If this is true, then MS is a slimy, lying, genius.

Here's the theory:

So according to this article, E74 is on the rise since the NXE update released in November.

Here's a chart of E-74 error occurrences.

Ok, here's a direct quote from Joystiq.com :

Alternately, a more sinister theory is making the rounds on forums that Microsoft has changed the diagnostics of the system to report the Red Ring of Death error as E74. This, however, seems unlikely as many in our poll are still reporting RROD failures post-NXE.

another quote:

So, why isolate the E74 error? While Red Ring of Death is covered under an extended three-year warranty, those who get the E74 later than 12 months and one day after their purchase are forced to pay more than $100 for a repair.

It's like there's a mass murderer out and about killing 33% of the population of 360town. Everyone is ****ing in their pants. Everyone moves out of 360town. No one wants to live in 360town anymore. That means no more newcomers to 360town. No one like 360town UNTIL the mass murderer is caught. But he's too elusive. He can't be rid of. So to get everyone happy in 360town and get some new comers to 360town, ya gotta pretend you caught him. Just get some random dude, frame him, call him E-74, everyone forgets about RROD, and all is dandy in 360town. Everyone is happy, and everyone's buying 360's again.

Lol at my metaphor.

Anyways, I think it's a great plan from MS. everyone thinks rrod is gone, but really is just has a new name. they basically just lowered warranty coverage from 3 years to one year. save some money pretend you got rid of rrod. you win. Genius imo.

If you think this is untture please state why.

Its plausible, I mean why would this problem suddenly spike when RRoD was mostly cured?

This youtube vid shows the e74 error is a similar problem, but is it the exact same problem?

LMFAO! MS never seize to amaze me. Slambo86

Very interesting....

But your chart says the E74 cases are only 3-4 and then spiked only to 15, which, I think, isn't anywhere close to the RRoD numbers? And your theory is true, why don't they just dress up every RRoD case as the E74 when they fix those models?

You're basing your information on an internet poll where the result could be skewered by idiot Sony fanboys. Get a clue OP.

If it is true man thats shady if its true.

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]LMFAO! MS never seize to amaze me. Tiefster

:shock:

MS already spent billions setting up the warranty for RROD to avoid lawsuits. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to open up their 360 and see if it's an identical problem, thus opening up MS once more to a slew of lawsuits it already shelled out big bucks to avoid.

I'd say a more likely explanation is the E74 problem is brought on by the NXE that dropped last fall. I know my 360 was working perfectly, but bricked with the E74 problemtwo days after downloading thenew system. It wouldn't surprise me in the least thatMS probably didn't do a thorough analysis of what the update would do to all the 360s.

This is one of the reasons i dont like to support MS.

Lying, cheating, BS:ing, taking short cuts to the top.

In the end youre going to get screwed by them pretty bad.

Thankfully my 360 hasn't RROD'd or E-74ed on me. But damn, MS really shipped out a console with major manufacturing defects.

They're gonna be in big trouble if they don't find a solution for this.

You're basing your information on an internet poll where the result could be skewered by idiot Sony fanboys. Get a clue OP.

bphan

This is one of the reasons i dont like to support MS.

Lying, cheating, BS:ing, taking short cuts to the top.

In the end youre going to get screwed by them pretty bad.

-Reggaeton-

This is one of the reasons i dont like to support MS.

Lying, cheating, BS:ing, taking short cuts to the top.

In the end youre going to get screwed by them pretty bad.

-Reggaeton-

So you support Sony because?

They've done as many underhanded deals as Microsoft and are just as arrogant.

This is an outrageous claim. According to MS,

"E74 is a general hardware error on Xbox 360 indicated by a single red flashing light in the Xbox Ring of Light and an error message visible on the television. This error is unrelated to the three flashing red lights error and there is not a single root cause." (from the linked article)

Where, "The three flashing red lights may indicate that there is a hardware problem with your Xbox 360 console."

