If the NX is unsuccessful, do you think Nintendo will bow out?

So in the Notafanboy thread where he claims the NX is DOA bc of the Neo...I saw a few "it's dead already" post.

It got me thinking: Holy shit....what if the NX is a failure? Will that make Nintendo do something else or completely bow out of the gaming scene.

i mean, I haven't owned a Nintendo since the GC but I don't want them to go.

They'll go mobile : (

If NX failed, Nintendo would remove it from the store shelves.

I don't know if this is still true or how much the WiiU or NX have been costing them, but in 2012:

"Buried in reams of financial data is the revelation that Nintendo have 812.8 billion Yen (£6.7/$10.5 billion) in the bank - enough for it to take a 20 billion Yen loss (£163/$257 million) every year until 2052. Then there's almost 469 billion Yen (£3.8/$6.0 billion) held in premises, equipment and investments. When that runs out - we're in the year 2075 by this point - they've got some of the most valuable intellectual property in gaming to sell off before the company goes out of business."

But I feel they are so proud that they would just do something else.

Kinda going "if you ppl don't want to try our new shit, then **** you, we're out!!"

i get that vibe from them.

Nintendo has the best exclusives yet we care less about buying their kid consoles for their so called God like exclusives

They still have a handheld market and they're expanding into the mobile market as well with the big game being Pokemon GO

@nu-flaver: I think thats just fear. When i see a game i really want, nothing gets in my way of playing it. Ill drop big money on a game like its nothing. Ill sell all that shat the next day and complain if i dont like it too.

In terms of home consoles, yes, most definitely. A smart business doesn't stay in a market after releasing two consecutive flops.

As I said before if the NX flops Nintendo will just double down on mobile.

No, they'll keep trying to hit the pot of gold the Wii got.

Yea by fail I mean like Wii U fail, not fanboy fail = 2nd place is fail. IF they have done everything with NX as much as possible & it still fails yea...I see them bowing out of console. Nintendo may end up just sticking with handheld and mobile...OR do other stuff entirely taking all their IPs with them. I doubt they will go 3rd party selling their games on MS/Sony consoles. No matter how much money they have, they still gotta answer to shareholders. :P

If Nintendo ever decided that they were going to stop building home consoles, they would probably build handheld consoles which they have been dominating since they first entered the handheld market. Nintendo has always proved that power does not equal quality in that regard. The PSP and Vita were portable powerhouses and Nintendo still came out and still is on top.

@superbuuman: With 12.5+ million and,

Wii U aint all that bad for business. Plus Xenoblade, Zelda Twilight Princess, Pokken, and Star Fox Zero...its hard out here for a pimp.

@iandizion713: 3rd party is where a chunk of money comes from. They might sell a lot of their own games, but there losing money on all that 3rd party money.

That's why when ppl talk about sales of the Wii....it's kind of wrong to think they were actually on top.

@mr_huggles_dog: Not many third party sell more then Nintendo games though. For every GTA, there is a Pokemon.

Their future is going 3rd party and making smart phone games. They can also get a nintendo store section up on PSN/XBL. They will also become a streaming service for every device available.

Nintendo will not be making anymore consoles. It makes more sense to become a service like WWE Network/Netflix.

Why make consoles that sell only 10-15 million when they can just stream/download their games to potenially billions of devices?

No, they'll keep trying until they run out of money.

But I think NX will be a success, and it doesn't have to have Wii numbers to qualify.

I think Nintendo will still be going strong when we're all dead. Not sure if they'll be meeting expectations, but they'll still be going.

@iandizion713: the sales don't matter to that extent.

It's free money in a way. A publisher and dev make the game then you get paid for allowing them to sell it on your system.

Those first party games cost Nintendo money to make so they aren't making all of that back in profit.

I'm sure Nintendo will do just fine.. A new replacement with money, and success on the mind. Wii U failed from the get go, and i'm sure they're tring their all to differ out of that underrated mess.

It will be one of the saddest days in gaming history if Nintendo dies, which isn't happening soon.

You get paid a very small amount from third-party. The studio has to make their money so they can survive. This is why Nintendo is so rich. Not only do they make good money from hardware, but they make good money from software. Nintendo has third party also and its sells good on Wii U and 3DS. Plus they have all that eShop stuff they get money from.

@iandizion713: all the consoles have different avenues such as shops, Nintendo is missing out on all those big 3rd party games.

There was a diagram a while back that showed what part of that $60 price went where.

Let's say it's only 10%.

You add up all those 3rd party games The Division, Destiny, Far Cry, Battlefront, Watchdogs....all that adds up.

The NX is a very important console launch. I don't know if Nintendo will treat it as make or break, but I think any sensible observer of trends within the industry would tell you that for Nintendo's long term prospects in the console market, it will in fact be make or break.

