If Sony releases a really powerful PS4..

Remember when Sony said they wont release PS4 until there is a "signicicant leap"?

Well my question is if they do release a really powerful console do you think that would be bad for Sony?

Because I hear a lot of people here saying how Sony is in financial trouble and it would be the end of them if they took this approach.

Only lems,herms and sheeps say sony is doomed, they are far from it

sony is d00med

The PS3 has been successful, and if they just followed a good business plan (don't overprice it, don't put it out a year after the 720, don't put in so much tech they lose money on it for every one sold, etc.) then they'd be dumb not to do that. They have a good following and a ton of first party titles, plus its pretty much been confirmed they're working on it along with Microsoft.

Besides, if Microsoft gave up after the first Xbox was such a massive bomb, they wouldn't have had the success they got with the 360. Same with Nintendo and the Gamecube not doing great, and in both those cases their console did significantly worse then Sony's, so I doubt Sony would quit gaming when its the thing they're doing the best at.

It'll be powerful enough, what do you mean by really powerful?

I think Sony will do it it, but they wont make it overly complicated like they did with the PS3, that was really it's downfall. It would have won from the outset, if it wasn't as complicated, because all the developers from the PS2 era would have naturally moved on to the PS3.

And they need to stop using the console to Trojan horse technology, they can't afford that now.

I think power won't be the determining factor in the next-gen consoles.

If they do, ill buy it.

A lesson from the PS3 is that many people are not going to buy a console costing more than £400. Sony should be smart enough to price the PS4 lower than that. £300 - £350 is fine but not over £400! PS4 will of course be getting tons of games unlike the Xbox.

As a PC gamer, I'm not going to spend too much for a console as I feel upgrading the graphics card and stuff in my PC are more worthwhile investment.

The PS3 lost sony most of their profits from the PS1 and 2 they can't afford to release another overpriced console.

A lesson from the PS3 is that many people are not going to buy a console costing more than £400. Sony should be smart enough to price the PS4 lower than that. £300 - £350 is fine but not over £400! PS4 will of course be getting tons of games unlike the Xbox.

As a PC gamer, I'm not going to spend too much for a console as I feel upgrading the graphics card and stuff in my PC are more worthwhile investment.

GamerwillzPS

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A lesson from the PS3 is that many people are not going to buy a console costing more than £400. Sony should be smart enough to price the PS4 lower than that. £300 - £350 is fine but not over £400! PS4 will of course be getting tons of games unlike the Xbox.

As a PC gamer, I'm not going to spend too much for a console as I feel upgrading the graphics card and stuff in my PC are more worthwhile investment.

rrjim1

The 360 has no games and PS3 has tons. There's the difference.

I imagine that it'll be fairly powerful but definately not cutting edge. If they release in 2014 with tech comparible to a desktop PC costing around $800 to $900 today. It'll be a meaty beastie and should still be reasonably priced. Maybe $400 (depending on how much money they plan on making of each unit sold). Still there's a lot of problems with heat to overcome before they can put that kind of tech in a PS sized box. There are of course decent laptop chip sets available but they are generally much less powerful than desktops in the same price bracket.

Absolutely no point in anybody dreaming that it'll be top of the range cutting edge hardware, firstly it would be way too expensive and secondly it will not fit under your TV, there's a reason PC desktop cases are generally quite large.

A powerful system means that it will cost more to develop, which will in turn mean that the price of the console will go up and possibly be over the $400 benchmark so that they can see a profit. So to put it short with Sony's financial situation at the current time, if Sony releases a powerful console, Sony Gaming Division will die.

Sony cannot afford to bring out a landmark console that is more risk than reward, there company as a whole is down across the board so money cannot be thrown around as easily as Microsoft may be able to do it. Hate to say it but if Sony want to bring out the most powerful system than they better have a ace up there sleeve or Microsoft and Nintendo are going to take them to the cleaners.

I think I will stick to my prediction that Sony will put alot of their eggs in the basket that is the PS4, basicly like it is going now, Sony will go away (as we know it) and end up selling life ensurance or something like that.

So in a bid to attract alot of people to the next PS, they will (and likely can) not settle for something that is not fairly powerful.

But saying that it will not be powerful, and saying that it will be what some people on these boards think it will be capable of, are two videly different things.

In alot of ways I think that the PS4 will make or break Sony, or atleast alot of sections in Sony, if it sells well, it gives Sony a much needed foot in the door for alot of their branches, it might give them a steady flow of cash, if it fails to live up to expectations however, if it is less powerful then the competition (by a natocible margin) has a worse UI, or have too many technical glitches, then the money invested in the PS4, even now miniscule, will hurt Sony ALOT.

Basicly they can not afford to fail at this point, and it is not even a joke. They litteraly can't.

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A lesson from the PS3 is that many people are not going to buy a console costing more than £400. Sony should be smart enough to price the PS4 lower than that. £300 - £350 is fine but not over £400! PS4 will of course be getting tons of games unlike the Xbox.

