If you look at the history of the xbox brand from the begining

I really believe this picture says it all.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] I really believe this picture says it all.THEKING1337

[QUOTE="THEKING1337"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] I really believe this picture says it all.Dualshockin

It got beat by the new king of controllers.

The Xbox 360 controller

[QUOTE="THEKING1337"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] I really believe this picture says it all.Dualshockin

Please, your opinion isn't fact.

It got beat by the new king of controllers.The Xbox 360 controllerYellow_Rose

Please, your opinion isn't fact.terry_tate

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]It got beat by the new king of controllers.The Xbox 360 controllerDualshockin

no the 360 controler is uch more confrotable and the dual shock isnt.

i hate the lightness and it also looks ugly.

Dualshock has too much buttons IMO. It tells me to press L2 then I press R1, and then realize that was stupid and press R2, which is more stupid... And then I realize L was suppose to be left : Too many shoulder buttons!!! And it took me 2 months to realize what L3 was.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]It got beat by the new king of controllers.The Xbox 360 controllerIloverouge

no the 360 controler is uch more confrotable and the dual shock isnt.

i hate the lightness and it also looks ugly.

How about improving the 3-red lights, Microsoft?TrueReligion_

How about improving the lackluster games, Sony?

THIS:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/292&cl=gb,en

Is the greatest controller of our time :P

Dualshock has too much buttons IMO. It tells me to press L2 then I press R1, and then realize that was stupid and press R2, which is more stupid... And then I realize L was suppose to be left : Too many shoulder buttons!!! And it took me 2 months to realize what L3 was.

Eponique

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Dualshock has too much buttons IMO. It tells me to press L2 then I press R1, and then realize that was stupid and press R2, which is more stupid... And then I realize L was suppose to be left : Too many shoulder buttons!!! And it took me 2 months to realize what L3 was.

mighty_shark

Makes perfect Sense? L / R dont mean shoulders ... it means the side of the controller.

[QUOTE="mighty_shark"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Dualshock has too much buttons IMO. It tells me to press L2 then I press R1, and then realize that was stupid and press R2, which is more stupid... And then I realize L was suppose to be left : Too many shoulder buttons!!! And it took me 2 months to realize what L3 was.

Meu2k7

Makes perfect Sense? L / R dont mean shoulders ... it means the side of the controller.

Dualshock has too much buttons IMO. It tells me to press L2 then I press R1, and then realize that was stupid and press R2, which is more stupid... And then I realize L was suppose to be left : Too many shoulder buttons!!! And it took me 2 months to realize what L3 was.

Eponique

wow is all I have to say...

PS... Never try PC games.

Yeah they were about value with the Xbox but now they're just about syphoning money from you. 360s are junk unreliable hardware. XBL fees. Microtransactions for all content. Expensive proprietary add-ons. Really the things last gen lemmings dissed PS2 for (cows got "milked" for add-ons and new iterations) are COMPLETELY REVERSED this generation with PS3 being the most powerful all in one system. It's all about game preference but you lemmings are totally hypocritical about the hardware aspect.Lazy_Boy88

you nailed it

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Dualshock has too much buttons IMO. It tells me to press L2 then I press R1, and then realize that was stupid and press R2, which is more stupid... And then I realize L was suppose to be left : Too many shoulder buttons!!! And it took me 2 months to realize what L3 was.

tag_001

wow is all I have to say...

PS... Never try PC games.

I'm a Shermit ^^

[QUOTE="tag_001"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Dualshock has too much buttons IMO. It tells me to press L2 then I press R1, and then realize that was stupid and press R2, which is more stupid... And then I realize L was suppose to be left : Too many shoulder buttons!!! And it took me 2 months to realize what L3 was.

Eponique

wow is all I have to say...

PS... Never try PC games.

I'm a Shermit ^^

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="tag_001"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Dualshock has too much buttons IMO. It tells me to press L2 then I press R1, and then realize that was stupid and press R2, which is more stupid... And then I realize L was suppose to be left : Too many shoulder buttons!!! And it took me 2 months to realize what L3 was.

Dualshockin

wow is all I have to say...