@mr_huggles_dog: I know, Nintendo wants them too. But this is how Nintendo moves with tech. Nintendo predicted this gen before the Wii and DS launched. They said we were moving too fast with tech. They were right in my opinion.

We have one problem though...big money. You see, big money loves to push gaming in big ways. Its hard to compete with big money, cause you know, you need big money. So when Nintendo trys to help small money out, big money get mad. Nintendo is still trying to fight big money, with big money.

Gaming is changing now. Nintendo might have a chance to put a dent in big money, and that would be by supporting multiple platforms. This could help them make big money while also helping small money out. Well know come e3 though.

Did we need to ask this question on a new thread instead of Notafanboy's thread?

Anyway, if the NX is a failure, Nintendo will try again until it would be prohibited to do so. It will not simply leave the gaming business as there more to home consoles in that market.

@onesiphorus: since it got locked and everyone knew it was going to get locked....

Yes

Don't be a sour puss.

If NX fails, I believe they will try something else. I don't think NX failure = Nintendo will never do a console again.

This comes from such a rubbish article, and it's tiring to see it continually brought up. It shows a complete failure of understanding of how a business runs. Nintendo's not sitting there doing nothing. Sure they could last that long if that were the case, but the reality is they are constantly making investments. R & D is extremely expensive, for one example. If things go very bad for Nintendo, they could be in trouble within a matter of years. Not saying one or two, but five to ten.

As much as Nintendo drives us crazy sometimes, I think the industry would be worse off if they left the console market.

Why would the company with the most recognizable gaming characters in the world bow out.

Didn't jurassic world and star wars just make billion dollars movies recently.

It's all about big retro brands nowadays.

Nintendo could re-release Dr. Mario on smartphones and that game alone is better than all the candy crush crap games on mobile and it was way more casual and addictive too with better music.

Nintendo are better than mobile dev's and they know how to make complete games since the company made ocarina of time and link to the past what has mobile done for gaming lately? oh yeah nothing.

They have the biggest brand names over everyone else so they are not going anywhere. Nintendo could put out an app that has all their games on smartphones and make more than playstation and xbox combined that's how much value the nintendo brands games have right now. Nobody would want to play playstation/xbox games on a phone or tablet but nintendo games would work fine they already making great games on touchscreen handhelds. Soon they are going to make a lot more money with software and toys than they would from console hardware they just slowly moving to it.

Also the ps4/xb1 aren't good with kids while nintendo is good with kids look at the 3DS/DS kids actually play those. They could make something like NES or Gameboy which was very fun to play for kids unlike the crap ps4/xb1 which are boring and slow sluggish PC's and just make a real console again that kids like.

Or Nintendo could go retro just re-release a retro NES and a retro gameboy look at all the hipsters right now that would line up to buy it just to play tetris / mario 1 and stuff again and show their kids it. People are sick of ps4/xb1/pc any updates nobody wants really. Make collectible nintendo stuff. People liked arcade type games much better than games like evolve or whatever is coming to the ps4/xb1 yuck.

License out Zelda to Netflix for a new Zelda Anime, who wouldn't wanna see a netflix anime with Zelda. Or let Peter Jackson and Disney make a zelda movie.

There sitting on all these big stuff putting out stuff like the WiiU makes no sense to me.

I think they would focus more on handhelds which they rarely get wrong.

I recently had a look at their net worth and profits, and surprisingly, the company did not lose much money during the Wii U generation. I'm not saying the Wii U specifically was profitable (their profits came from other sources, such as 3DS, merchandise, exchange rate, etc.). But they still didn't lose that much money during their most unsuccessful console. So I doubt the company would make any extreme decisions like pulling out the console market, since they have enough money on their side. They can afford to have failing consoles before deciding to completely pull out.

Reference:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/216625/net-income-of-nintendo-since-2008/

Between 2012 and 2015, they only lost a total of 328 million dollars. Considering that the company has many billions (hard to estimate, but Forbes has their net worth at 22 billion), losing 328 million dollars over a period of 3 years is really a drop in the bucket.

So I think they'll stick with consoles for at least a couple more generations before deciding whether it's worth the pursuit.

They could just make a console that focused on buying amiibos and they would still make a profit.

When consoles become PC's it makes zero sense for devs to pay royalty fees or have costly dev kits. Nintendo can totally head in that direction given that they do not rely on third party support at all, unlike their competition.

Uh oh. Did I just reveal a never before mentioned something that could devastate MS/Sony? Oops.

Nintendo has a huge amount of money in the bank, and many of the best-selling IPs in the entire industry. The dedicated handheld market, while fading, is entirely theirs. Even a failure like the WiiU generates software revenue that Sony and Microsoft can only dream of.

