If you hate on KZ2 because of KZ1, here's why you're wrong

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#1 skirlnik
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Bash all you want - it doesn't hurt my feelings, my PS3 doesn't have feelings, and I'm just looking forward to seeing if the gameplay behind the (seemingly universally-admitted) great graphics turns out well.

Still, I see all kinds of people lol'ing at KZ2 hype on the basis that KZ1 "sucked." If you're one of those people, here's why you're wrong:

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Why does this constantly get ignored?

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#2 Unreal_393
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thats not a FPS.

the dev has yet to make a decent first person shooter.

you phail/thread

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#3 nikolajz1
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KZ Liberation wasn't an FPS but Ill admit KZ2 looks good.
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#4 skirlnik
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Cue the "ownage" posters.

The above point notwithstanding, the fact that they made a GS-based "great" game since KZ1 came out holds no clout here?

Not that I should be expecting logic to work in SW, I suppose. *sigh*

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#5 Gamersince81
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I fart on system wars.. Im buying KZ2 in three months... Oh teh graphics.. the mighty mighty graphics that is KZ2!!
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#6 Unreal_393
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Cue the "ownage" posters.

The above point notwithstanding, the fact that they made a GS-based "great" game since KZ1 came out holds no clout here?

Not that I should be expecting logic to work in SW, I suppose. *sigh*

skirlnik

logic? funny you mention that, google it next time before comparing a handheld tactical shooter to a First person shooter on a home console.

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#7 VoodooHak
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There's more history here other than the original Killzone.

There was also the massive hype behind a trailer.... a trailer that the fanboys were claiming to been real-time, but was later admitted to be fake.

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#8 haziqonfire
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Apparently the AI is still dumb as a pole, if so graphics mean nothing -- it still sucks.
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#9 skirlnik
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^^ and was later shown at E3 with nearly equal effects.

I'm still wondering why I posted this - you can't actually expect to change someone's perspective on here.

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#10 themagicbum9720
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stop caring about it.
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#11 VoodooHak
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And the first Killzone had the term "Halo-killer" attached to it. Even if it was labelled that way by the press, it's damage done.
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#12 skirlnik
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Where's you hear that, Haziq? I honestly want to know, please.
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#13 AskForDetails
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Bash all you want - it doesn't hurt my feelings, my PS3 doesn't have feelings, and I'm just looking forward to seeing if the gameplay behind the (seemingly universally-admitted) great graphics turns out well.

Still, I see all kinds of people lol'ing at KZ2 hype on the basis that KZ1 "sucked." If you're one of those people, here's why you're wrong:

Link

Why does this constantly get ignored?

skirlnik

there is a lot more but then again your dealign wiht lemmings...

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/news.html?sid=6177525

KILLZONE 2 HANDS ON WITH GAMESPOT

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#14 haziqonfire
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Where's you hear that, Haziq? I honestly want to know, please.skirlnik

why would i care about graphics if the AI is still a problem like from the first game, which i own.
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#15 krunkfu2
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good argument.

the handheld killzone is better than a console killzone so the console killzones will suck.

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#16 skirlnik
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You're not answering the topic at hand, Haziq; where did you here that the AI is "still" dumb as a post?
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#17 VendettaRed07
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honestly, how freaking hard is it to make a AA psp game? alot easier than a full fledged ps3 game i can tell you that much..
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#18 AskForDetails
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honestly, how freaking hard is it to make a AA psp game? alot easier than a full fledged ps3 game i can tell you that much.. VendettaRed07
well only 1/10th of the killzone 2 dev team made Killzone liberation in a few months, they made it to fill in the story plot holes
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#19 Heil68
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I'm looking forward to Kilzone2 and anxiously awaiting its release.
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#20 DeadMan1290
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[QUOTE="skirlnik"]

Cue the "ownage" posters.

The above point notwithstanding, the fact that they made a GS-based "great" game since KZ1 came out holds no clout here?

Not that I should be expecting logic to work in SW, I suppose. *sigh*

Unreal_393

logic? funny you mention that, google it next time before comparing a handheld tactical shooter to a First person shooter on a home console.

:lol: You're right!

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#21 Blackbond
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I guess Square Enix could make a great Final Fantasy FPS by that logic right?

Listen, I don't hate KZ2. Hell its impossible to like or hate it at this point. Why? Because we don't know anything details on the gameplay.

You can't say you hate it but you can use educated guesses on why it won't be the end all FPS like its being hyped. I mean seriously this is exactly what happened with KZ1 and people are making the same mistakes with KZ2. I don't understand why people just don't take the wait and see approach instead of doing exactly what they did in the past.

At least wait until solid gameplay information is let out. Things like....

Number of players online.

  1. Weapons.
  2. Vehicles
  3. Gameplay Types
  4. Online Modes
  5. Campaign features like Co-op
  6. ect
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#22 AskForDetails
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I guess Square Enix could make a great Final Fantasy FPS by that logic right?

Listen, I don't hate KZ2. Hell its impossible to like or hate it at this point. Why? Because we don't know anything details on the gameplay.

You can't say you hate it but you can use educated guesses on why it won't be the end all FPS like its being hyped. I mean seriously this is exactly what happened with KZ1 and people are making the same mistakes with KZ2. I don't understand why people just don't take the wait and see approach instead of doing exactly what they did in the past.

