If the Wii is a gimmick, then the PS3 and 360 are simple upgrades

Really, man. I can't believe some are calling the Wii a gimmick. It's as if the PS3 and 360 are reforming gaming, right? Why is the Wii a gimmick? Because of the Wiimote? Right. That's why Sony took a clue and made the Sixaxis.

People will come up with anything to bash a console that's kicking arse.

It's too different, as far as I'm concerned. It's a sidestep not a step forward in gaming.SolidSnake35

so the only step forward in gaming is just improving the graphics, AI, physics??? when all those are already LIKE REAL then its already DEAD END. 

It's too different, as far as I'm concerned. It's a sidestep not a step forward in gaming.SolidSnake35

It's easy to say that when you've been gaming for so long and are used to a NES style controller, but I think that it works well with Nintendo's overall goal of expanding the industry.

Which in turn is good for us, because a larger industry means more games. Perhaps Interplay would not have gone out of buisness if the consumer base was larger.

*is still mourning the loss of Black Isle* 

Those are all partially true.

It's too different, as far as I'm concerned. It's a sidestep not a step forward in gaming.SolidSnake35

Actually, it's the next logical progression. Video games have required more and more precision as time moved on, and the logical progression is one wherein you get more and more precise. The d-pad was logical progression because you only needed eight compass directions (I'm counting combo's like southeast and northwest). The analog stick was logical because 3 dimensional movement requires a finesse that d-pads lacked. Motion sensing is the next logical progression because it allows a much more precise control over your world, and it brings video games closer to us by giving it a small personal touch.

Jeez, you got to get out of 2006, I havn't heard anybody call wii a gimick for a while now.deangallop

It's too different, as far as I'm concerned. It's a sidestep not a step forward in gaming.SolidSnake35

PS2 -> PS3

Huge jump. 

[QUOTE="deangallop"]Jeez, you got to get out of 2006, I havn't heard anybody call wii a gimick for a while now.Pangster007

Link???

Seriously I have not seen wii being called a gimmick in a long time.

PS2 -> PS3

Huge jump.

NobuoMusicMaker

huge jump only in graphics, physics, power and AI.??? why do you think they have added SIXAXIS if its not really important?? Graphics and power are not the only important aspects in improving upon but also the controls.

The Wiimote has done nothing to enchance gameplay and provide a deeper experience. So far all we've seen is broad swipes and waggle junk that amounts to nothing but a fun gimmick. Unless some games come out that don't have retard simple controls and depth of gameplay is somehow enchanced by it, the Wiimote is just a cheap gimmick that people will tire of.... I mean people are trading the thing in already.

PS3 and 360 provide the hardware for next gen experience through physics AI, scale of the game, interactivity with the environment, online multiplayer, AND the PS3 has motion control.... and wait till some games designed to use it from the beginning come out before saying it's crap. The Wii lacks any significant graphical increase and a $250 system could've easily used low end modern parts instead of overclocked ancient Gamecube hardware.

But yeah 360 really is a simple visual upgrade to keep up with PC ports. Aside from XBL improvements it's exactly the same as Xbox but lacks of standard HDDs and has expensive proprietary everything else. PS3 has a major hardware change, includes a new format, stardard generic HDDs, generic memory cards, support for generic devices. Sony is trying to make an all in one game platform/open platform living room computer to sell you media content on...... while MS is trying to exploit you with overpriced accessories and nickel and diming marketplace.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

PS2 -> PS3

Huge jump.

lordlors

huge jump only in graphics, physics, power and AI.??? why do you think they have added SIXAXIS if its not really important?? Graphics and power are not the only important aspects in improving upon but also the controls.

Jeez, you got to get out of 2006, I havn't heard anybody call wii a gimick for a while now.deangallop

 The Wii is a gimick party console.

The Wiimote has done nothing to enchance gameplay and provide a deeper experience. So far all we've seen is broad swipes and waggle junk that amounts to nothing but a fun gimmick. Unless some games come out that don't have retard simple controls and depth of gameplay is somehow enchanced by it, the Wiimote is just a cheap gimmick that people will tire of.... I mean people are trading the thing in already.

Lazy_Boy88

Do you get the concept of a "gimmick"?

It's something that is uses to set itself apart from the rest.

If that's not the Wii, than I don't know what is. 