Clearly two very different problems. :?

Another take

For crying out loud MS why can't you just make a healthy 360?

This is an outrageous claim. According to MS,

"E74 is a general hardware error on Xbox 360 indicated by a single red flashing light in the Xbox Ring of Light and an error message visible on the television. This error is unrelated to the three flashing red lights error and there is not a single root cause." (from the linked article)

Where, "The three flashing red lights may indicate that there is a hardware problem with your Xbox 360 console."

Clearly two very different problems. :?

Another take

asylumni

For crying out loud MS why can't you just make a healthy 360?

SpinoRaptor24

This is an outrageous claim. According to MS,

"E74 is a general hardware error on Xbox 360 indicated by a single red flashing light in the Xbox Ring of Light and an error message visible on the television. This error is unrelated to the three flashing red lights error and there is not a single root cause." (from the linked article)

Where, "The three flashing red lights may indicate that there is a hardware problem with your Xbox 360 console."

Clearly two very different problems. :?

Another take

asylumni

:shock:

deuce85

Lol, i knew someone was gonna post this.

Thankfully my 360 hasn't RROD'd or E-74ed on me. But damn, MS really shipped out a console with major manufacturing defects.

They're gonna be in big trouble if they don't find a solution for this.

fend_oblivion

they have a solution. don't do anything. they extended the warrenty and that's as far as it's gonna go. they're not gonna fix it and they're gonna hope that their next console doesn't do the same thing. we're about half way into this gen now. if they were gonna fix it they would have already. RRoD and E-74 will be around till the xbox 720.

Anyways, I think it's a great plan from MS. everyone thinks rrod is gone, but really is just has a new name. they basically just lowered warranty coverage from 3 years to one year. save some money pretend you got rid of rrod. you win. Genius imo.

If you think this is untture please state why.

Evolved_One

Nope... at least no one here thinks that, but hey!! it's M$, what else do you expect from them?? To care about ther fans?? lol

For crying out loud MS why can't you just make a healthy 360?

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

This is an outrageous claim. According to MS,

"E74 is a general hardware error on Xbox 360 indicated by a single red flashing light in the Xbox Ring of Light and an error message visible on the television. This error is unrelated to the three flashing red lights error and there is not a single root cause." (from the linked article)

Where, "The three flashing red lights may indicate that there is a hardware problem with your Xbox 360 console."

Clearly two very different problems. :?

Another take

Tiefster

:):D:lol: one of the funnier posts i've read in a while.

Hey at least we can all take this as a joke :P

[QUOTE="Evolved_One"]

Anyways, I think it's a great plan from MS. everyone thinks rrod is gone, but really is just has a new name. they basically just lowered warranty coverage from 3 years to one year. save some money pretend you got rid of rrod. you win. Genius imo.

If you think this is untture please state why.

GreenGoblin2099

Nope... at least no one here thinks that, but hey!! it's M$, what else do you expect from them?? To care about ther fans?? lol

Ha!

Nothing is too evil for the man (Bill Gates) Who supposedly won't let his kids have iPods.

As much as I don't like MS in the console business, I doubt it.

That poll, and a few people in this thread, reek of fail.

FAIL I tells ya.

It's really funny how quick some people are to accept this as fact.Cherokee_Jack

lol it's microsoft and the are the evillllzzzz... at the end of the day this theory seems to be born more out of convenience than anything else

That poll, and a few people in this thread, reek of fail.

FAIL I tells ya.

treedoor

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]It's really funny how quick some people are to accept this as fact.lundy86_4

lol it's microsoft and the are the evillllzzzz... at the end of the day this theory seems to be born more out of convenience than anything else

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]It's really funny how quick some people are to accept this as fact.lundy86_4

lol it's microsoft and the are the evillllzzzz... at the end of the day this theory seems to be born more out of convenience than anything else

You're basing your information on an internet poll where the result could be skewered by idiot Sony fanboys. Get a clue OP.

bphan

Oh, by the way, how can a corporation be "a genius"?

