If The 360 Was Released On The Same Day As The PS3

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Well, I think the PS3 would definitely be ahead in sales if that happened.

Well, I think the PS3 would definitely be ahead in sales if that happened.

cloudff7tm

[QUOTE="cloudff7tm"]

Well, I think the PS3 would definitely be ahead in sales if that happened.

call_of_duty_10

And despite that, it is only a few million behind 360 now (I think 3 million) and that is with the year head start.

Imagine if they released at the same time how small the gap would be. So yes.

Then people would've had the choice of buying a RRoD-free next gen (current gen) system, which probabyl would have benefitted Sony. I think the PS3 would be ahead by about a million or so now.

If it still cost 600 dollars, no.

*sighs* stop using what if's to justify your ps3 purchase.

one of the 360's advantages was its head start, so I'm sure that if it was released at the same time as PS3, then PS3 would have sold more.

I think it would be doing slightly worse.

If the PS3 had released at the same time it would have had 0 games, have been more expensive than it was and would have flopped hard.

Shaaa...and then maybe blue monkeys would fly out my butt!!!!!

What's next for PS3 fanboys? A Wayne's World alternate Scooby Doo ending? Get over it! All three consoles are affordable right now and each has it's pros and cons. No matter what happens in the last third of this generation MS and Nintendo have eaten into Sony's market share and Sony has managed to launch a new video medium through one of their consoles.

whoo, off to the land of make-believe. You could of at least listed some conditions for your fictional story.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]If 360 released later it would probably be more powerful, less likely to suffer from RROD, may have even sported a BR drive. If PS3 had release earlier it would likely be less powerful, many of its key games would be an additional year off, and probably wouldn't have had the BR drive. Point is, this is meaningless to discuss.locopatho

I disagree. The PS3's specs didn't benefit from it's year wait, it was delayed because of lack in manufactured Blu ray parts. It would still be as powerful, just probably have a lot less available for it's launch. It would have the same powerful games, probably sooner since devs would have a dev kit sooner.

The 360 would not be any more powerful, MAYBE it would be less buggy but that's assuming they knew about the problem AHEAD of time and weren't surprised at launch. They are not gonna change the specs of a system a YEAR before launch.

What if the Xbox 360 had better exclusives? What if Nintendo didn't focus on motion control and pack every wii with wii sports? What if PS3 had been released at a cheaper price? What if what if what if?

imo i would think doing better or the same wouldnt be a option...i think itd do the same MINUS 1 year...ppl who want it still going to get it...then again alot of ppl got the 360 just cuz it came out first...i still honestly believe that 360 sales being higher then ps3 for so long was due to the fact ALOT of 360 owners went through more then one console...my friend went through 7...someone told me online 11 1 time but that was a lil hard to believe

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]If 360 released later it would probably be more powerful, less likely to suffer from RROD, may have even sported a BR drive. If PS3 had release earlier it would likely be less powerful, many of its key games would be an additional year off, and probably wouldn't have had the BR drive. Point is, this is meaningless to discuss.Javy03

I disagree. The PS3's specs didn't benefit from it's year wait, it was delayed because of lack in manufactured Blu ray parts. It would still be as powerful, just probably have a lot less available for it's launch. It would have the same powerful games, probably sooner since devs would have a dev kit sooner.

The 360 would not be any more powerful, MAYBE it would be less buggy but that's assuming they knew about the problem AHEAD of time and weren't surprised at launch. They are not gonna change the specs of a system a YEAR before launch.

It wouldn't have RROD and Perfect Dark Zero wouldn't be rushed at least.

Why not? Stick in a better gfx card or more RAM or something. Tech moves very quickly, they hardly gonna design it then sit on their ass for a year doing nothing?locopatho

There is a lot of R&D that goes into deciding the specs of a console. Deals and specs are done WELL in advance. By the last year before the console is released they are not going to be changing the specs, they are going to be working on getting that sucker mass produced and ready to hit the shelves. It's not as easy as a single PC gamer upping his gfx card and ram, this is a multimillion dollar company selling their product at a LOSS and making deals with production well in advance to meet deadlines promised. Changing specson the last yeardrastically changes a lot of things like production costs, availability and would probably delay a product for another 1-2 years.