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]

The Wiimote has done nothing to enchance gameplay and provide a deeper experience. So far all we've seen is broad swipes and waggle junk that amounts to nothing but a fun gimmick. Unless some games come out that don't have retard simple controls and depth of gameplay is somehow enchanced by it, the Wiimote is just a cheap gimmick that people will tire of.... I mean people are trading the thing in already.

magus-21

My friend is selling his Wii for $450 include Zelda TP if anyone is interested.

Why are the majority of wii games party, or puzzle games? Seems like those are the genres that utilizes gimmicky controls most. Mabye I'll change my mind when some decent games come for other genres, but right now the wii seems like a gimmick.agentfred

[QUOTE="agentfred"]Why are the majority of wii games party, or puzzle games? Seems like those are the genres that utilizes gimmicky controls most. Mabye I'll change my mind when some decent games come for other genres, but right now the wii seems like a gimmick.magus-21

Did people talk about this when the N64 and its analog controller came out? When I first picked up the controller I thought it was weird in comparison to the D-Pad of the Super Nintendo and to tell the truth I didn't really like it until I played the system for about an hour until I got used to it. 

That was new and different(At least for me. I don't know what systems before it had analog. And no the dualshock playstation controllers came after) and so is the Wiimote. Nintendo could be on to something here. For all we know the big thing next gen could be every system uses a similar style of motion sensing.

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="agentfred"]Why are the majority of wii games party, or puzzle games? Seems like those are the genres that utilizes gimmicky controls most. Mabye I'll change my mind when some decent games come for other genres, but right now the wii seems like a gimmick.agentfred

patience my friend. there are a lot of UPCOMING games for the wii that are traditional genres. FF:CC:CB, DQ, Fire Emblem, No More Heroes, and many more. 

[QUOTE="agentfred"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="agentfred"]Why are the majority of wii games party, or puzzle games? Seems like those are the genres that utilizes gimmicky controls most. Mabye I'll change my mind when some decent games come for other genres, but right now the wii seems like a gimmick.lordlors

patience my friend. there are a lot of UPCOMING games for the wii that are traditional genres. FF:CC:CB, DQ, Fire Emblem, No More Heroes, and many more.

We'll have to wait and see on those.  Early games in the fps genre haven't done so well.  red steel far cry?  lets see if mp3 can do a petter job. 

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="agentfred"]Why are the majority of wii games party, or puzzle games? Seems like those are the genres that utilizes gimmicky controls most. Mabye I'll change my mind when some decent games come for other genres, but right now the wii seems like a gimmick.agentfred

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[QUOTE="agentfred"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="agentfred"]Why are the majority of wii games party, or puzzle games? Seems like those are the genres that utilizes gimmicky controls most. Mabye I'll change my mind when some decent games come for other genres, but right now the wii seems like a gimmick.agentfred

patience my friend. there are a lot of UPCOMING games for the wii that are traditional genres. FF:CC:CB, DQ, Fire Emblem, No More Heroes, and many more.

We'll have to wait and see on those. Early games in the fps genre haven't done so well. red steel far cry? lets see if mp3 can do a petter job.

Red Steel was an awesome idea but the devs was rushing it because its to be a Wii launch game and so it hasnt done well. Far Cry wasa bad port from ubisoft. Battalion Wars 2 is a good TPS i think

Why are the majority of wii games party, or puzzle games?  Seems like those are the genres that utilizes gimmicky controls most.  Mabye I'll change my mind when some decent games come for other genres, but right now the wii seems like a gimmick.agentfred

The Wii is a gimmick.. Get over it. It's fun to play but until they come up with some real compelling content to showcase it the term will be seen as a negative. The fact that it's a gimmick isn't neccessarily a bad thing, It's caught the attention of the mass market. Now lets see something other than it being used as a port box.heretrix

Yeah, maybe they'll make MP3.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

PS2 -> PS3

Huge jump.

magus-21

huge jump only in graphics, physics, power and AI.??? why do you think they have added SIXAXIS if its not really important?? Graphics and power are not the only important aspects in improving upon but also the controls.

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

PS2 -> PS3

Huge jump.

camzaman

huge jump only in graphics, physics, power and AI.??? why do you think they have added SIXAXIS if its not really important?? Graphics and power are not the only important aspects in improving upon but also the controls.