At least wait until solid gameplay information is let out. Things like....

Number of players online.

  1. Weapons.
  2. Vehicles
  3. Gameplay Types
  4. Online Modes
  5. Campaign features like Co-op
  6. ect

Blackbond

you knwo info on the gameplay, only key thing about killzone 2 we dont knwo is the multiplayer, which is supposed to be huge, but that we will have to wait on, how the F*** do people hype games otherwise? lol but i guess killzone 2 is a special case when it comes to lemmings

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#23 Mordred19
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I guess Square Enix could make a great Final Fantasy FPS by that logic right?

Listen, I don't hate KZ2. Hell its impossible to like or hate it at this point. Why? Because we don't know anything details on the gameplay.

You can't say you hate it but you can use educated guesses on why it won't be the end all FPS like its being hyped. I mean seriously this is exactly what happened with KZ1 and people are making the same mistakes with KZ2. I don't understand why people just don't take the wait and see approach instead of doing exactly what they did in the past.

At least wait until solid gameplay information is let out. Things like....

Number of players online.

  1. Weapons.
  2. Vehicles
  3. Gameplay Types
  4. Online Modes
  5. Campaign features like Co-op
  6. ect

Blackbond

but wait a second Blackbond, who is actually hyping it as the end all FPS? :? I haven't seen that hype in an amount that is worthy of attention. Such hype is most likely from fanboys and extremists, who should not be fed with reference to their beliefs. As far as I know, KZ2 is being hyped by pro-killzoners as an improvement over the original and a solid game.

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#24 Holden1985
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what is there to hate or hype no one knows much about the game,There was the fake cgi trailer that was hyped and then one realtime level that looked nowhere near as good as what was hyped has been shown.

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#25 Verge_6
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*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.
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#26 AskForDetails
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*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.Verge_6
but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight
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#27 AskForDetails
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*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.Verge_6
but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight
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#28 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.AskForDetails
but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight

....:lol: Oh my freaking God. You don't even know about the 9-page exclusive in GI, do you?

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#29 Bread_or_Decide
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I get so tired of repeating myself around here.

Its not the same team that made KZ that's working on KZ2. Bigger budget. More time. More money. Different team. And KZ Liberation is a good omen that the franchise can indeed bring forth the fun.

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#30 sam280992
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.AskForDetails
but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight

Ouch... self-owned...you should leave gamespot for a week or two, trust me.

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#31 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.Verge_6

but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight

....:lol: Oh my freaking God. You don't even know about the 9-page exclusive in GI, do you?

you dont knwo about the 30 page dev book on killzone 2 or all the tech vids, or anythign else ether?
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#32 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.sam280992

but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight

Ouch... self-owned...you should leave gamespot for a week or two, trust me.

where is the self ownage?
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[QUOTE="sam280992"]

[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.JAMES_L_BROOKS

but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight

Ouch... self-owned...you should leave gamespot for a week or two, trust me.

where is the self ownage?



Alt account FTL, u're defending yourself now with the other account :lol: how sad..
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.JAMES_L_BROOKS

but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight

....:lol: Oh my freaking God. You don't even know about the 9-page exclusive in GI, do you?

you dont knwo about the 30 page dev book on killzone 2 or all the tech vids, or anythign else ether?

Tech implies graphics, what do you know about KZ2 other then the graphics engine its using
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#35 Private_Vegas
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I don't hate KZ2. I hope it does well, but I am skeptical. Aside from a tidal wave of screens showcasing the games "Holy S*** Awesome Lighting Engine" I havn't seen much of KZ2. I'm hoping the Devs arn't gonna rely on good visuals to sell a broken game. Come on Guerrilla! Give us some substance to back up all that flash!
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#37 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.Rougehunter

but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight

....:lol: Oh my freaking God. You don't even know about the 9-page exclusive in GI, do you?

you dont knwo about the 30 page dev book on killzone 2 or all the tech vids, or anythign else ether?

Tech implies graphics, what do you know about KZ2 other then the graphics engine its using

AI is graphics? 1st person cover system is graphics? destrucatble enviorments are graphics? hmm
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#38 MunkeySpunk69
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so you think it will get an 8? c'mon man you have to give us some credit, history repeats itself so another console Killzone perks our suck radar
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#39 rolo107
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That doesn't make KZ1 better, it's almost as if you are implying that. And it wasn't an FPS as far as I can tell.... /thraed
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#40 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]*sigh* Cows should be giving this hype to Resistance 2. THAT looks like an awesome game. Instead, they throw themselves at the feet of some obscure sequel to one of the most disappointing games of all time.JAMES_L_BROOKS

but you knwo nothing of Reststance 2 how can you hype it? we knwo more about killzone 2 than resistance 2, wtf is wrong with lemmings cant get there arguments straight

....:lol: Oh my freaking God. You don't even know about the 9-page exclusive in GI, do you?

you dont knwo about the 30 page dev book on killzone 2 or all the tech vids, or anythign else ether?

All the ones that scream about the graphics? By the way, if you want to dodge a suspension, it's best to wait a bit after your other accounts gets canned.

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#41 sarmini
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I love the first Killzone, and I still play it so Ill definatly pick up the second.

Edit- Why make a thread about this? It just seems pointless.