Oh, by the way, how can a corporation be "a genius"?

Cherokee_Jack

If the people running it have an IQ of 136 or above. Sadly, this is not true anymore.

even if this isn't true, its still really ****ed up that microsoft can't make a good piece of machinery. First faluty disc trays + Rrod and now this E-74 thing? I mean come on.. What will hit them next time? Sony also had/have alot of problems with their 60GB ps3 versions, but atleast they replaced them with the 40GB's and there's no problem no..

[QUOTE="fend_oblivion"]

Thankfully my 360 hasn't RROD'd or E-74ed on me. But damn, MS really shipped out a console with major manufacturing defects.

They're gonna be in big trouble if they don't find a solution for this.

enygma500

they have a solution. don't do anything. they extended the warrenty and that's as far as it's gonna go. they're not gonna fix it and they're gonna hope that their next console doesn't do the same thing. we're about half way into this gen now. if they were gonna fix it they would have already. RRoD and E-74 will be around till the xbox 720.

If that keeps up, rest assured people aren't going to be happy. Even the warrany is a joke, its not the consumers fault for getting faulty consoles. They should be fixing this for free at the least.

This is one of the reasons i dont like to support MS.

Lying, cheating, BS:ing, taking short cuts to the top.

In the end youre going to get screwed by them pretty bad.

[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

For crying out loud MS why can't you just make a healthy 360?

-Reggaeton-

I don't think it's true... my old 360 always got 1 red light (AKA E74) whenever I started it. If I left it on for maybe 20 seconds with this error still showing, then restarted it... it would befine. Almost as If it needed warmed up before it would work.

That 360 got the RROD eventually (just 2 weeks ago) but it was always displaying E74 since I got it back from repair the first time, I just never complained about it because it was still working... and I knew I would have to pay for it to be repaired again as it was out of warranty. The E74 and RROD might be similar, but in my case they seemed to be 2 different faults.

Why would mine display the RROD if it already had an E74 fault?

Here's the theory:

So according to this article, E74 is on the rise since the NXE update released in November.

Here's a chart of E-74 error occurrences.

Ok, here's a direct quote from Joystiq.com :

Alternately, a more sinister theory is making the rounds on forums that Microsoft has changed the diagnostics of the system to report the Red Ring of Death error as E74. This, however, seems unlikely as many in our poll are still reporting RROD failures post-NXE.

another quote:

So, why isolate the E74 error? While Red Ring of Death is covered under an extended three-year warranty, those who get the E74 later than 12 months and one day after their purchase are forced to pay more than $100 for a repair.

It's like there's a mass murderer out and about killing 33% of the population of 360town. Everyone is ****ing in their pants. Everyone moves out of 360town. No one wants to live in 360town anymore. That means no more newcomers to 360town. No one like 360town UNTIL the mass murderer is caught. But he's too elusive. He can't be rid of. So to get everyone happy in 360town and get some new comers to 360town, ya gotta pretend you caught him. Just get some random dude, frame him, call him E-74, everyone forgets about RROD, and all is dandy in 360town. Everyone is happy, and everyone's buying 360's again.

Lol at my metaphor.

Anyways, I think it's a great plan from MS. everyone thinks rrod is gone, but really is just has a new name. they basically just lowered warranty coverage from 3 years to one year. save some money pretend you got rid of rrod. you win. Genius imo.

If you think this is untture please state why.

MS already spent billions setting up the warranty for RROD to avoid lawsuits. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to open up their 360 and see if it's an identical problem, thus opening up MS once more to a slew of lawsuits it already shelled out big bucks to avoid.

it seems like the E74 problem occured when they released the NXE (New Xbox Experience) or should we say New Xbox Error. :P yeah I know, that was cheap, but I tried.MightyMuna

That was actually pretty good :P

Since I've received the RRoD after the NXE I'm inclined to disagree.