As a PC gamer, I'm not going to spend too much for a console as I feel upgrading the graphics card and stuff in my PC are more worthwhile investment.

GamerwillzPS

The 360 has no games and PS3 has tons. There's the difference.

lol I knew this would turn into a PS vs Xbox thread.

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[QUOTE="rrjim1"] When are we going to see this so called TONS of GAMES???????????????????TheDidact

The 360 has no games and PS3 has tons. There's the difference.

This is PlayStation we're talking about! They love games and have tons of 1st party devs.

Anybody with half a brain can see Sony needs money badly. They released a fugly, cheap ps3 and raised the price!!!! That sounds like a money issue to me. So releasing a powerful, expensive ps4 isn't going to happen. It will be a middle of the road when it comes to power and price. The whole industry has learned a lesson from Sonys pricing disaster. I don't see MS releasing a expensive console either, and obviously Nintendo stayed away from a high price point as well. todd2r_Partdeux

[QUOTE="TheDidact"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

The 360 has no games and PS3 has tons. There's the difference.

GamerwillzPS

This is PlayStation we're talking about! They love games and have tons of 1st party devs.

[QUOTE="todd2r_Partdeux"]Anybody with half a brain can see Sony needs money badly. They released a fugly, cheap ps3 and raised the price!!!! That sounds like a money issue to me. So releasing a powerful, expensive ps4 isn't going to happen. It will be a middle of the road when it comes to power and price. The whole industry has learned a lesson from Sonys pricing disaster. I don't see MS releasing a expensive console either, and obviously Nintendo stayed away from a high price point as well. GamingGod999

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[QUOTE="TheDidact"]How do you know the PS4 is getting tons of games while the next Xbox is getting none? Can you deduce this from PS3's incredible holiday lineup of PS All-Stars and LBP Karting and the 360's measly lineup of Halo 4 and Forza Horizon?TheDidact

This is PlayStation we're talking about! They love games and have tons of 1st party devs.

Remember when Sony said they wont release PS4 until there is a "signicicant leap"?

Well my question is if they do release a really powerful console do you think that would be bad for Sony?

Because I hear a lot of people here saying how Sony is in financial trouble and it would be the end of them if they took this approach.

EnergyAbsorber

Remember when Sony said they wont release PS4 until there is a "signicicant leap"?

Well my question is if they do release a really powerful console do you think that would be bad for Sony?

Because I hear a lot of people here saying how Sony is in financial trouble and it would be the end of them if they took this approach.

EnergyAbsorber

I'm buying it no matter the price, day fuking 1. It will be my first ever launch console. It's gonna be SICK. Heil68

How do you know the PS4 is getting tons of games while the next Xbox is getting none? Can you deduce this from PS3's incredible holiday lineup of PS All-Stars and LBP Karting and the 360's measly lineup of Halo 4 and Forza Horizon?TheDidact

I hope theyy realize that they'll never be able to create a system that isn't outdated affter 3 years. So instead of focussing on useless power they should focuss on stuff that matters. Nintendo did a good job with the WiiU

[QUOTE="TheDidact"]How do you know the PS4 is getting tons of games while the next Xbox is getting none? Can you deduce this from PS3's incredible holiday lineup of PS All-Stars and LBP Karting and the 360's measly lineup of Halo 4 and Forza Horizon?tormentos

The point is, the PS3 doesn't have this massive lineup of high quality games this year. It has a few good retail games like PS Allstars and LBP Karting, along with a few great PSN titles like Journey and Ratchet. But to say that the quality of the lineup is miles better than the 360 is very ignorant, especially if you're saying the 360 is getting none.

Twisted Metal and Starhawk are both mediocre. Ratchet will be great as always (although I wish they'd make another mainline game like ACIT) PS Allstars has a very dissapointing roster so I'm pretty skeptical of the game, LBP has a great community so I'll probably pick up LBP Karting, which isn't a new franchise, it's a spin off. Even your pod looks the same as LBP2.

The point is, the PS3 doesn't have this massive lineup of high quality games this year. It has a few good retail games like PS Allstars and LBP Karting, along with a few great PSN titles like Journey and Ratchet. But to say that the quality of the lineup is miles better than the 360 is very ignorant, especially if you're saying the 360 is getting none.

TheDidact

sony is d00med.

Look. FACT

PS1 generation was good sold nicely, Nintendo 64 was off its game and did not sell as well, Sega was crazy with Saturn was a mess. But sales this gen were good still.

After that PS2 generation was GREAT. Sales for PS2 were very high as more people played Hardcore and casual. Increased sales was great for the whole games industry.

This gen sales are down, across the board. The games that do sale are standard not bringing anything new. Other games and game developers are closing faster than ever.

Next gen will be a disapointment. This gen will continue on for a while. Longer than Last gen. PS2 outsold Xbox in 2005 and did very well in 2006. After that sales droped. Games were made for both generations in the begining. For next gen this will also happen. But if the differences are not great then I do not see high sales like last gen or this gen.