PS... Never try PC games.

I'm a Shermit ^^

I'm thankful there isn't a W2 though... That's just reall annoying.

And where exactly did I state it is a fact?Dualshockin

You: "What's wrong with the greatest gaming controller of all time?"

Right there. :|

Yeah they were about value with the Xbox but now they're just about syphoning money from you. 360s are junk unreliable hardware. XBL fees. Microtransactions for all content. Expensive proprietary add-ons. Really the things last gen lemmings dissed PS2 for (cows got "milked" for add-ons and new iterations) are COMPLETELY REVERSED this generation with PS3 being the most powerful all in one system. It's all about game preference but you lemmings are totally hypocritical about the hardware aspect.Lazy_Boy88

Cows also claimed graphics were nothing; now they're everything. :| Also, it's rediculous (laughable even) to hear any sony fanboy say anything about hardware issues when the PS2 was faulty to the point of a class action lawsuit FORCING sony to replace, repair and recall a vast number of units. When the problem with the 360 hits that stage, claim ownage by all means. But even then, it's only on par with your own console of choice.

Yeah they were about value with the Xbox but now they're just about syphoning money from you. 360s are junk unreliable hardware. XBL fees. Microtransactions for all content. Expensive proprietary add-ons. Really the things last gen lemmings dissed PS2 for (cows got "milked" for add-ons and new iterations) are COMPLETELY REVERSED this generation with PS3 being the most powerful all in one system. It's all about game preference but you lemmings are totally hypocritical about the hardware aspect.Lazy_Boy88

I disagree with a lot of things you say--your unjustified bias is too strong in my opinion--but you are SO ON THE MONEY with everything you've said here. The situation from last-gen is completely reversed, with the "best dollar value" going to Sony this time, and the lower-end, unreliable hardware going to MS this time. There's even a reversal of with the tiny library compared to the larger library. It isn't clear-cut with the online gaming situation, because some people really do favor XBL and don't care about its fees, and more importantly, both systems have good online service. But otherwise, it's a mirror of the last generation, to a degree that's pretty weird if you think about it.

Still, once again, you show your bias. How can you accuse MS fans of being hypocritical about the new situation (where all their arguments are made from the same side of the fence they opposed last time around), and fail to mention how Sony fans are doing exactly the same thing? Because they are equally hypocritical, and you know they are.

[QUOTE="terry_tate"]Please, your opinion isn't fact.Dualshockin

"What's wrong with the greatest gaming controller of all time?" was your exact quote. So you just decided to leave out the "IMO" for fun I'm guessing?:|

I really believe this picture says it all.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] I really believe this picture says it all.TNT_Slug

You should probably read a thread before you post. Lest you look silly and bring up something which has already been debunked.

How about improving the 3-red lights, Microsoft?TrueReligion_

You must have missed this story. M$ is already working on getting it resolved. It's all about the games anyways. The hardware is just the key to unlocking incredible games for us to play.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16501

[QUOTE="TNT_Slug"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] I really believe this picture says it all.Ninja-Vox

You should probably read a thread before you post. Lest you look silly and bring up something which has already been debunked.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="terry_tate"]Please, your opinion isn't fact.dgroundwater

"What's wrong with the greatest gaming controller of all time?" was your exact quote. So you just decided to leave out the "IMO" for fun I'm guessing?:|

He doesn't have to say "imo." He is stating it so it should be implied that it's his opinion.

I honestly find it hard to believe a Pc gamer finds the Dualshock to have too many buttons,i'm also quite the Pc gamer myself and I have found it near impossible to enjoy each PC game due to the presence of so many buttons each with a unique function.Dualshockin

Console controls never have enough buttons. That's why PC wins most of the time. PS3 controller is the one with the most inputs now since they added motion sensing, another input.

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]How about improving the 3-red lights, Microsoft?blackace

You must have missed this story. M$ is already working on getting it resolved. It's all about the games anyways. The hardware is just the key to unlocking incredible games for us to play.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16501

Unlocking the secrets of your wallet to MS with RLoD.