Exactly, the Wii can do as much as the others can. It just need it's developers to do it for it.

They can't right now because of the Wii's sudden success. They were making games for the PS3, and E3 2006 caught them by suprise.

how do you get yourself first into the Wii market? By making a port. Otherwise, if you do a REAL game first, then people have already taken your place as a leader.

Oh well. That's what the Wii gets for being so successfull.

Do you get the concept of a "gimmick"?

It's something that is uses to set itself apart from the rest.

 

If that's not the Wii, than I don't know what is. 

purplemidgets

PS2 -> PS3

Huge jump.

NobuoMusicMaker

yea in price tag  

[QUOTE="deangallop"]Jeez, you got to get out of 2006, I havn't heard anybody call wii a gimick for a while now.Pangster007

ye i was thinking that too. System Wars calls Wii a gimick all the time  

Neither console is truly moving forward toward the next gen... it's just Nintendo took one path and Sony and MS took the other

For those that think the Wii is a gimmick really underappreciate the importance of controls. It's how people interact with the game and if control stinks... the game stinks. We're already conquered and explored the limits of the gamepad and the next natural step is motion sensing...

And for those who downplay raw computing power and is not essential, are in denial. If it weren't then we'd all be content with Pong-style graphics with a Wiimote, or you'd be equally happy with a Wii fitted with a CD-player

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]It's too different, as far as I'm concerned. It's a sidestep not a step forward in gaming.lordlors

so the only step forward in gaming is just improving the graphics, AI, physics??? when all those are already LIKE REAL then its already DEAD END.

no, not really but anyway, what they mean by a sidestep iun gaming is vbecause the wii, in reality,since its about equal to the xbox in power (even though games dont look it yet) could have came last gen. SMG does look good however, it matches about conker's level and metroid riddick

Neither console is truly moving forward toward the next gen... it's just Nintendo took one path and Sony and MS took the other

For those that think the Wii is a gimmick really underappreciate the importance of controls. It's how people interact with the game and if control stinks... the game stinks. We're already conquered and explored the limits of the gamepad and the next natural step is motion sensing...

And for those who downplay raw computing power and is not essential, are in denial. If it weren't then we'd all be content with Pong-style graphics with a Wiimote, or you'd be equally happy with a Wii fitted with a CD-player

crunchy9178

no, we havent. Why havent devs used the analog stick for controls besides camera? ape escape started it and it worked out very well. Too Human will master it.

SPlinter Cell used vibration to pick locks, why havent other games used it at all?

RTSs are just starting to transition.

People were saying this in the ps1 days (the days of awful controls imo) 

The Wiimote has done nothing to enchance gameplay and provide a deeper experience. So far all we've seen is broad swipes and waggle junk that amounts to nothing but a fun gimmick. Unless some games come out that don't have retard simple controls and depth of gameplay is somehow enchanced by it, the Wiimote is just a cheap gimmick that people will tire of.... I mean people are trading the thing in already.

PS3 and 360 provide the hardware for next gen experience through physics AI, scale of the game, interactivity with the environment, online multiplayer, AND the PS3 has motion control.... and wait till some games designed to use it from the beginning come out before saying it's crap. The Wii lacks any significant graphical increase and a $250 system could've easily used low end modern parts instead of overclocked ancient Gamecube hardware.

But yeah 360 really is a simple visual upgrade to keep up with PC ports. Aside from XBL improvements it's exactly the same as Xbox but lacks of standard HDDs and has expensive proprietary everything else. PS3 has a major hardware change, includes a new format, stardard generic HDDs, generic memory cards, support for generic devices. Sony is trying to make an all in one game platform/open platform living room computer to sell you media content on...... while MS is trying to exploit you with overpriced accessories and nickel and diming marketplace.

Lazy_Boy88

come on... it's not 2006 anymore!!!! :lol:

[QUOTE="agentfred"]Why are the majority of wii games party, or puzzle games? Seems like those are the genres that utilizes gimmicky controls most. Mabye I'll change my mind when some decent games come for other genres, but right now the wii seems like a gimmick.carl2tan

PS2 -> PS3

Huge jump.

NobuoMusicMaker

yup, and ps2 was pretty much just a ps1 with better graphics, they actually put alot more into the ps3. and since the wii isn't a gimmick then ps3 and 360 arn't just simple upgrades.