not a bias against the Wii (or any system), it's an expectation that developers will produce true next-gen games that couldn't be done last time around. Not many games have done that so far.

MP3 however is looking to be more of a complete package than the two I mentioned, which scored a 8.8 and a 9.0 respectively.

Out of these three titles MP3 looks to be in a league of its own and its guaranteed to be the title Wii owners are still talking about at the end of the gen... I just dont thing it will get a fair, accurate or informed review...Have they even tried the Advanced settings yet?

True, but there are many things we don't know about the game (see my other post) that could also effect the score. I think it still winds up AAA myself, just that there's more to consider. Also, it's just a preview, and as such, they're under no obligation to try the different control settings. If you see it in the review, then I think it's an appropriate issue to raise.

But like I said, there's a lot more aspects to consider about a game. The biggest flaw a sequel can have is feeling like "more of the same." And in my personal opinion, Nintendo-developed games have stagnated in gameplay design for a long while. It's clear that there was some new aspects added to MP3, but if the reviewer feels like it's a last gen game for the most part, then that could severely affect the score, depending on who does the reviews.

Gamespot have rated many Wii games highly, including titles like Zelda, Warioware and SPM. They also appreciate the more radical games that are still quality like Trauma Center.

Why are you babies getting so upset? It is not Gamespot's fault if MP3 is not good enough, it is the developers fault. If Retro can make this a fiting end to the series with a spectacular single player experience then good for them. If not then it should still be a very good game. Either Way Gamespot will rate the game accordingly

and all you cowards complaining about Warioware, it is the best use of the wiimote so far and probabby the best minigame collection ever made. It deserved its score

bulletmath

Yes, I know what Gamespot says goes. But let's have a scenario anyway. Let's pretend MP3 scores 9.5 everywhere else, and gets 8 here. Now, MP3 flops here per system rules standards. Does that mean though that the game is TRULY only an 8 quality-wise because one site rated it much lower than all the other sites? I don't think so...

Here's how I see it...

Metroid Prime 3 seems to be an amazing game on it's own merit. I mean, it rivals MP and MP2 according to IGN. So far, a lot of games have been demolished in reviews for terrible controls. If these controls are near perfect, shouldn't this score extremely well? The graphics look like some of the best or the best on Wii. I'm not sure how GS can legitimately give this AA.

Yes, I know what Gamespot says goes. But let's have a scenario anyway. Let's pretend MP3 scores 9.5 everywhere else, and gets 8 here. Now, MP3 flops here per system rules standards. Does that mean though that the game is TRULY only an 8 quality-wise because one site rated it much lower than all the other sites? I don't think so...

AvIdGaMeR444

It may just be that Gamespot didn't fall for the hype or let themselves be influenced by the series' pedigree. I would think that this was the case, especially if other respectable review sources like EDGE took a similar view. If they were alone oin their assertion that it was not a great game then maybe i'd have cause to doubt them.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Yes, I know what Gamespot says goes. But let's have a scenario anyway. Let's pretend MP3 scores 9.5 everywhere else, and gets 8 here. Now, MP3 flops here per system rules standards. Does that mean though that the game is TRULY only an 8 quality-wise because one site rated it much lower than all the other sites? I don't think so...

bulletmath

It may just be that Gamespot didn't fall for the hype or let themselves be influenced by the series' pedigree. I would think that this was the case, especially if other respectable review sources like EDGE took a similar view. If they were alone oin their assertion that it was not a great game then maybe i'd have cause to doubt them.

Or could be that GS reviewers are stupid?

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Yes, I know what Gamespot says goes. But let's have a scenario anyway. Let's pretend MP3 scores 9.5 everywhere else, and gets 8 here. Now, MP3 flops here per system rules standards. Does that mean though that the game is TRULY only an 8 quality-wise because one site rated it much lower than all the other sites? I don't think so...

bulletmath

It may just be that Gamespot didn't fall for the hype or let themselves be influenced by the series' pedigree. I would think that this was the case, especially if other respectable review sources like EDGE took a similar view. If they were alone oin their assertion that it was not a great game then maybe i'd have cause to doubt them.