When was the argument "debunked"? All I saw was some silly damage control. Fact: damage controlling doesn't make the problem go away.TNT_Slug

Simple arguement: the PS2 was faulty to the point of a class-action lawsuit. It is therefore massively hypocritical to criticise another product's build quality when the faults with it haven't reach the same level of your own, which this time a few years ago cows were defending as no big deal. If a WORSE problem was no big deal to you, you cant suddenly make a lesser problem with the 360 an epic failing.

Simple.

[QUOTE="TNT_Slug"]

When was the argument "debunked"? All I saw was some silly damage control. Fact: damage controlling doesn't make the problem go away.Ninja-Vox

Simple arguement: the PS2 was faulty to the point of a class-action lawsuit. It is therefore massively hypocritical to criticise another product's build quality when the faults with it haven't reach the same level of your own, which this time a few years ago cows were defending as no big deal. If a WORSE problem was no big deal to you, you cant suddenly make a lesser problem with the 360 an epic failing.

Simple.

so now that both companies have gone through the bad hardware phase, (assuming MS is admitting the problem to themselves) it will probably be the next-next gen when we have two competing consoles that are reliable.

so now that both companies have gone through the bad hardware phase, (assuming MS is admitting the problem to themselves) it will probably be the next-next gen when we have two competing consoles that are reliable.

Mordred19

Ugh, let's pray MS designs the 360 Slimline with thermal dissipation their top priority.

The greatest controller of all time.Hot_Potato

Amen brother

[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]The greatest controller of all time.kman3002

Amen brother

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]How about improving the 3-red lights, Microsoft?PS3_3DO

How about improving the lackluster games, Sony?

pc has both

I really believe this picture says it all.Dualshockin

LOL YES HAHAHA true say

you will see that it is a series of constant value improvment,from the launch of the xbox with the HUGE ugly controller AND the ugly xbox itself(I bought one at launch) that got upraded to the controller s then xbox live came out+ ea joins xbox live+friends list andclan features for Halo 2-then you got the 360 which at the time it came out was seriously next gen with triple core 3.2 ghz....It made sony lie there arse off at E3 05(and the press fell for it-yes even Gamespot) now we got the elite already with 120gb hdd-and they didt need to fix the controller cause it is already the best-bianual system updates that are always improving....heck yeah. EAT IT.THEKING1337

Soooo..... the xbox brand puts out crappy stuff first, then re-releases the better stuff later on so the people who want to enjoy it to it's fullest have to buy more?

[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]The greatest controller of all time.kman3002

Amen brother

Double amen to that one. Especially when you consider that you can plug an xbox 360 controller into your PC and program it to work with every single game you own if you really cant stand the keyboard for say, a racing game.

why is this on system wars??

no one cares about the history of the xbox

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Yeah they were about value with the Xbox but now they're just about syphoning money from you. 360s are junk unreliable hardware. XBL fees. Microtransactions for all content. Expensive proprietary add-ons. Really the things last gen lemmings dissed PS2 for (cows got "milked" for add-ons and new iterations) are COMPLETELY REVERSED this generation with PS3 being the most powerful all in one system. It's all about game preference but you lemmings are totally hypocritical about the hardware aspect.WeeWeeJumbo

I disagree with a lot of things you say--your unjustified bias is too strong in my opinion--but you are SO ON THE MONEY with everything you've said here. The situation from last-gen is completely reversed, with the "best dollar value" going to Sony this time, and the lower-end, unreliable hardware going to MS this time. There's even a reversal of with the tiny library compared to the larger library. It isn't clear-cut with the online gaming situation, because some people really do favor XBL and don't care about its fees, and more importantly, both systems have good online service. But otherwise, it's a mirror of the last generation, to a degree that's pretty weird if you think about it.

Still, once again, you show your bias. How can you accuse MS fans of being hypocritical about the new situation (where all their arguments are made from the same side of the fence they opposed last time around), and fail to mention how Sony fans are doing exactly the same thing? Because they are equally hypocritical, and you know they are.

compliment and ownage in the same post?

*head explodes*

why is this on system wars??

no one cares about the history of the xbox

mattyomo99