At most the 360 could have released less buggy and even then I am not sure seeing as how long it took them to get the RROD under control and acknowledged. My assumption is that RROD was a design issue that probably wouldn't have shown it's head in R&D but after 1 million consoles hit the market.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Why not? Stick in a better gfx card or more RAM or something. Tech moves very quickly, they hardly gonna design it then sit on their ass for a year doing nothing?Javy03

There is a lot of R&D that goes into deciding the specs of a console. Deals and specs are done WELL in advance. By the last year before the console is released they are not going to be changing the specs, they are going to be working on getting that sucker mass produced and ready to hit the shelves. It's not as easy as a single PC gamer upping his gfx card and ram, this is a multimillion dollar company selling their product at a LOSS and making deals with production well in advance to meet deadlines promised. Changing specson the last yeardrastically changes a lot of things like production costs, availability and would probably delay a product for another 1-2 years.

At most the 360 could have released less buggy and even then I am not sure seeing as how long it took them to get the RROD under control and acknowledged. My assumption is that RROD was a design issue that probably wouldn't have shown it's head in R&D but after 1 million consoles hit the market.

So you are/were on the R&D team? Otherwise, your timeline is just speculation.navyguy21

Obviously it's speculation just like everyone's post in this thread and even the thread topic. However looking at how the PS3 was delayed for 1 year because it was trying to implement new tech, Blu ray, and the parts were in short supply it seems obvious that changing specs last minute would cause even greater delays. Not to mention that within that extra year the PS3's specs didn't change and these companies have to make deals with manufacturers for things in bulk WELL in advance.

I am pretty sure the reason MS, Sony and Nintendo start planning their next console early in the current console's life cycle instead of waiting to last minute is because this process takes a lot of time and a lot of investment. Shoving in some more expensive parts last minute doesn't seem like something that would happen. Especially when selling your hardware at a loss.

[Shoving in some more expensive parts last minute doesn't seem like something that would happen. Especially when selling your hardware at a loss.

Javy03

that's what happened with sony, where do you think it's GPU came from?

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[Shoving in some more expensive parts last minute doesn't seem like something that would happen. Especially when selling your hardware at a loss.

that's what happened with sony, where do you think it's GPU came from?

If they were the same prices they were at launch, 360 would run roughshot over it I think.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[Shoving in some more expensive parts last minute doesn't seem like something that would happen. Especially when selling your hardware at a loss.

Javy03

that's what happened with sony, where do you think it's GPU came from?

I think so, wasn't originally the PS3 going to use a second cell processor as it's GPU?

*sighs* stop using what if's to justify your ps3 purchase.

WilliamRLBaker

What if thePS had a BR drive so I could watch movies. Oh wait

What if the PS3 had the best looking games on any console. Oh wait

What if the PS3had free online play. Oh wait

What if the PS3 had the best exclusives. Oh wait

Yea I dont really think I have to use what ifs.

If they were the same prices they were at launch, 360 would run roughshot over it I think.

XboximusPrime

^This. There was no other reason that the PS3 couldn't beat the Xbox360 at its launch other than price. If both consoles released at the same time at current their launch price then it would be an even bigger embarassment. The PS3 would still be in last place and the cows main excuse of why the PS3 is behind would be gone.

I think so, wasn't originally the PS3 going to use a second cell processor as it's GPU?

ohthemanatee

I don't think so. Here is a May 2005 article on the PS3's specs and it doesn't look like that was the case.

http://kotaku.com/103733/playstation-3-full-specs

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

I think so, wasn't originally the PS3 going to use a second cell processor as it's GPU?