Funny. A few weeks back everyone was complaining that there was absolutely no Metroid hype. I see what you mean about the "pedigree". Although I would think its strange if it gets good ratings everywhere but here.

Or could be that GS reviewers are stupid?

Dencore

They're generally quite good with Wii games and i dont think i've disagreed with them yet

Funny. A few weeks back everyone was complaining that there was absolutely no Metroid hype. I see what you mean about the "pedigree". Although I would think its strange if it gets good ratings everywhere but here.

Kaze_no_Mirai

Amongst proper gamers Metroid Prime is far more respected than Halo. Halo is the domain of uninformed schoolchildren. Metroid Prime was a true masterpiece. As for Gamespot, a unique opinion is not necesssarily an uninformed one

They're generally quite good with Wii games and i dont think i've disagreed with them yet

bulletmath

9.1

8.8

[QUOTE="bulletmath"]

They're generally quite good with Wii games and i dont think i've disagreed with them yet

Dencore

9.1

8.8

Zelda should be higher, but WarioWare should stay the same. It's an awesome game on it's own right.

It seems like some publishers are dead set against the wii, even comparing the graphics of Mp:3 to the 360 in some previews.

Im concerned that some game sites are trying to make public opinion anbout wii rather than reviewing games on there merit.

If Mp:3 scores a 8.0 then there is odviouly a deep seated biased twoards the console in genral and I dont see any game getting a fair shot.

is this a good point?

jessmo30_basic

nope. i'd be surprised if it gets anything less than a 10, if games like gears of war and perfect dark zero get above a 9.

i doubt it will be flopped. all signs indicate this will be a great game and solid AAA title. nintendo has been working on this game for a while and has had plenty of time to fine tune it and make sure it is up to standard.

besides, the best thing to go by is the average review score the game receives, rather than just gamespot's score. some people act like gamespot is somehow a 'special' authority on gaming and like it's opinions carry more weight than anyone else's. i really have no idea what they base that on. when you read impressions of the finished product, the overwhelming majority are extremely positive. the bioshock and zelda reviews clearly show that gamespot reviews can be overly harsh and not in line with most people's opinions.

[QUOTE="bulletmath"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Yes, I know what Gamespot says goes. But let's have a scenario anyway. Let's pretend MP3 scores 9.5 everywhere else, and gets 8 here. Now, MP3 flops here per system rules standards. Does that mean though that the game is TRULY only an 8 quality-wise because one site rated it much lower than all the other sites? I don't think so...

Dencore

It may just be that Gamespot didn't fall for the hype or let themselves be influenced by the series' pedigree. I would think that this was the case, especially if other respectable review sources like EDGE took a similar view. If they were alone oin their assertion that it was not a great game then maybe i'd have cause to doubt them.

Or could be that GS reviewers are stupid?

Here's how I see it...

Metroid Prime 3 seems to be an amazing game on it's own merit. I mean, it rivals MP and MP2 according to IGN. So far, a lot of games have been demolished in reviews for terrible controls. If these controls are near perfect, shouldn't this score extremely well? The graphics look like some of the best or the best on Wii. I'm not sure how GS can legitimately give this AA.

Homesrfan

[QUOTE="bulletmath"]

They're generally quite good with Wii games and i dont think i've disagreed with them yet

Dencore

9.1

8.8

[QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="bulletmath"]

They're generally quite good with Wii games and i dont think i've disagreed with them yet

Shinobishyguy

9.1

8.8

[QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="bulletmath"]

They're generally quite good with Wii games and i dont think i've disagreed with them yet

Shinobishyguy

9.1

8.8

I think what reviewers have to keep in mind when reviewing wii games is the expectations of the controls. It may be an extra burden against the platform out of the others but imo justifiable. It may explain the differences in many peoples' opinions- expectations.

so if some one flops MP3 they bias against the Wii?

Tnasty11

No. If they flop almost every game for a reason as superficial like comparing graphics to the 360 and such(like they did on N64 with Mario kart, Diddy Kong Racing, and every thrid party game because the graphics had anti-aliasing) then they are entitled to being called biased.