So...no, Nintendo can endure quite a few more failures before they'll be driven out of the hardware market.

Also, if Nintendo *does* drop out of the console market...that's it. Consoles will wither and die. The PS4 and Xbox One are terrible enough as it is - imagine how they'll be without any competition.

I don't think they'll "bow out." People overestimate how badly the Wii U has been doing--it still has a fairly strongish following among longtime gamers and still holds some significant appeal with the casual crowd. Not doing as well as the competition isn't the same thing as not doing well at all. What's more, Nintendo is still pretty much the sole dominating force in the handheld world--the PlayStation Vita is its only real competition and it's practically being ignored now, even by Sony. The NX is purported to be an attempt to combine handheld and console gaming, which is a smart play, especially for a Japanese company: mobile and handheld gaming is pretty popular over there due to their commute-heavy, not-as-many-televisions-per-house culture. That was probably a significant factor in their decision to make a console that had a screen on the controller.

The real question is whether or not the NX will place them on the technical cutting edge again, and whether or not that would bite them in the butts if they do fail to grab a strong following with that console. Part of the reason the Wii was so lucrative was that the console itself sold at a profit, as opposed to the PS3 and Xbox 360 both selling at a loss (under the assumption that game profits would cover the difference). I'm actually not sure whether the same holds true of the Wii U, although I'd guess at no, considering the hideously expensive GamePad is a part of the package.

When I replied to this thread, I did not realize that Notafanboy's thread was already locked.

Competition for PS4 and XB1? The Wii-U was never competitive with them. It's sales were almost dead by the time PS4 and XB1 launched. We'll see if the NX can be good competition. I'm sure that at it's it's launch it will possibly be the #1 console no matter what (or at least i would hope so for Nintendo's sake).

They don't have THAT much money. $10 Billion (if they still have a full $10 Billion) doesn't last forever. Remember, it generally costs billions to do R&D and to launch a console broadly, and that money isn't there so Nintendo can just "blow it" on whatever fruitless endeavors they come up with. That money belongs to shareholders, not to Nintendo fans. If NX fails, shareholders might demand changes, and would want that money returned to them in the form of a special dividend - rather than blown on investing in a new console. I wouldn't say that NX is "do or die" for them in the console space, but it's pretty damned close - if it fails on Wii-U proportions, then Nintendo will have some serious choices to make about the direction of the company. Of course even it's a modest success, say 30 Million or 50 Million consoles, that would probably lock Nintendo in for another generation.

Nah they will keep put out gimmicky controls platforms and sell toys

When it fails they'll go to mobile

We have already seen that they put all their effort into mobile, why is anyone wondering what direction they're taking?

If the NX is unsuccessful, do you think Nintendo will bow out?

Never !

They would just make games for PS4/XB1 and mobile devices and probably make shitloads of money.

@Jaysonguy: PLEASE.... show us the loads of amount of effort that Nintendo have putten in, i just thought they created a different entity for mobile and still have all their usual 1st party developers doing their usual thing which is currently dropping the WiiU like it was Aids infested Cat and moving upon to the NX and not putting all their effort into mobile gaming.

Overall : You still talk nonsense.

@Quicksilver128:

Yea but brand new Nintendo games barely comes out.

I think they will bow out of console hardware, but will continue to release mobile gaming platforms and otherwise go purely software. I don't think the company is going to stick out another Wii U experience in the console market

They will big time. They wont handle another wii U.

I've said it many times and I'll say it again: Nintendo would be better off bowing out... of the industry

Would many in the gaming community really feel that depressed if Nintendo went and bowed out of the industry or went bankrupt? Because like any other long lasting thing in this industry, too many have argued that Nintendo has lost it, but yet, I see a lot of comments that still want to see them around, and not with with their hardware included.

At this point, I'm seeing Nintendo's modern reception not unlike The Simpsons' modern reception: Once loved, but have recent outings get widely criticized to the point of disliking what you once loved, but yet complain when Fox will no longer make DVD's of that same show you once love.

@nintendoboy16: The Simpson's DVD thing is totally different, Aside from the fact that he show is pushing 30 seasons (and that is a helluva lot of seasons for even insane Simpson's fanboys to accumulate on disc) it's the physical media format that is dead. Not that many people buy TV shows on DVD anymore, and Fox particularly pulled the plug on the Simpsons because they wanted to promote Simpsonsworld instead... yeah... a subscription streaming service just for the Simpsons.

Besides that point, Fox has pulled back from releasing many TV shows on DVD and blu-ray due to poor sales of the physical discs, it's not just the Simpsons.

Way to miss the point.