Javy03

I don't think so. Here is a May 2005 article on the PS3's specs and it doesn't look like that was the case.

http://kotaku.com/103733/playstation-3-full-specs

well I did find this:

"the PS3 Sony wanted to have a technology advantage so they developed, in conjunction with Toshiba and IBM, the Cell processor. A clean sheet design with many innovations this took $400 million and four years to develop. The intention was to use two of these in the PS3, one as CPU and one as GPU. However at the last minute Sony realised that the Cell GPU wasn't up to the job so they went to nVidia and bought their 7800GTX GPU."

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*sighs* stop using what if's to justify your ps3 purchase.

What if thePS had a BR drive so I could watch movies. Oh wait

What if the PS3 had the best looking games on any console. Oh wait

What if the PS3had free online play. Oh wait

What if the PS3 had the best exclusives. Oh wait

Yea I dont really think I have to use what ifs.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

If they were the same prices they were at launch, 360 would run roughshot over it I think.

OneLazyAsian

^This. There was no other reason that the PS3 couldn't beat the Xbox360 at its launch other than price. If both consoles released at the same time at current their launch price then it would be an even bigger embarassment. The PS3 would still be in last place and the cows main excuse of why the PS3 is behind would be gone.

I doubt that. Yes price would play a role in sales but seeing as the PS3 outsells the 360 every year worldwide and it's still more expensive means that there a big demand for it and if they launched at the same time the 360 would OBVIOUSLY be behind in overall sales. Not to mention the fact that the 360 having an already established nice library plus a couple solid franchise timed exclusives like Bioshock, Oblivion, Dead Rising, etc helped it's appeal to gamers who wanted a new console and couldn't wait for the PS3. That's one less holiday batch of holiday sales with no competition for the 360.

If they launched at the same time devs would have had BOTH a 360 and PS3 dev kit at the same time and wouldn't have left it out of game releases like Condemned, etc. So the 360 would have been dependent more on 1st party companies and GEOW which as we see now can't compete with the PS3's 1st party and some 3rd party exclusives.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

I think so, wasn't originally the PS3 going to use a second cell processor as it's GPU?

I don't think so. Here is a May 2005 article on the PS3's specs and it doesn't look like that was the case.

http://kotaku.com/103733/playstation-3-full-specs

well I did find this:

"the PS3 Sony wanted to have a technology advantage so they developed, in conjunction with Toshiba and IBM, the Cell processor. A clean sheet design with many innovations this took $400 million and four years to develop. The intention was to use two of these in the PS3, one as CPU and one as GPU. However at the last minute Sony realised that the Cell GPU wasn't up to the job so they went to nVidia and bought their 7800GTX GPU."

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

I don't think so. Here is a May 2005 article on the PS3's specs and it doesn't look like that was the case.

http://kotaku.com/103733/playstation-3-full-specs

Javy03

well I did find this:

"the PS3 Sony wanted to have a technology advantage so they developed, in conjunction with Toshiba and IBM, the Cell processor. A clean sheet design with many innovations this took $400 million and four years to develop. The intention was to use two of these in the PS3, one as CPU and one as GPU. However at the last minute Sony realised that the Cell GPU wasn't up to the job so they went to nVidia and bought their 7800GTX GPU."

how do you know? have you ever worked on a console?

What if you bought your PS3 at launch and had to .... wait.blue_hazy_basic

I bought a launch PS3 and had plenty of multiplats to play plus some solid exclusive. We only had to "wait" for a AAA GS exclusive. There were plenty of games to enjoy on the PS3 even before MGS4's blessed arrival. AA games and multiplatsmeant "the PS3 has no games" back in 06 and 07 but NOW that the 360 is short on exclusives AA games and multiplats are the bees knees.

Besides everyone had to wait after the launch of a new system. The 360 was running off of plenty of bad PS2 ports it's first year as well.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

I think so, wasn't originally the PS3 going to use a second cell processor as it's GPU?

Javy03

I don't think so. Here is a May 2005 article on the PS3's specs and it doesn't look like that was the case.

http://kotaku.com/103733/playstation-3-full-specs

Kinda off-topic, but thanks for this thread for reminding me about the Back to the Future Trilogy pack on Blu-ray this week or soon.