By next year when next gen consoles go on sale this gen prices will drop to 200.00 with a huge libriary and if sales of the console continue the games will continue to be made at the very least for the first 2 years. But if sales are high then they will stay with this gen games for many non HardCore people.

Thus, unlike this gen the first to market will not be the leader unless they have huge leap in tech, which will cost a lot for the few Hardcore gamers still out there.

[QUOTE="TheDidact"]Twisted Metal and Starhawk are both mediocre. Ratchet will be great as always (although I wish they'd make another mainline game like ACIT) PS Allstars has a very dissapointing roster so I'm pretty skeptical of the game, LBP has a great community so I'll probably pick up LBP Karting, which isn't a new franchise, it's a spin off. Even your pod looks the same as LBP2.

The point is, the PS3 doesn't have this massive lineup of high quality games this year. It has a few good retail games like PS Allstars and LBP Karting, along with a few great PSN titles like Journey and Ratchet. But to say that the quality of the lineup is miles better than the 360 is very ignorant, especially if you're saying the 360 is getting none.

tormentos

sony is d00med.

platniumgamer

New avatar pic is great platnium.

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Remember when Sony said they wont release PS4 until there is a "signicicant leap"?

Well my question is if they do release a really powerful console do you think that would be bad for Sony?

Because I hear a lot of people here saying how Sony is in financial trouble and it would be the end of them if they took this approach.

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

TRUE Sony was in such a HURRY to launch their turd that it fell WELL short of expectations!!! The PS3 IS GIMPED!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sony should have WAITED!!! why ....

1. bettter bluray (when launched they had a hard time with materials, parts so it cost More) 2X is crap 4X or higher would have been a lot better and very low or no LOAD TIMES!!!!
2. CPU was gimped 7 spus at 3.2 Ghz?!!! should have waited and gotten a better Cell. All 8 cells working at 4.2+ GHz
3. and WORST of all was the tacked on GPU!!! Nvidia?!!! Give me a break. MS did not dump them because they were great!!!! Sony could have gotten a BETTER ATI chip than Xbox if they waited.
4. 512MB of memory?!! sad joke again more memory for less $$$ 1GB at least if Sony waited.

IF Sony did not just try to worry about compeating with Xbox 360 PS3 would have launched when ready in 2007 or 2008 at the latest. With a MUCH better console at the same price or LESS!!!

PS3 did not crap out due to 1 year after!!!!! look at the sales numbers for Xbox 360 not good at all. So if Sony had waited and had the better console LIKE THEY CLAIMED then they could hve made up the sames in NO TIME at all. BUT NO they launched with a GIMPED TURD and look what happned!!!

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sony is d00med.

MSXBOX4EVER

New avatar pic is great platnium.

you and i are going to rule system wars one day.

loving the sig.

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"][QUOTE="EnergyAbsorber"]

Remember when Sony said they wont release PS4 until there is a "signicicant leap"?

Well my question is if they do release a really powerful console do you think that would be bad for Sony?

Because I hear a lot of people here saying how Sony is in financial trouble and it would be the end of them if they took this approach.

Ravenlore_basic

TRUE Sony was in such a HURRY to launch their turd that it fell WELL short of expectations!!! The PS3 IS GIMPED!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sony should have WAITED!!! why ....

1. bettter bluray (when launched they had a hard time with materials, parts so it cost More) 2X is crap 4X or higher would have been a lot better and very low or no LOAD TIMES!!!!
2. CPU was gimped 7 spus at 3.2 Ghz?!!! should have waited and gotten a better Cell. All 8 cells working at 4.2+ GHz
3. and WORST of all was the tacked on GPU!!! Nvidia?!!! Give me a break. MS did not dump them because they were great!!!! Sony could have gotten a BETTER ATI chip than Xbox if they waited.
4. 512MB of memory?!! sad joke again more memory for less $$$ 1GB at least if Sony waited.

IF Sony did not just try to worry about compeating with Xbox 360 PS3 would have launched when ready in 2007 or 2008 at the latest. With a MUCH better console at the same price or LESS!!!

PS3 did not crap out due to 1 year after!!!!! look at the sales numbers for Xbox 360 not good at all. So if Sony had waited and had the better console LIKE THEY CLAIMED then they could hve made up the sames in NO TIME at all. BUT NO they launched with a GIMPED TURD and look what happned!!!

Games better be running at 1080p native... I'm tired of all these ultra low native resolution games on consoles, I tried played MOHW on X360 just to get an idea of what the game is like and I could barely see anything because the image is upscaled from what could easily be mistaken for a native resolution of 240p. Arcade games, fighting games, etc. don't seem to suffer from this however but I'd like if visibility was less of an issue for 3D games on consoles, I think a reasonable native resolution for games would fix a lot of that.Zubinen

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I'm buying it no matter the price, day fuking 1. It will be my first ever launch console. It's gonna be SICK. TheDidact

If they do then, the only thing I can think about is... 999US Dollars!